What is Evolution ?
- Thread starter civic
- Start date
101G
Active Member
correct, was not the sun "made" to shin on day four? so, did it shine before day four? if so give scripture to that effect.
PICJAG
I wasn't asking what God needed. I asked the meaning of evening and morning if there wasn't even a sun. What then is a day? Or what even is an hour. But then you didn't bother to read the article, so you don't even understand my question. But that is OK.
civic
Active Member
God was its light, like I said no need. You don't think God can cause day or night without them ?
God Himself is light: “This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in Him there is no darkness at all” (1 John 1:5). Therefore, possibly God Himself was the light for the first three days of Creation. Something similar may also be in the case when God creates the new heavens and earth: “There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever” (Revelation 22:5).
I referenced each month where the tree of life gives its fruit with no sun, moon, starts etc..........
God is Miraculous by nature and defies science hence its a miracle.
hope this helps !!!
civic
Active Member
I will toss this in for free 
Joshua 10:13
So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.
Matthew 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’
hope this helps !!!
Joshua 10:13
So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.
Matthew 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’
hope this helps !!!
No, God is not the physical light of electromagnetic radiation that is perceived by the eye., The Genesis account of creation is the account of physical creation. The light of Genesis 1:3 most certainly is physical light, not the metaphorical light of John 1.
civic
Active Member
You are not believing what God said and just because you cannot understand Gods ways which are far above mans ways does not invalidate what He declared in Genesis 1:3
Genesis 1:3- Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
Did God said I created light in that passage or declare let there to be light ?
He said light appear and there was light. How He did that we don't know- was it God being that light, was it something else that was not the sun, moon, stars that had not been created yet ? The bible doesn't say specifically.
But we do know God is Light and we know in eternity future where there are months ( time exists ) that there will be no Sun, moon, starts with the New Earth that will exist and be just as real as this earth and the new heavens. Both the new earth and heavens will be better than the existing ones we. now have. And it will be more supernatural than the ones now.
You are dismissing Gods Miraculous nature/ability and using flawed human reasoning to understand Genesis 1 account. Its no problem for God but it sure is for the wisdom of men which is foolishness to God.
hope this helps !!!
Yes, I am believing what God said.
Yes, we do know how He did that. It is not a mystery. You can read about it here:
When Was the First Light in the Universe?
When was the first time that the Universe cooled down enough that light could finally move around?
civic
Active Member
I'm not interested in evolution, billions of years. I'm a biblical creationist that believes in the literal account of the 6 days of creation and that we can trace the biblical account of mans lineage, genealogy back to adam approximately 6,000 years ago.Yes, I am believing what God said.
Yes, we do know how He did that. It is not a mystery. You can read about it here:
When Was the First Light in the Universe?
When was the first time that the Universe cooled down enough that light could finally move around?www.universetoday.com
hope this helps !!!
praise_yeshua
Active Member
I will toss this in for free
Joshua 10:13
So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.
Matthew 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’
hope this helps !!!
I would take "time" out of your equation relative to creation.
Time is immutable. Time continues even thought the Sun and Moon stood still. The fact that this was a tangible observable fact that it actually happened actually helps prove that time isn't part of creation.
The problem is how we measure time.
Interesting topic to me. Let me know if you want to discuss. Thanks
But I am a biblical creationist too. I believe that it is about 6000 years back to Adam as well. But I believe that God's own physical revelation given though His creation presents His account of the billions of years before Adam. And I believe that Psalms 19:1 affirms that revelation.
The simple truth is that what actually happened on that occasion was an act of God for which there is no rational physical scientific explanation. It is purely one of God's providential acts in which He superseded His natural law.
civic
Active Member
Did you see the reference in the new heavens/earth in Rev 22:1-3 with months and the tree of life producing its fruit. This tells me there will be time in eternity but not calculated by the Sun/Moon the way we do it now. And there is no reason to think any different with the first 3 days before they were created. Man in his wisdom limits our Miraculous God who defies logic, reasoning and science. Just my opinion fwiw. I'm not science or philosophy expert by any stretch of the imagination but I know enough about both fields to know when it contradicts Who God is and what God has declared in His word.
praise_yeshua
Active Member
civic
Active Member
Thats where we have a vast difference of opinion as I don't see anywhere in scripture that existed before the 6 days of creation.
And another thing is everything God created had age built into it including man. So there is an "appearance " of age when there really is none. adam was created as an adult. The heavens are the same.
praise_yeshua
Active Member
My penny.
The substance was there "without form". Details were not given about that "form/formless" beginning. There is evidence that things happened in the material "heavens" before Genesis 1. At least there is to me.
The primary evidence to me is the context of Satan's fall. When Satan approached Eve and Adam, Lucifer had already become "Satan".
We can disagree. It isn't essential to me. Many things aren't. We should be patient with one another. I need more patience.
civic
Active Member
There is ambiguity as to whether his fall happened before Genesis 1:1 or after. I don't have a dogmatic position on it at the moment.
