brightfame52
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We went over that and you don't listen as usual
What's Wrong with Calvinism?
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Don't be deceptive.
Your theology has people who do not believe then made alive
Major issue. Your theology has unbelievers made alive.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
John 3:18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.
Mark 16:16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.
John 8:24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”
1 John 5:12 The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
1 John 5:10–13 (The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. The one who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning his Son.) And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.
brightfame52
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That's you
Admit the truth
Your theology has people who do not believe then are made alive
Major issue. Your theology has unbelievers made alive.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
John 3:18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.
Mark 16:16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.
John 8:24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”
1 John 5:12 The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
1 John 5:10–13 (The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. The one who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning his Son.) And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.
brightfame52
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That's all I have done
Your theology has people who do not believe then are made alive
Will you claim these are not your words
clearly you have claimed unbelievers can be made alive.
brightfame52
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Yes a person becomes a believer following regeneration. That's the only way you stop being a unbeliever.
So your previous comment was not true
I noted
And you replied
"They won't we just went over that."
Now your current claim is contrary to scripture, and you affirm those who do not believe may be made alive
brightfame52
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Yes, those in Jn 3 36 that are under the wrath of God, are permanent unbelievers who Christ did not die for, so they never believe nor will see heaven. See by the wrath of God abiding on them, Christ never reconciled them to God by His Death Rom 5:10.
But unbelievers Christ died for are Justified, reconciled, regenerated and given faith to believe in Jesus. This is basic truth
Aeliana
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He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for "us all", how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?
Paul says that God gave his Son for “us all.” The consequence is salvation in the fullest sense, a salvation that can never be lost or taken away. Christ died for you, and no one can ever bring a charge against you before God, not even Satan. Since Christ died for you, nothing can separate you from the love of Christ.
See Romans chapter 8
Paul says that God gave his Son for “us all.” The consequence is salvation in the fullest sense, a salvation that can never be lost or taken away. Christ died for you, and no one can ever bring a charge against you before God, not even Satan. Since Christ died for you, nothing can separate you from the love of Christ.
See Romans chapter 8
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Scripture Indicate the Intent of the Atonement Was Universal
a) Christ Died for Sinners
Some passages clearly indicate that Christ came and died for all sinners—not for only an elect people chosen by God unconditionally:
Luke 5:32
“I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.”
Romans 5:6, 8
“For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. . . . But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”
1 Timothy 1:15
“It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all.”
Every instance in the New Testament where reference is made to sinners, they are characterized as (a) those living immorally or contrary to the (Mosaic) law (Matt 9:11; 11:19; Mark 2:16; Luke 5:30; 7:34); (b) those hostile to Jesus (Matt 26:45; Mark 14:41; Luke 24:7; Heb 12:3); (c) those who fail to worship God and do his will (John 9:31); (d) those for whom Christ died (Rom 5:8); (5) those who are separated from Christ (Heb 7:26). So, when Scripture indicates that Christ died for “sinners” this must be understood as Christ dying for all people because all people without exception, prior to being regenerated by God’s Spirit, are classified as sinners (Rom 3:23). Furthermore, the universal call to sinners to repentance mirrors the universal extent of the atonement: “I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance” (Luke 5:32). In short, the scope of those defined to be sinners is precisely the scope of those for whom he came to atone.
Paul’s describing himself as the foremost of sinners (1 Tim 1:15) does not invalidate what has been said above. “Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners epitomizes the cardinal fact of Christian truth. It points to the heart of the gospel. . . . Paul never got away from the fact that Christian salvation was intended for sinners, and the more he increased his grasp of the magnitude of God’s grace, the more he deepened the consciousness of his own naturally sinful state.”
Geoffrey D. Robinson
a) Christ Died for Sinners
Some passages clearly indicate that Christ came and died for all sinners—not for only an elect people chosen by God unconditionally:
Luke 5:32
“I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.”
Romans 5:6, 8
“For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. . . . But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”
1 Timothy 1:15
“It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all.”
Every instance in the New Testament where reference is made to sinners, they are characterized as (a) those living immorally or contrary to the (Mosaic) law (Matt 9:11; 11:19; Mark 2:16; Luke 5:30; 7:34); (b) those hostile to Jesus (Matt 26:45; Mark 14:41; Luke 24:7; Heb 12:3); (c) those who fail to worship God and do his will (John 9:31); (d) those for whom Christ died (Rom 5:8); (5) those who are separated from Christ (Heb 7:26). So, when Scripture indicates that Christ died for “sinners” this must be understood as Christ dying for all people because all people without exception, prior to being regenerated by God’s Spirit, are classified as sinners (Rom 3:23). Furthermore, the universal call to sinners to repentance mirrors the universal extent of the atonement: “I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance” (Luke 5:32). In short, the scope of those defined to be sinners is precisely the scope of those for whom he came to atone.
Paul’s describing himself as the foremost of sinners (1 Tim 1:15) does not invalidate what has been said above. “Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners epitomizes the cardinal fact of Christian truth. It points to the heart of the gospel. . . . Paul never got away from the fact that Christian salvation was intended for sinners, and the more he increased his grasp of the magnitude of God’s grace, the more he deepened the consciousness of his own naturally sinful state.”
Geoffrey D. Robinson
Not according to scripture which states those who do not believe do not see life
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
John 3:18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.
Mark 16:16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.
John 8:24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”
1 John 5:12 The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
1 John 5:10–13 (The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. The one who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning his Son.) And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.
Your basic truth is contrary to scripture
Scripture: Those who do not believe will not see life.
Your Theology: Those who do not believe may see life
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brightfame52
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The us all is the elect, it's in the context.
brightfame52
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That's the unbelievers under God's Wrath, Christ did not die for them.
Give it up
Your view is contrary to scripture.
Scripture: Those who do not believe will not see life.
Your Theology: Those who do not believe may see life.
brightfame52
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I'm giving you the truth
