What is Evolution ?

[e v e]

This earth is a foreign land and belongs to what God refers to as death in genesis and warned adam of. This is the sin realm.

Eden was never on this foreign land.

Eden is in the other reality.

 

[101G]

If you read the Genesis account of the creation .....WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT..... you will see that there are only three occasions when God created. The first is in Genesis 1:1 in the creation of the "heavens and earth". The second is Genesis 1:21 in the creation of life in the sea. The third is in Genesis 1:27 in the creation of man in His own image. The Holy Spirit is careful to distinguish between the Hebrew words "bara" [create], "‛âśâh" [make] and "hâyâh" [let there be].

The Hebrew word "bara" [create] when used in connection with God always denotes creation ex nihilo, i.e., creation from nothing. The first creation ex nihilo is the brute universe with all the mass, energy and governing natural law, i.e., the non-biological physical universe. The second creation ex nihilo is the biological life and the governing natural law, i.e., the biological physical universe. The third creation is spirit of man. Everything else is a "let there be" or "make" which are those physical entities derived from what has been created ex nihilo along with the governing natural law.

GINOLJC, to all.
When God created.... he "MADE". understand, .... ie .... Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so." the earth could not bring forth except what was to come forth was already in it. so, when God created, he made. now as with man ... from existing material, earth, the dust of it, he God .... FROMED MAN. just as the seed was in itself, so likewise was man in the EARTH... dust.

101G.

 

[e v e]

GINOLJC, to all.
When God created.... he "MADE". understand, .... ie .... Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so." the earth could not bring forth except what was to come forth was already in it. so, when God created, he made. now as with man ... from existing material, earth, the dust of it, he God .... FROMED MAN. just as the seed was in itself, so likewise was man in the EARTH... dust.

101G.

God did not make man from existing material here. He spoke and man a npsh soul became to be in eden in the other reality.

This current earth and its dirt only produces flesh which cannot enter paradise, the current flesh we are shackled in because of adam. Eden dust doesn't even exist here.

 

[Jim]

GINOLJC, to all.
When God created.... he "MADE". understand, .... ie .... Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so." the earth could not bring forth except what was to come forth was already in it. so, when God created, he made. now as with man ... from existing material, earth, the dust of it, he God .... FROMED MAN. just as the seed was in itself, so likewise was man in the EARTH... dust.

101G.

The words "create" and "made" are different and have different meanings, especially when used in relation to God.

 

[101G]

The words "create" and "made" are different and have different meanings, especially when used in relation to God.

if 101G made something which was never before, did not 101G "CREATED" it? I.E...... if 101G created a tree, is not the wooden rocking chair in the TREE that 101G created? only now when made ... BROUGH FORTH.

the only thing separating the CREATION and the BRINGFORTH/MADE is "TIME"

just think, one cannot make something unless it is created. and was not the rocking chair in the tree when the tree was CREATED?

was not the woman Eve in the man Adam before she was .... BROUGHT FORTH.

understand something.... ONE VERSE, Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"

when one master this verse, then one will understand CREATION and MADE.

101G.

 

[Walt]

I think the general pr typical presentation of the history of the universe is in pretty good agreement with the Genesis account of the creation, when properly interpreted and understood.

I am very sorry , I have gotten you confused with another person, could we please start all over again?

I get in so many of these debates I just got confused. Sorry.

 

[Jim]

if 101G made something which was never before, did not 101G "CREATED" it? I.E...... if 101G created a tree, is not the wooden rocking chair in the TREE that 101G created? only now when made ... BROUGH FORTH.

the only thing separating the CREATION and the BRINGFORTH/MADE is "TIME"

just think, one cannot make something unless it is created. and was not the rocking chair in the tree when the tree was CREATED?

was not the woman Eve in the man Adam before she was .... BROUGHT FORTH.

understand something.... ONE VERSE, Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"

when one master this verse, then one will understand CREATION and MADE.

101G.

Then it would seem that you have not mastered Isaiah 46:10.

 

[Jim]

I am very sorry , I have gotten you confused with another person, could we please start all over again?

I get in so many of these debates I just got confused. Sorry.

Did you check out the article I posted in my Reply #96? It describes how both the Genesis account speaking of days and the scientific account speaking of billions of years can both be correct. I think it posits a very interesting conformity and harmony between the two presentations.

 

[Walt]

Did you check out the article I posted in my Reply #96? It describes how both the Genesis account speaking of days and the scientific account speaking of billions of years can both be correct. I think it posits a very interesting conformity and harmony between the two presentations.

I will take a look thank you.

 

[Walt]

I think both the Bible's explanation and the scientific explanation by the majority are correct. To see how that can be Dr. Gerald Schroeder has explained how both the Bible's account and the Scientific account can both be simultaneously true.

Go here: https://aish.com/the-age-of-the-universe-one-reality-viewed-from-two-different-perspectives/

I read pretty much the whole page of:

The Age of the Universe: One Reality Viewed from Two Different Perspectives​

Most all the words sound reasonable and logical, from a biblical and scientific viewpoint.

For me the Bible is my primary source for any biblical information, even though the article is informative, I prefer the words in the Bible. Thank you very much for the article very informative.

 

[101G]

Then it would seem that you have not mastered Isaiah 46:10.

Nor U .... (smile).
101G

 

[101G]

God did not make man from existing material here. He spoke and man a npsh soul became to be in eden in the other reality.

This current earth and its dirt only produces flesh which cannot enter paradise, the current flesh we are shackled in because of adam. Eden dust doesn't even exist here.

Was not Christ BORN? ...... and was not that body flesh and bone ... with blood? yes, but upon his death and resurrection changed? scripture, Luke 24:39 "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."

101G.

 

[Jim]

Nor U .... (smile).
101G

That could be. But you still refuse to know and understand the difference between create, make and let there be. The difference is important. It is not difficult issue. You really do know to address that problem. And it has little if anything to do with Isaiah 46:10.

 

[101G]

That could be. But you still refuse to know and understand the difference between create, make and let there be. The difference is important. It is not difficult issue. You really do know to address that problem. And it has little if anything to do with Isaiah 46:10.

let's see. Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

now the very next verse. Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

JIM.... did you notice in verse 26, God as a plurality "MADE" man, but as "ONE" person, (his and he), a single person in verse 27 "CREATED" man.

but here's the KICKER, or your stone of stumbling.... the US in verse 26 that made man male and female is a HE, single person. and to back this up, meaning that God is a single/"one" person, did not the Lord Jesus himself said so? let's check the record, if you will go with 101G to Matthew 19:3 & 4. Listen Carefully. "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"

JIM, JIM, did not Genesis 1:26 say, "US", and "OUR", a plurality ....... "MADE" man? but the Lord Jesus who cannot LIE said "he" meaning God ..... "a single person" .....get this "CREATED" man male and female. ...... (smile)..... YIKES!

and Oh yes, the "he" that the Lord Jesus said made man male and female is GOD the ONE person for our brother Mark confirms this. because he recorded the same conversation. Mark 10:5 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept." Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female."

see JIM, God is a HE, a single person who "CREATED", and "MADE" man male and female in ........ THE BEGINNING, YIKES!

but did Genesis 1:26 contradict Genesis 1:27? NO, if one has Mastered Isaiah 46:10. ...... Oh my God this is 2 easy.

P.S. this will help you to my brother @TibiasDad

not only do these verses destroys the trinity doctrine, but establish God as "ONE" person .... "Diversified" in Spirit..... Not separated, nor divided, but is the ORDINAL of himself to come ...... in flesh and bones.

101G pray God, the Lord Jesus open both your hearts, mind and eyes. 101G suggest you both re-read this post carefully.

PICJAG, 101G

 

[civic]

Did you check out the article I posted in my Reply #96? It describes how both the Genesis account speaking of days and the scientific account speaking of billions of years can both be correct. I think it posits a very interesting conformity and harmony between the two presentations.

thats an oxymoron be definition. both cannot be true.

NINE REASONS WHY THE “DAYS” IN GENESIS 1 MUST BE UNDERSTOOD AS NORMAL (24-HOUR) DAYS​

1. The Hebrew word yom, translated “day,” is used more than 2,000 times in the Old Testament. In 95% of these cases, the word clearly means a 24-hour day, or the daylight portion of a 24-hour day. Since this is the way the word is most often used in the Old Testament, it should be understood in this way in Genesis 1 unless there are compelling reasons to prefer some other meaning.
2. God defines what he means by “day” in Genesis 1: “God called the light ‘day’ and the darkness he called ‘night’ ” (Genesis 1:5).
3. The terms “evening” and “morning” make it clear that normal days are being referred to in Genesis 1. These terms are used in Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31.
4. The numerical qualifier (e.g., “second day,” “third day”) demands a 24-hour day. This usage is found in Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31, 2:2, 3. The word “day” appears with a number over 200 times in the Old Testament, and in every case the reference is to a literal day.
5. God established the sun and moon “to separate the day from the night,” “to mark seasons and days and years,” and “to govern the day and the night” (Genesis 1:14-18). These passages clearly refer to normal days.
6. The Ten Commandments given to Israel were spoken by God himself, and were also written directly by God in stone (Exodus 20:1, 31:18, 32:16). Within these Ten Commandments, God described his work of creating the universe: “For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy” (Exodus 20:11). Since the Sabbath command is linked in this way to the creation week, the “days” of the creation week must be of the same kind as the “day” Israel was expected to rest.
7. The primary reason some people want to lengthen the “days” of Genesis 1 is to make room for the evolutionary scenario, which requires billions of years. But evolution is simply incompatible with Genesis 1, and stretching the meaning of the word “day” will not accomplish the reconciliation of the creation and evolution worldviews. They are just too different. Consider the following admission by Pattle P. Pun, professor of biology at Wheaton College. (Note: Dr. Pun writes as a theistic evolutionist.)

It is apparent that the most straightforward understanding of the Genesis record, without regard to all the hermeneutical considerations suggested by [evolutionary] science, is that God created heaven and earth in six solar days, that man was created in the sixth day, that death and chaos entered the world after the Fall of Adam and Eve, that all of the fossils were the result of the catastrophic universal deluge which spared only Noah’s family and the animals therewith. (Journal of the American Scientific Affiliation, March 1987, p. 14)

1. In the New American Standard Bible, Genesis 2:4 says: “This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.” Here is an instance where the word “day” does not refer to a 24-hour day. The phrase “in the day that” is a Hebrew idiom meaning “at the time that” or simply “when” (as the phrase is rendered in the New International Version). But this usage does not invalidate our understanding of “day” meaning a 24-hour day (or the light portion thereof) in Genesis 1. In fact, a similar occurrence of this idiom appears in Numbers 7:84 (see NASB margin), which follows twelve literal days of offerings (Numbers 7:12-83).
2. II Peter 3:8 says, “With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.” But this is a simile (a literary device used for comparison) given to help us understand the Lord’s patience, not a hint as to how we should interpret Genesis 1. The word “like” is not the same as an equal sign! Also: the word “day” is unlikely to carry a figurative meaning in Genesis 1 since it appears for the very first time there. Words are used figuratively only after their literal meaning is well established. Richard Niessen

A careful examination of the Hebrew word for “day” and the context in which it appears in Genesis will lead to the conclusion that “day” means a literal, 24-hour period of time. The Hebrew word yom translated into the English “day” can mean more than one thing. It can refer to the 24-hour period of time that it takes for the earth to rotate on its axis (e.g., “there are 24 hours in a day”). It can refer to the period of daylight between dawn and dusk (e.g., “it gets pretty hot during the day but it cools down a bit at night”). And it can refer to an unspecified period of time (e.g., “back in my grandfather's day...”). It is used to refer to a 24-hour period in Genesis 7:11. It is used to refer to the period of daylight between dawn and dusk in Genesis 1:16. And it is used to refer to an unspecified period of time in Genesis 2:4. So, what does it mean in Genesis 1:5-2:2 when it's used in conjunction with ordinal numbers (i.e., the first day, the second day, the third day, the fourth day, the fifth day, the sixth day, and the seventh day)? Are these 24-hour periods or something else? Could yom as it is used here mean an unspecified period of time?

We can determine how yom should be interpreted in Genesis 1:5-2:2 simply by examining the context in which we find the word and then comparing its context with how we see its usage elsewhere in Scripture. By doing this we let Scripture interpret itself. The Hebrew word yom is used 2301 times in the Old Testament. Outside of Genesis 1, yom plus a number (used 410 times) always indicates an ordinary day, i.e., a 24-hour period. The words “evening” and “morning” together (38 times) always indicate an ordinary day. Yom + “evening” or “morning” (23 times) always indicates an ordinary day. Yom + “night” (52 times) always indicates an ordinary day.

The context in which the word yom is used in Genesis 1:5-2:2, describing each day as “the evening and the morning,” makes it quite clear that the author of Genesis meant 24-hour periods. The references to “evening” and “morning” make no sense unless they refer to a literal 24-hour day. This was the standard interpretation of the days of Genesis 1:5-2:2 until the 1800s when a paradigm shift occurred within the scientific community, and the earth's sedimentary strata layers were reinterpreted. Whereas previously the rock layers were interpreted as evidence of Noah's flood, the flood was thrown out by the scientific community and the rock layers were reinterpreted as evidence for an excessively old earth. Some well-meaning but terribly mistaken Christians then sought to reconcile this new anti-flood, anti-biblical interpretation with the Genesis account by reinterpreting yom to mean vast, unspecified periods of time.

The truth is that many of the old-earth interpretations are known to rely upon faulty assumptions. But we must not let the stubborn close-mindedness of scientists influence how we read the Bible. According to Exodus 20:9-11, God used six literal days to create the world in order to serve as a model for man's workweek: work six days, rest one. Certainly God could have created everything in an instant if He wanted to. But apparently He had us in mind even before He made us (on the sixth day) and wanted to provide an example for us to follow.got?

conclusion: evolution and old earth theory are both false. the earth is very young 6,000 years and some change.


hope this helps !!!

 

[Jim]

thats an oxymoron be definition. both cannot be true.

NINE REASONS WHY THE “DAYS” IN GENESIS 1 MUST BE UNDERSTOOD AS NORMAL (24-HOUR) DAYS​

1. The Hebrew word yom, translated “day,” is used more than 2,000 times in the Old Testament. In 95% of these cases, the word clearly means a 24-hour day, or the daylight portion of a 24-hour day. Since this is the way the word is most often used in the Old Testament, it should be understood in this way in Genesis 1 unless there are compelling reasons to prefer some other meaning.
2. God defines what he means by “day” in Genesis 1: “God called the light ‘day’ and the darkness he called ‘night’ ” (Genesis 1:5).
3. The terms “evening” and “morning” make it clear that normal days are being referred to in Genesis 1. These terms are used in Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31.
4. The numerical qualifier (e.g., “second day,” “third day”) demands a 24-hour day. This usage is found in Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31, 2:2, 3. The word “day” appears with a number over 200 times in the Old Testament, and in every case the reference is to a literal day.
5. God established the sun and moon “to separate the day from the night,” “to mark seasons and days and years,” and “to govern the day and the night” (Genesis 1:14-18). These passages clearly refer to normal days.
6. The Ten Commandments given to Israel were spoken by God himself, and were also written directly by God in stone (Exodus 20:1, 31:18, 32:16). Within these Ten Commandments, God described his work of creating the universe: “For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy” (Exodus 20:11). Since the Sabbath command is linked in this way to the creation week, the “days” of the creation week must be of the same kind as the “day” Israel was expected to rest.
7. The primary reason some people want to lengthen the “days” of Genesis 1 is to make room for the evolutionary scenario, which requires billions of years. But evolution is simply incompatible with Genesis 1, and stretching the meaning of the word “day” will not accomplish the reconciliation of the creation and evolution worldviews. They are just too different. Consider the following admission by Pattle P. Pun, professor of biology at Wheaton College. (Note: Dr. Pun writes as a theistic evolutionist.)

It is apparent that the most straightforward understanding of the Genesis record, without regard to all the hermeneutical considerations suggested by [evolutionary] science, is that God created heaven and earth in six solar days, that man was created in the sixth day, that death and chaos entered the world after the Fall of Adam and Eve, that all of the fossils were the result of the catastrophic universal deluge which spared only Noah’s family and the animals therewith. (Journal of the American Scientific Affiliation, March 1987, p. 14)

1. In the New American Standard Bible, Genesis 2:4 says: “This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.” Here is an instance where the word “day” does not refer to a 24-hour day. The phrase “in the day that” is a Hebrew idiom meaning “at the time that” or simply “when” (as the phrase is rendered in the New International Version). But this usage does not invalidate our understanding of “day” meaning a 24-hour day (or the light portion thereof) in Genesis 1. In fact, a similar occurrence of this idiom appears in Numbers 7:84 (see NASB margin), which follows twelve literal days of offerings (Numbers 7:12-83).
2. II Peter 3:8 says, “With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.” But this is a simile (a literary device used for comparison) given to help us understand the Lord’s patience, not a hint as to how we should interpret Genesis 1. The word “like” is not the same as an equal sign! Also: the word “day” is unlikely to carry a figurative meaning in Genesis 1 since it appears for the very first time there. Words are used figuratively only after their literal meaning is well established. Richard Niessen

A careful examination of the Hebrew word for “day” and the context in which it appears in Genesis will lead to the conclusion that “day” means a literal, 24-hour period of time. The Hebrew word yom translated into the English “day” can mean more than one thing. It can refer to the 24-hour period of time that it takes for the earth to rotate on its axis (e.g., “there are 24 hours in a day”). It can refer to the period of daylight between dawn and dusk (e.g., “it gets pretty hot during the day but it cools down a bit at night”). And it can refer to an unspecified period of time (e.g., “back in my grandfather's day...”). It is used to refer to a 24-hour period in Genesis 7:11. It is used to refer to the period of daylight between dawn and dusk in Genesis 1:16. And it is used to refer to an unspecified period of time in Genesis 2:4. So, what does it mean in Genesis 1:5-2:2 when it's used in conjunction with ordinal numbers (i.e., the first day, the second day, the third day, the fourth day, the fifth day, the sixth day, and the seventh day)? Are these 24-hour periods or something else? Could yom as it is used here mean an unspecified period of time?

We can determine how yom should be interpreted in Genesis 1:5-2:2 simply by examining the context in which we find the word and then comparing its context with how we see its usage elsewhere in Scripture. By doing this we let Scripture interpret itself. The Hebrew word yom is used 2301 times in the Old Testament. Outside of Genesis 1, yom plus a number (used 410 times) always indicates an ordinary day, i.e., a 24-hour period. The words “evening” and “morning” together (38 times) always indicate an ordinary day. Yom + “evening” or “morning” (23 times) always indicates an ordinary day. Yom + “night” (52 times) always indicates an ordinary day.

The context in which the word yom is used in Genesis 1:5-2:2, describing each day as “the evening and the morning,” makes it quite clear that the author of Genesis meant 24-hour periods. The references to “evening” and “morning” make no sense unless they refer to a literal 24-hour day. This was the standard interpretation of the days of Genesis 1:5-2:2 until the 1800s when a paradigm shift occurred within the scientific community, and the earth's sedimentary strata layers were reinterpreted. Whereas previously the rock layers were interpreted as evidence of Noah's flood, the flood was thrown out by the scientific community and the rock layers were reinterpreted as evidence for an excessively old earth. Some well-meaning but terribly mistaken Christians then sought to reconcile this new anti-flood, anti-biblical interpretation with the Genesis account by reinterpreting yom to mean vast, unspecified periods of time.

The truth is that many of the old-earth interpretations are known to rely upon faulty assumptions. But we must not let the stubborn close-mindedness of scientists influence how we read the Bible. According to Exodus 20:9-11, God used six literal days to create the world in order to serve as a model for man's workweek: work six days, rest one. Certainly God could have created everything in an instant if He wanted to. But apparently He had us in mind even before He made us (on the sixth day) and wanted to provide an example for us to follow.got?

conclusion: evolution and old earth theory are both false. the earth is very young 6,000 years and some change.


hope this helps !!!

What is an evening or a morning when the sun does not even exist on day one? You have given me one page on your reasons for a 24-hour creation day. I have of couple of books discussing why that need not be the correct interpretation. Moreover, If you would go back to my Reply #96 and read the article by Gerald Schroeder that I posted there, he will present a rational discussion showing you that the 6 days of creation and the 13+ billion years are both literally true.

If nothing else, I think you would find his article very interesting.

Schroeder (now dead) earned his BSc, MSc and Ph.D. in Nuclear Physics and Earth and Planetary Sciences at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and a lecturer at Aish Jerusalem for the Discovery Seminar, Essentials program, Jerusalem Fellowships and Executive Learning Center – focusing on the topics of evolution, cosmology and age of the universe. He is well versed in the ancient Hebrew scholars and the text.

 

[civic]

What is an evening or a morning when the sun does not even exist on day one? You have given me one page on your reasons for a 24-hour creation day. I have of couple of books discussing why that need not be the correct interpretation. Moreover, If you would go back to my Reply #96 and read the article by Gerald Schroeder that I posted there, he will present a rational discussion showing you that the 6 days of creation and the 13+ billion years are both literally true.

If nothing else, I think you would find his article very interesting.

Schroeder (now dead) earned his BSc, MSc and Ph.D. in Nuclear Physics and Earth and Planetary Sciences at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and a lecturer at Aish Jerusalem for the Discovery Seminar, Essentials program, Jerusalem Fellowships and Executive Learning Center – focusing on the topics of evolution, cosmology and age of the universe. He is well versed in the ancient Hebrew scholars and the text.

God doesn’t need the sun, moon. Read Rev 22:1-3. No sun or moon yet there will be months where the tree of life gives its fruit 12 months

On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month.

 

[Jim]

let's see. Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

now the very next verse. Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

JIM.... did you notice in verse 26, God as a plurality "MADE" man, but as "ONE" person, (his and he), a single person in verse 27 "CREATED" man.

but here's the KICKER, or your stone of stumbling.... the US in verse 26 that made man male and female is a HE, single person. and to back this up, meaning that God is a single/"one" person, did not the Lord Jesus himself said so? let's check the record, if you will go with 101G to Matthew 19:3 & 4. Listen Carefully. "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"

JIM, JIM, did not Genesis 1:26 say, "US", and "OUR", a plurality ....... "MADE" man? but the Lord Jesus who cannot LIE said "he" meaning God ..... "a single person" .....get this "CREATED" man male and female. ...... (smile)..... YIKES!

and Oh yes, the "he" that the Lord Jesus said made man male and female is GOD the ONE person for our brother Mark confirms this. because he recorded the same conversation. Mark 10:5 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept." Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female."

see JIM, God is a HE, a single person who "CREATED", and "MADE" man male and female in ........ THE BEGINNING, YIKES!

but did Genesis 1:26 contradict Genesis 1:27? NO, if one has Mastered Isaiah 46:10. ...... Oh my God this is 2 easy.

P.S. this will help you to my brother @TibiasDad

not only do these verses destroys the trinity doctrine, but establish God as "ONE" person .... "Diversified" in Spirit..... Not separated, nor divided, but is the ORDINAL of himself to come ...... in flesh and bones.

101G pray God, the Lord Jesus open both your hearts, mind and eyes. 101G suggest you both re-read this post carefully.

PICJAG, 101G

God one, but God is three persons....Father, Son and Holy Spirit. But I really do not want to get into the Trinity here. It does not add anything relevant to the current discussion.

 

[Jim]

God doesn’t need the sun, moon. Read Rev 22:1-3. No sun or moon yet there will be months where the tree of life gives its fruit 12 months

On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month.

Huh? You are pointing me to Revelation to define what a literal evening and morning is? Seriously?

 

[101G]

thats an oxymoron be definition. both cannot be true.

NINE REASONS WHY THE “DAYS” IN GENESIS 1 MUST BE UNDERSTOOD AS NORMAL (24-HOUR) DAYS​

1. The Hebrew word yom, translated “day,” is used more than 2,000 times in the Old Testament. In 95% of these cases, the word clearly means a 24-hour day, or the daylight portion of a 24-hour day. Since this is the way the word is most often used in the Old Testament, it should be understood in this way in Genesis 1 unless there are compelling reasons to prefer some other meaning.
2. God defines what he means by “day” in Genesis 1: “God called the light ‘day’ and the darkness he called ‘night’ ” (Genesis 1:5).
3. The terms “evening” and “morning” make it clear that normal days are being referred to in Genesis 1. These terms are used in Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31.
4. The numerical qualifier (e.g., “second day,” “third day”) demands a 24-hour day. This usage is found in Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31, 2:2, 3. The word “day” appears with a number over 200 times in the Old Testament, and in every case the reference is to a literal day.
5. God established the sun and moon “to separate the day from the night,” “to mark seasons and days and years,” and “to govern the day and the night” (Genesis 1:14-18). These passages clearly refer to normal days.
6. The Ten Commandments given to Israel were spoken by God himself, and were also written directly by God in stone (Exodus 20:1, 31:18, 32:16). Within these Ten Commandments, God described his work of creating the universe: “For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy” (Exodus 20:11). Since the Sabbath command is linked in this way to the creation week, the “days” of the creation week must be of the same kind as the “day” Israel was expected to rest.
7. The primary reason some people want to lengthen the “days” of Genesis 1 is to make room for the evolutionary scenario, which requires billions of years. But evolution is simply incompatible with Genesis 1, and stretching the meaning of the word “day” will not accomplish the reconciliation of the creation and evolution worldviews. They are just too different. Consider the following admission by Pattle P. Pun, professor of biology at Wheaton College. (Note: Dr. Pun writes as a theistic evolutionist.)

It is apparent that the most straightforward understanding of the Genesis record, without regard to all the hermeneutical considerations suggested by [evolutionary] science, is that God created heaven and earth in six solar days, that man was created in the sixth day, that death and chaos entered the world after the Fall of Adam and Eve, that all of the fossils were the result of the catastrophic universal deluge which spared only Noah’s family and the animals therewith. (Journal of the American Scientific Affiliation, March 1987, p. 14)

1. In the New American Standard Bible, Genesis 2:4 says: “This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.” Here is an instance where the word “day” does not refer to a 24-hour day. The phrase “in the day that” is a Hebrew idiom meaning “at the time that” or simply “when” (as the phrase is rendered in the New International Version). But this usage does not invalidate our understanding of “day” meaning a 24-hour day (or the light portion thereof) in Genesis 1. In fact, a similar occurrence of this idiom appears in Numbers 7:84 (see NASB margin), which follows twelve literal days of offerings (Numbers 7:12-83).
2. II Peter 3:8 says, “With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.” But this is a simile (a literary device used for comparison) given to help us understand the Lord’s patience, not a hint as to how we should interpret Genesis 1. The word “like” is not the same as an equal sign! Also: the word “day” is unlikely to carry a figurative meaning in Genesis 1 since it appears for the very first time there. Words are used figuratively only after their literal meaning is well established. Richard Niessen

A careful examination of the Hebrew word for “day” and the context in which it appears in Genesis will lead to the conclusion that “day” means a literal, 24-hour period of time. The Hebrew word yom translated into the English “day” can mean more than one thing. It can refer to the 24-hour period of time that it takes for the earth to rotate on its axis (e.g., “there are 24 hours in a day”). It can refer to the period of daylight between dawn and dusk (e.g., “it gets pretty hot during the day but it cools down a bit at night”). And it can refer to an unspecified period of time (e.g., “back in my grandfather's day...”). It is used to refer to a 24-hour period in Genesis 7:11. It is used to refer to the period of daylight between dawn and dusk in Genesis 1:16. And it is used to refer to an unspecified period of time in Genesis 2:4. So, what does it mean in Genesis 1:5-2:2 when it's used in conjunction with ordinal numbers (i.e., the first day, the second day, the third day, the fourth day, the fifth day, the sixth day, and the seventh day)? Are these 24-hour periods or something else? Could yom as it is used here mean an unspecified period of time?

We can determine how yom should be interpreted in Genesis 1:5-2:2 simply by examining the context in which we find the word and then comparing its context with how we see its usage elsewhere in Scripture. By doing this we let Scripture interpret itself. The Hebrew word yom is used 2301 times in the Old Testament. Outside of Genesis 1, yom plus a number (used 410 times) always indicates an ordinary day, i.e., a 24-hour period. The words “evening” and “morning” together (38 times) always indicate an ordinary day. Yom + “evening” or “morning” (23 times) always indicates an ordinary day. Yom + “night” (52 times) always indicates an ordinary day.

The context in which the word yom is used in Genesis 1:5-2:2, describing each day as “the evening and the morning,” makes it quite clear that the author of Genesis meant 24-hour periods. The references to “evening” and “morning” make no sense unless they refer to a literal 24-hour day. This was the standard interpretation of the days of Genesis 1:5-2:2 until the 1800s when a paradigm shift occurred within the scientific community, and the earth's sedimentary strata layers were reinterpreted. Whereas previously the rock layers were interpreted as evidence of Noah's flood, the flood was thrown out by the scientific community and the rock layers were reinterpreted as evidence for an excessively old earth. Some well-meaning but terribly mistaken Christians then sought to reconcile this new anti-flood, anti-biblical interpretation with the Genesis account by reinterpreting yom to mean vast, unspecified periods of time.

The truth is that many of the old-earth interpretations are known to rely upon faulty assumptions. But we must not let the stubborn close-mindedness of scientists influence how we read the Bible. According to Exodus 20:9-11, God used six literal days to create the world in order to serve as a model for man's workweek: work six days, rest one. Certainly God could have created everything in an instant if He wanted to. But apparently He had us in mind even before He made us (on the sixth day) and wanted to provide an example for us to follow.got?

conclusion: evolution and old earth theory are both false. the earth is very young 6,000 years and some change.


hope this helps !!!

A day in the beginning are not 24hr. time periods even your point #5 for beginners disprove your point.

God established the sun and moon “to separate the day from the night,” “to mark seasons and days and years,” and “to govern the day and the night” (Genesis 1:14-18). These passages clearly refer to normal days.

yes from verses 14-..... but not in verses 3 up to 13. listen Genesis 1:3 "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." Genesis 1:4 "And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness." Genesis 1:5 "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

the "LIGHT" here is not part of a 24hr ... "DAY". as you try to make it out to be. listen to yourself,

The terms “evening” and “morning” make it clear that normal days are being referred to in Genesis 1. These terms are used in Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31.

well, the "LIGHT" here is not "luminous", but "illumination" ... BIG DIFFERENCE.
LIGHT in verses 3 and 4. H216 אוֹר 'owr (ore) n-f.
1. illumination.
2. (concretely) luminary (in every sense, including lightning, happiness, etc.).
[from H215]
KJV: bright, clear, + day, light (-ning), morning, sun.
Root(s): H215

see definitions #1 and #2. ...... now your "LIGHT" from the sun in creation,
H215 אוֹר 'owr (ore) v.
1. to be luminous.
2. (causative) to make luminous.
{literally and metaphorically}
[a primitive root]
KJV: X break of day, glorious, kindle, (be, en-, give, show) light (-en, -ened), set on fire, shine.

see the difference, both are "OWR), but one is a verb/ luminous, and the other a NOUN/ illumination that's where you made your deadly mistake.

hope this helps.

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