What is Oneness Theology ?

civic said:
You just proved my point by misrepresenting what we believe . Every reliable source classifies Christianity ( Trinity ) as one of the 3 major monotheistic world religions that affirm One God
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Every reliable source? Sure. Once you admit the destruction of words and accept contradictions, anything qualifies for anything.

You know I am all about the one God part.

It's the math error that I reject, 1=3.

I knew you were hoping to reach for the "got you" with your question. You want me to submit to authority YOU select. My authority is the Bible and the trinity is not in the Bible - not the word and not the concept. If you could admit that, then we'd be getting somewhere. If you could only admit that to accept as true the trinity, one must reject at every turn:
  1. Definitions
  2. Logic
  3. Language Usage
  4. Explicit Scripture.
Regarding 'every reliable source;' the Sh'ma, the most important commandment says God is 1. It does not say God is 3-in-1. Why don't you believe it?
 
101G said:
yes, and he is that Spirit in the ECHAD of First, and Last, listen, 2 Corinthians 3:17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." was he not Jesus in the OT? let's check the record. 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:" 1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."

WHERE WERE THE "SPIRIT?" ..... IN, IN, IN, THEM. THEM WHO? THE PROPHETS. it that not the Holy Spirit? let's check the record. the same apostle, 2 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." is not the Holy Spirit God, (John 4:24a).... Lol, lol, lol, B.A.M. BAM, BAM.

Oh this is too easy.

101G.
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Jesus said that God is a Spirit. Jesus did not say that he was God in flesh. You said that.
 
101G said:
did you not say, "24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." is not the Lord Jesus the TRUTH? or do you have two TRUTHS? B.A.M. BAM, BAM.

the TRUTH it's so close in his face until he cannot even see it. Oh dear.

PICJAG, 101G.
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Jesus said that God was inside his body. He did not say that he was the embodiment of God. You are a Roman Catholic convert.
 
101G said:
@Truther, let 101G take you by the Hand

Step #1. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" is not the Lord Jesus in Flesh the Helper, (see Luke 2:25)

Step #2. John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."
Even the Spirit of truth? STOP THE PRESS. now think who is the TRUTH? ..... think, it's not that hard to do.

Step #3. John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."
I, I, I, I, will not leave you comfortless. he just told you he is the COMFORTER, the Spirit of TRUTH, and he is the TRUTH. a blind man can see this.

PICJAG, 101G
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Don’t feel bad, I used to cherry pick scriptures like you, and ignore the multitudes of others. You’ll get over it.
 
Plural or singular?

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
 
Truther said:
Jesus said that God is a Spirit. Jesus did not say that he was God in flesh. You said that
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ERROR, in Flesh,YES. John 14:7 "If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him." John 14:8 "Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us." John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"

the Lord Jesus .... he said that.... (smile), LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh dear.

PICJAG, 101G.
 
Truther said:
Jesus said that God was inside his body. He did not say that he was the embodiment of God. You are a Roman Catholic convert.
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LOL, oh my, once again, John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"

B.A.M. BAM, BAM

PICJAG, 101G
 
101G said:
ERROR, in Flesh,YES. John 14:7 "If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him." John 14:8 "Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us." John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"

the Lord Jesus .... he said that.... (smile), LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh dear.

PICJAG, 101G.
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I noticed you stopped at the following verse. Jesus said the Father was inside him. He said the father was working through him. You ignored it completely. That is what we call cherry picking. A classic example of it. You gotta read the rest.
 
101G said:
LOL, oh my, once again, John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"

B.A.M. BAM, BAM

PICJAG, 101G
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This is going to break your heart, but the following verse says from Jesus himself, that the Father was inside him doing the work through him. Verse 26 says the Father is speaking through him. And all this time you thought Jesus was actually the Father. Because you cherry pick, that is what you think. But what you’re really missing is this. He is the express image of his invisible Father. Not that he is the Father but the express image of his invisible Father. . This is because his Father is inside him. Why can’t you Christians see this? It is so simple. It must be the Roman Catholic Church at work in your incarnistic minds.
 
101G said:
once again, John 14:9
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Relying on a verse written in 21st century America rather than Middle English

9 Jesus replied, “Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don’t know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking me to show him to you? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I speak are not my own, but my Father who lives in me does his work through me.

Trinitarians eisegesis is to take words that say something less than 'Jesus is God' to mean what they want. Take illusions, forms images as what they represent. There is a picture on the wall of my cousin ... anyone who has seen the pic on the wall has seen my cousin. In Trinity world, the picture on the wall is my cousin.

"Work through me" is an explicit statement of agency. Jesus is God's agent. There is only one God, the Father. Scripture says this in every Epistle! The one God works through his agent, his prophet, his anointed. And Jesus is not the first; such agency is throughout the Bible. And in turn, Jesus works though us. It's beautiful, the divine plan.


Truther said:
This is going to break your heart, but the following verse says from Jesus himself, that the Father was inside him doing the work through him. Verse 26 says the Father is speaking through him.
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Good observation about cherry picking Truther. It's all they got besides eisegesis.

Not only do they ignore verses that destroy the trinity, they ignore other valid interpretations of the monotheist text. For instance, when Jesus says the Father is in him, the pretend the world "in" is not part of the sentence. The sentence reveals Jesus relationship with the father is analogous to a container to its contents.

The same with us! We need to empty ourselves of ourselves, die daily to self so that the Holy Spirit can reside in us.
 
Wrangler said:
Relying on a verse written in 21st century America rather than Middle English

9 Jesus replied, “Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don’t know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking me to show him to you? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I speak are not my own, but my Father who lives in me does his work through me.

Trinitarians eisegesis is to take words that say something less than 'Jesus is God' to mean what they want. Take illusions, forms images as what they represent. There is a picture on the wall of my cousin ... anyone who has seen the pic on the wall has seen my cousin. In Trinity world, the picture on the wall is my cousin.

"Work through me" is an explicit statement of agency. Jesus is God's agent. There is only one God, the Father. Scripture says this in every Epistle! The one God works through his agent, his prophet, his anointed. And Jesus is not the first; such agency is throughout the Bible. And in turn, Jesus works though us. It's beautiful, the divine plan.



Good observation about cherry picking Truther. It's all they got besides eisegesis.

Not only do they ignore verses that destroy the trinity, they ignore other valid interpretations of the monotheist text. For instance, when Jesus says the Father is in him, the pretend the world "in" is not part of the sentence. The sentence reveals Jesus relationship with the father is analogous to a container to its contents.

The same with us! We need to empty ourselves of ourselves, die daily to self so that the Holy Spirit can reside in us.
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Thanks, but the trinity is not the result of the separation of the son and Father.

This is the Godhead theme of the Bible in a nutshell...

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


God and the man.

Not, the first person and the 2nd person.
 
Truther said:
This is the Godhead theme of the Bible in a nutshell
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There is no godhead in the Bible. This comes from a bad translation from half a millennia ago.

Truther said:
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


God and the man.

Not, the first person and the 2nd person.
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Great point!

I created a whole thread about such juxtaposition. IMO, it's the best Scriptural evidence against the trinity for it is ubiquitous.

 
Truther said:
I noticed you stopped at the following verse. Jesus said the Father was inside him. He said the father was working through him. You ignored it completely. That is what we call cherry picking. A classic example of it. You gotta read the rest.
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do you understand anything. come back to HEAD START and get it right. Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

his, God, "OWN ARM is HIM.... correct. his OWN ARM is not Truther, nor is his "OWN ARN" 101G. now LISTEN and LEARN, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?" God is about to REVEAL HIS, HIS, HIS, OWN ARM.
Isaiah 53:2 "For he (God's OWN ARM), shall grow up before him (God, the Spirit), ), as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he (God's OWN ARM), hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, (God's OWN ARM), there is no beauty that we should desire him, (God's OWN ARM)." Isaiah 53:3 "He (God's OWN ARM), is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him, (God's OWN ARM) ; he (God's OWN ARM), was despised, and we esteemed him, (God's OWN ARM). not." Isaiah 53:4 "Surely he (God's OWN ARM), hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him, (God's OWN ARM), stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted." Isaiah 53:5 "But he (God's OWN ARM), was wounded for our transgressions, he (God's OWN ARM), was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him, (God's OWN ARM),.and with his (God's OWN ARM),.stripes we are healed."

God's "OWN ARM" is a WHO, God himself in the ECHAD as the Son, or the Ordinal Last. MAN THIS IS TOO EASY.

see that "he" and "him" in verse 2, it's the same one Person. just the First and the Last is the same one PERSON... JESUS.

1 Corinthians 12:4 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit." (the him), 1 Corinthians 12:5 "And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord." (the he and the him) 1 Corinthians 12:6 "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all."

Oh My the ECHAD of God in Plain sight.

PICJAG, 101G.
 
Truther said:
This is going to break your heart, but the following verse says from Jesus himself, that the Father was inside him doing the work through him. Verse 26 says the Father is speaking through him. And all this time you thought Jesus was actually the Father. Because you cherry pick, that is what you think. But what you’re really missing is this. He is the express image of his invisible Father. Not that he is the Father but the express image of his invisible Father. . This is because his Father is inside him. Why can’t you Christians see this? It is so simple. It must be the Roman Catholic Church at work in your incarnistic minds.
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See #57, did not the Ordinal First/Father Descend on him at his Baptism? My God How hard is it.

PICJAG, 101G
 
Truther said:
Please explain this…


And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God
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did Jesus say he was NOT GOOD? he ask why, and Gave the answer, he is God ..... LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh dear,

as 101G said ...GO TO YOUR ROOM AND STUDY.

PICJAG, 101G.
 
101G said:
do you understand anything. come back to HEAD START and get it right. Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

his, God, "OWN ARM is HIM.... correct. his OWN ARM is not Truther, nor is his "OWN ARN" 101G. now LISTEN and LEARN, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?" God is about to REVEAL HIS, HIS, HIS, OWN ARM.
Isaiah 53:2 "For he (God's OWN ARM), shall grow up before him (God, the Spirit), ), as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he (God's OWN ARM), hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, (God's OWN ARM), there is no beauty that we should desire him, (God's OWN ARM)." Isaiah 53:3 "He (God's OWN ARM), is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him, (God's OWN ARM) ; he (God's OWN ARM), was despised, and we esteemed him, (God's OWN ARM). not." Isaiah 53:4 "Surely he (God's OWN ARM), hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him, (God's OWN ARM), stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted." Isaiah 53:5 "But he (God's OWN ARM), was wounded for our transgressions, he (God's OWN ARM), was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him, (God's OWN ARM),.and with his (God's OWN ARM),.stripes we are healed."

God's "OWN ARM" is a WHO, God himself in the ECHAD as the Son, or the Ordinal Last. MAN THIS IS TOO EASY.

see that "he" and "him" in verse 2, it's the same one Person. just the First and the Last is the same one PERSON... JESUS.

1 Corinthians 12:4 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit." (the him), 1 Corinthians 12:5 "And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord." (the he and the him) 1 Corinthians 12:6 "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all."

Oh My the ECHAD of God in Plain sight.

PICJAG, 101G.
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Check this out, cherry picker...

....he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me....


24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.


.....the words and works were NOT HIS, but someone else's.
 

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