What is the Purpose of Redemption?

[e v e]

I only take issue with this one statement. A creature is something or someone who is created. Mankind is created by God. I don't know in what way you are viewing "creature" that makes you the idea of a creature is a mistranslation or sorcery. It isn't a translation at all. It is what mankind is as having been created. There is nothing sinister or bad about that.

I agree He created all of reality and made it pretty,
but I don't agree this body and this earth are His creation...but resulted from the fall...

What I find is that the translation is NOT correct and the way it is phrased is a type of bullying
by esaus, done to make His Souls out to be animal creatures, to associate us with the nature upon this
corrupted earth.

 

[e v e]

Your children came out of you...
and His sons and daughters came out of Him.

(but not by procreation)....

so we are not creatures, but were made in His Image..
the creature translation is SO SO often used by esaus
to make fun of His poor souls for being in this
state, the flesh.

 

[e v e]

And that is verified in Augustine, btw, who really goes to town
with the concept of procreation. viewing females like cows.

If it is ugly, it is not from Him.

 

[e v e]

And it's really clear in the mormon 'religion', where the animal procreating
nature is really the apex of 'creation', and god powers, per its evil texts.

Adam had dominion over the animals (read: constructs, reality, the fallen angels and any other animals such as them.)
That was all flipped on its head when he betrayed God and became subject to their Evil.
We are all affected by that since what Adam did corrupted creation, even cosmologically.
God is not a helicopter parent - Adam corrupted reality just as surely as today idiots create three parent babies
or make men into fake females and call that good.

 

[e v e]

The tree of knowledge of good and evil was the situation of the evil realm,
the satanic angels... it was a mindset, a reality, and adam touched it and ate of its fruit
and went into it. Adam was no longer in Christ. Everything he did was according to that
good and evil tree from there on out.

 

[e v e]

I only take issue with this one statement. A creature is something or someone who is created. Mankind is created by God. I don't know in what way you are viewing "creature" that makes you the idea of a creature is a mistranslation or sorcery. It isn't a translation at all. It is what mankind is as having been created. There is nothing sinister or bad about that.

I guess we will disagree.

 

[e v e]

And this is why when Christ returns, and his sons and daughters are restored to His type of Gorgeous nature,
and our original glorious body, the fall will be undone and we will be saved (part II). Christ will take us Home.

And all of jacob left behind in trib, who did come from Him, and want Him,
and give their allegiance to Him, will be restored too after that, and return to His eden paradise which is our land.

 

[Arial]

And this is why when Christ returns, and his sons and daughters are restored to His type of Gorgeous nature,
and our original glorious body, the fall will be undone and we will be saved (part II). Christ will take us Home.

And all of jacob left behind in trib, who did come from Him, and want Him,
and give their allegiance to Him, will be restored too after that, and return to His eden paradise which is our land.

You are veering off topic. It is easy to do but distracting. If I were to respond the thread will go completely off the course of the core of redemption.

 

[e v e]

You are veering off topic. It is easy to do but distracting. If I were to respond the thread will go completely off the course of the core of redemption.

Actually, Going Home is our redemption, so for me,
I was right on topic!

 

[Arial]

Actually, Going Home is our redemption, so for me,
I was right on topic!

Everyone says that when they get told otherwise, but read the OP again and find the topic and conclusion. Then tell me what they are and discuss them. I look forward to it.

 

[e v e]

Everyone says that when they get told otherwise, but read the OP again and find the topic and conclusion. Then tell me what they are and discuss them. I look forward to it.

I have and I gave my response as to what He says.

 

[Arial]

I have and I gave my response as to what He says.

Yes. But you see, you say a number of things in your posts that I either don't understand or disagree with, and do veer away, and if I were to address them, it would completely take off in another direction. So my point is, I am unable to start a conversation with what you say, so it looks like I am not considering what you say. I am not getting on your case.

 

[e v e]

Yes. But you see, you say a number of things in your posts that I either don't understand or disagree with, and do veer away, and if I were to address them, it would completely take off in another direction. So my point is, I am unable to start a conversation with what you say, so it looks like I am not considering what you say. I am not getting on your case.

I do get it and I don't feel you are getting on my case.

I am not veering off at all...but it seems that way perhaps because you understand what the purpose of redemption is in another way.

I understand it as Returning to Eden Paradise and to our original Nature in His Creation when we meet Christ on the Clouds....

Being saved has a part II, which is going Home.

 

[civic]

I do get it and I don't feel you are getting on my case.

I am not veering off at all...but it seems that way perhaps because you understand what the purpose of redemption is in another way.

I understand it as Returning to Eden Paradise and to our original Nature in His Creation when we meet Christ on the Clouds....

Being saved has a part II, which is going Home.

As the old hymn goes this place is not our home we are just a passing through .

We are aliens , strangers, pilgrims 1 Peter 2:11

 

[e v e]

As the old hymn goes this place is not our home we are just a passing through .

We are aliens , strangers, pilgrims 1 Peter 2:11

such a strange inhospitable world this is for a soul.

 

[civic]

such a strange inhospitable world this is for a soul.

Yes fallen , evil , wicked , deceitful etc …., there is a ruler of this world . 2 Cor 4:4

 

[Arial]

I do get it and I don't feel you are getting on my case.

I am not veering off at all...but it seems that way perhaps because you understand what the purpose of redemption is in another way.

I understand it as Returning to Eden Paradise and to our original Nature in His Creation when we meet Christ on the Clouds....

Being saved has a part II, which is going Home.

No, I see it the same way though not returning to Eden but a whole new heaven and earth with no sin and no tempter, the tree of life and no tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

 

[e v e]

No, I see it the same way though not returning to Eden but a whole new heaven and earth with no sin and no tempter, the tree of life and no tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

what I understood is that
eden was desolated and will be made new...
restored ...
just a His souls will be restored

and the sons will rule with Christ.

restored eden paradise is the new earth mentioned in rev...

 

[e v e]

No, I see it the same way though not returning to Eden but a whole new heaven and earth with no sin and no tempter, the tree of life and no tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

and true no more will mystery-babylon
get to us ...

 

[e v e]

Yes fallen , evil , wicked , deceitful etc …., there is a ruler of this world . 2 Cor 4:4

I understand that as adam, who did not die,
and the 'lucifer' chapter in the OT also
being about him.