What do JW's Believe ?

Yes being called something. Being that thing. Not the same thing.

In addition, you are again assuming the exclamation was calling Jesus God. When I drop my toast, I am not literally calling the toast feces.
This is just too ridiculous.
After Thomas called Jesus "My Lord and my God!", Jesus immediately received/approved that proclamation and said "you have believed".
What you're claiming is that Jesus is putting a stamp of approval on an emotional outburst. Ok, let's all go around tossing emotional outbursts around because after all that's how the Unitarian Jesus puts his "you have believed" stamp on us. Let me start with you. Here is my emotional outburst to you: "%%$%$&$%&". Am I scoring points with your Utilitarian Jesus? How many points?

(John 20:28) And Thomas answered and said to Him, My Lord and my God!
(John 20:29) Jesus said to him, Thomas, because you have seen Me you have believed. Blessed are they who have not seen and have believed.
 
This is just too ridiculous.
After Thomas called Jesus "My Lord and my God!", Jesus immediately received/approved that proclamation and said "you have believed".
You are ridiculous.

Jesus never claimed to be God but the Anointed. The notion that he didn’t object to Thomas’ comment means anything is ridiculous. Again, going back to the toast, no one ever objected to me calling it feces. So, by your logic the toast is feces.

This fallacy is called Appeal to Ignorance, the lack of evidence of Jesus objecting is not support for what you claim.
 
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John 3:5-6 . . . Most truly I say to you: Unless anyone is born from water and
spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. What has been born from the flesh
is flesh, and what has been born from the spirit is spirit.

Some years ago I asked an experienced Jehovah's Witness if he was born of the
spirit. He answered no, plus added that he did not expect to undergo a spirit birth
in either this life or the next because his hope is a kingdom on Earth.

My friend was somehow unaware that everything Jesus and Nicodemus discussed in
John 3:3-8 was related to earthly things.

John 3:12 . . . If I have told you earthly things and yet you do not believe, how
will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?

In other words: the kingdom of God, to which the spirit birth pertains, will be on
Earth rather than up in Heaven.

It's both tragic and ironic that the Watchtower Society's rank and file door-to-door
missionaries go worldwide advertising a kingdom that they themselves will never be
allowed to enter: not because they didn't work hard enough to deserve it, but
simply because they were led to believe themselves exempt from the spirit-birth
requirement.
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1John 4:1 . . Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the
inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false
prophets have gone forth into the world.

The Greek word translated "false prophets" roughly defines a supposedly inspired
speaker who's actually on the wrong side of the aisle, viz: imposters; and they are
everywhere, e.g. radio, television, the internet, social media, in print, and at our
very doors.

Jesus said that false prophets are known by their fruits (Matt 7:15-20). For
example: the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society's predictions regarding
Armageddon and Christ's return have been incorrect every time. Seventh Day
Adventism's performance hasn't been any better.

Well; if a religion's predictions fail, then prudence requires that we assume its
theology is highly suspect no matter how convincing their explanations may appear.
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FAQ: Why does the Watchtower Society translate the Word in John 1:1 as a god in
lower case instead of God in upper case?


REPLY: The Watchtower Society's translation is based upon an imaginary
grammatical technicality.

The common Greek word for "god" is theós (theh'-os). When it's modified by the
little Greek definite article "ho" the Society translates theós in upper case, viz: in
the Society's theological thinking; ho theós pertains to the one true God, whereas
theós by itself is somewhat flexible, for example John 1:18 and John 20:17 where
the Society translates it in upper case though it be not modified by ho.

However, according to Dr. Archibald T. Robertson's "Grammar Of The Greek New
Testament", page 767: in regards to nouns in the predicate; the article is not
essential to speech. In other words: when theόs is in the predicate, ho can be
either used, or not used, without making any real difference.

So then; a translator's decision whether to capitalize either of the two theόs in John
1:1 or not to capitalize them, is entirely arbitrary rather than dictated by a strict
rule of Greek grammar.

Of course the Society prefers that The Word be a lower case god because that
spelling is agreeable with their version of his status; whereas regular Christians
prefer the upper case because that spelling is agreeable with their version of The
Word's status; while in reality, either spelling is acceptable.

For that reason I strongly discourage discussing John 1:1 with JWs because the
grammatical ground they stand on is just as solid as ours.

* The very fact that the Society recognizes the Word as a deity at all is problematic
because there is no middle classifications of gods in the Bible between the true and
the false; just as there is no middle between fools and wise, nor good and evil, nor
righteous and unrighteous.
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You are ridiculous.

Jesus never claimed to be God but the Anointed. The notion that he didn’t object to Thomas’ comment means anything is ridiculous. Again, going back to the toast, no one ever objected to me calling it feces. So, by your logic the toast is feces.
You are continuing to embarrass yourself.
Your feces exclamation example is an emotional figure of speech outburst. Nobody would immediately say "you have believed" to that example or any similar example, let alone Jesus putting his stamp of approval on it.
This fallacy is called Appeal to Ignorance, the lack of evidence of Jesus objecting is not support for what you claim.
You certainly are appealing to ignorance. I, on the other hand, am appealing to Jesus' explicit reaction which clearly makes your idea ridiculous.

You skipped over my questions about your Unilitarian Jesus. Are they too embrassing for you to answer? Your example gives a new meaning to "brownie points".
 
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Your feces exclamation example is an emotional figure of speech outburst.
The exact same with Thomas. An exclamatory statement, not a declarative statement.

The very fact that you resort to such a desperate measure is because there is no actual explicit support for the trinity in Scripture. Thomas said that Jesus was his god, you say? That does not make him anyone else's god, does it? That is not the same as YHWH who is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who brought the Hebrews out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery, is it?

We all know you want it to be the same and you'll resort to violating any boundary to rationalize it, be it:
  1. Definition
  2. Logic
  3. Language Usage (like taking a personal exclamatory statement of a character as narrative declarative statement applied to all)
  4. Explicit Scripture
Here is explicit Scripture, there is one God, the Father. (So simple, even a trinitarian can understand it!) Why can't you accept it? Jesus did. Jesus said his father is the only true God. And Jesus did not teach the trinity. That's good enough for me. Why is it not good enough for you?
 
For that reason I strongly discourage discussing John 1:1 with JWs because the
grammatical ground they stand on is just as solid as ours.
Stunning confession.

Yet, the claim of equality does not stand up to scrutiny. Words are things but the Supreme Being, YHWH, is a person, a Being and not a thing. Ergo, the authority of YHWH's words are not YHWH. Hence the switch from capital-God to lowercase-god, the sense of the word is different. See your favorite lexicon.

Of course the Society prefers that The Word be a lower case god because that
spelling is agreeable with their version of his status
There is no personal status to words. To even think like this shows how much you read your doctrine into Scripture.

John 1:1 is not talking about Jesus but the literal utterances of YHWH. And no, I am not JW. What's shocking is how trinitarians make their doctrine seem like the central message of Scripture when there is no trinity in the Bible - not the word, not the concept.

Jesus is the Jewish Messiah born under the law, required to believe the one God of Judahism, YHWH. There is no evidence Jesus ever stopped being Jewish. All the Biblical writers with the possible exception of Luke, were monotheists Jews who reject the trinity to this day. This explains why the trinity is not in the Bible - not the word, not the concept.

The name of the one true God is YHWH not Jesus (Ex 3:15) and this is the name he is to be remembered for all generations and no perverting eisegesis of John 1:1 will change that.
 
The exact same with Thomas. An exclamatory statement, not a declarative statement.
So you are promoting a Jesus who wants us to believe in exclamatory figure-of-speech statements, not in declarative real statements. Got it. May you and your exclamatory-figure-if-speech statements-way-to-salvation Jesus be happy together.

Since when has any figure of speech ever saved anyone?!? Figure of speeches makes us understand things but only real things save us.
 
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The Old Testament predicted that Messiah would be promoted to a high position.

Isa 52:13 . . Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be in high station and
will certainly be elevated and exalted very much.

The extent of Messiah's elevation and exaltation wasn't fully appreciated until the
New Testament wherein it says:

Phil 2:8-10 . .When he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself
and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake. For this very
reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name
that is above every other name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should
bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground.

God didn't merely give Jesus a high name, He gave Jesus "the" name that's above
every other name; which just about any well-trained Bible student knows is
Jehovah, per Deut 6:4.

Now maybe Jesus isn't actually Jehovah, but nevertheless he has the God given
right to identify himself as Jehovah, and to be worshipped as Jehovah. Refusal to
give Jesus the reverence due the name of Jehovah is a blasphemous show of
disrespect for the name of God.


FAQ: But doesn't Phil 2:8-10 contradict Isa 42:8 where it says: "I am Jehovah. That
is my name; and to no one else shall I give My own glory"


NOTE: I think it best to understand that verse as saying God won't allow Himself to
be supplanted. I really don't think its saying He won't willingly share His name
and/or His glory with His favorite son, i.e. the son that God loves and admires more
than all other creatures: either underground, above ground, or up in the sky.
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Many of the Jehovah's Witnesses going door-to-door throughout the world are
honestly, and sincerely, wanting to enter the kingdom of God on Earth; which is
why I'm convinced that normal Christians really ought to know something about
"hope" as it's depicted in the New Testament before engaging JWs in a conversation
about the kingdom.

1Pet 3:15 . . Always be ready to make a defense before everyone that demands
of you a reason for the hope in you,

The New Testament Greek word for "hope" in Peter's instructions is elpis (el pece')
which means to anticipate (usually with pleasure) and to expect with confidence.
Note the elements of anticipation, expectation, and confidence.

In other words: elpis hope is a know-so hope rather than a cross your fingers hope.

So, unless someone knows for proof-positive, beyond even the slightest glimmer of
sensible doubt, that they have a passport to the kingdom of God locked in and
irrevocable, then of course it is impossible for them to comply with Peter's
instructions seeing as they would not yet have the kind of hope about which he
wrote.

Rom 12:12 . . Rejoice in the hope.

When people are praying for the best, while in the back of their mind dreading the
worst, they have absolutely no cause for rejoicing; but they do have plenty of cause
to fear the unknown.

Elpis hope is one of the three primary elements of Christianity. (1Cor 13:13)

It's also a calling. (Eph 4:4)

When people are lacking the kind of hope described by the Greek word elpis, then I
believe it's safe to assume that 1) God has not yet called them, 2) they have
refused His call and/or 3) they're not on His list of viable candidates for kingdom
citizenship.
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The trinity debunked again. The Greek word of God is theos. There are not just the 3 that might be referred to kurios but dozens of lords in Scripture yet only one theos.

Beyond that, the all mighty Creator YHWH god is a Being, (supreme being to be exact), not a thing. And we all know that words are things. So, obviously not Jesus' god. In modern parlance, we would not use capitals but switch from the definite to indefinite article. Oxen with THE champion and oxen for a champion. In our language, this makes it clear that we are talking about different "champions" with no mysticism involved in how a champ can be with THE champ and remains a champ.
In Greek for the true God, that word ends in v= God--the one that ends in g= god--the word was called the one that ended in g. The true God always called the word ending in v.
 
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John 14:16-17 . . I will request the Father and he will give you another helper to
be with you forever, the spirit of the truth, which the world cannot receive, because
it neither beholds it nor knows it. You know it, because it remains with you and is in
you.

John 14:26 . .The helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name,
that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told
you.

Rank and file JWs are taught to believe that they obtain boldness in speaking the
word of God, and zealousness in engaging in the work of witnessing, from "having"
the holy spirit. (pg 382, Reasoning From The Scriptures)

However; when speaking of "having" the holy spirit, the JWs mean that it is
alongside them rather than inside them. Only a special guild of 144,000 JWs
are believed to actually have the spirit inside them. The special guild are known
as the anointed class; a label taken from 1John 2:27.

The non-anointed class-- a.k.a. the great crowd, a.k.a. the hewers of wood and
haulers of water --are in a very serious condition. Here's why:

Rom 8:9 . .You are in harmony, not with the flesh, but with the spirit, if God's
spirit truly dwells in you.

Seeing as how God's spirit does not truly dwell "in" John Que and Jane Doe
missionary, then they are, by default, in harmony with the flesh. That only makes
things worse.

Rom 8:5-8 . . For those who are in accord with the flesh set their minds on the
things of the flesh, but those in accord with the spirit on the things of the spirit. For
the minding of the flesh means death, but the minding of the spirit means life and
peace; because the minding of the flesh means enmity with God, for it is not under
subjection to the law of God, nor, in fact, can it be. So those who are in harmony
with the flesh cannot please God.

The non-anointed class' situation is just too ironic for words. They displease God,
and He displeases them; yet they go door-to-door sincerely believing themselves
Jehovah's friends and allies.
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A mediator is defined as one who interposes between two parties at variance to
reconcile them, viz: an intercessor.

Here's a question that someone wrote in to the questions from readers section of
the April 01, 1976 issue of Watchtower magazine, asking:

"Is Jesus the mediator only for anointed Christians? (a.k.a. the 144,000)"

The answer given in the magazine is YES.

The magazine's answer is corroborated on page 1130 of the Society's publication
titled "Aid To Bible Understanding" where it says that the 144,000 are the only ones
who have the mediator; a.k.a. Jesus Christ. (1John 2:1)

Intercession for non anointed Witnesses is accomplished on the coattails of the
144,000; viz: Jesus Christ is an indirect, second party mediator for the rank and file
via their affiliation with the Watchtower Society.

It's sort of like buying insurance from Allstate. The company doesn't sell direct; its
business is conducted through brokers. In essence, that's what the Society
presumes itself: Jesus Christ's mediation brokerage.

So then; when a JW either defects or is disfellowshipped, their pipeline to the
mediator is broken, and they right quick lose all contact with God; thus placing
themselves in grave danger of the calamities depicted in the book of Revelation.

Bottom line: According to Watchtower Society theology; it is impossible for non
anointed people to be on peaceful terms with God apart from affiliation with the
Society's anointed class, a.k.a. the faithful and wise steward.

In other words: Christ's mediation for rank and file JWs as per 1Tim 2:5 is
accomplished via a chain of benevolence that begins with Christ's association with
the faithful and wise steward; and from thence to the rest of humanity. Removing
the faithful and wise steward from the chain cuts humanity off from Christ; thus
leaving them with no way to reconcile with God.


NOTE: I've had JWs tell me that the Watchtower magazine isn't their authority in
matters of faith and practice. But the Jan 1, 1942 issue of the magazine, on page 5,
speaks for itself as a trustworthy source of Watchtower Society theology by saying:

"Those who are convinced that The Watchtower is publishing the opinion or
expression of a man should not waste time in looking at it at all. Those who believe
that God uses the Watchtower as a means of communicating to his people, or of
calling attention to his prophecies, should study The Watchtower.
"

In other words: the haulers of water and the hewers of wood-- John Que and Jane
Doe rank and file --are not only expected to know what's in the Watchtower
magazine, but they're also required to accept it as God's providence.
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Below is a disclaimer taken from Paragraph 12 under the heading of "Who is
leading God's People today?" located in the Feb 2017 Watchtower--Study Edition.

"The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in
doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watchtower Publications
Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our
Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful
slave would produce perfect spiritual food.
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Just imagine the degree of confusion and insecurity that would pervade the minds
of Bible-believing Christians had the authors of the New Testament scriptures
attached a disclaimer to their writings similar to the above!
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A mediator is defined as one who interposes between two parties at variance to
reconcile them, viz: an intercessor.

Here's a question that someone wrote in to the questions from readers section of
the April 01, 1976 issue of Watchtower magazine, asking:

"Is Jesus the mediator only for anointed Christians? (a.k.a. the 144,000)"

The answer given in the magazine is YES.

The magazine's answer is corroborated on page 1130 of the Society's publication
titled "Aid To Bible Understanding" where it says that the 144,000 are the only ones
who have the mediator; a.k.a. Jesus Christ. (1John 2:1)

Intercession for non anointed Witnesses is accomplished on the coattails of the
144,000; viz: Jesus Christ is an indirect, second party mediator for the rank and file
via their affiliation with the Watchtower Society.

It's sort of like buying insurance from Allstate. The company doesn't sell direct; its
business is conducted through brokers. In essence, that's what the Society
presumes itself: Jesus Christ's mediation brokerage.

So then; when a JW either defects or is disfellowshipped, their pipeline to the
mediator is broken, and they right quick lose all contact with God; thus placing
themselves in grave danger of the calamities depicted in the book of Revelation.

Bottom line: According to Watchtower Society theology; it is impossible for non
anointed people to be on peaceful terms with God apart from affiliation with the
Society's anointed class, a.k.a. the faithful and wise steward.

In other words: Christ's mediation for rank and file JWs as per 1Tim 2:5 is
accomplished via a chain of benevolence that begins with Christ's association with
the faithful and wise steward; and from thence to the rest of humanity. Removing
the faithful and wise steward from the chain cuts humanity off from Christ; thus
leaving them with no way to reconcile with God.


NOTE: I've had JWs tell me that the Watchtower magazine isn't their authority in
matters of faith and practice. But the Jan 1, 1942 issue of the magazine, on page 5,
speaks for itself as a trustworthy source of Watchtower Society theology by saying:

"Those who are convinced that The Watchtower is publishing the opinion or
expression of a man should not waste time in looking at it at all. Those who believe
that God uses the Watchtower as a means of communicating to his people, or of
calling attention to his prophecies, should study The Watchtower.
"

In other words: the haulers of water and the hewers of wood-- John Que and Jane
Doe rank and file --are not only expected to know what's in the Watchtower
magazine, but they're also required to accept it as God's providence.
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Keep em coming good posts !
 
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A mediator is defined as one who interposes between two parties at variance to
reconcile them, viz: an intercessor.

Here's a question that someone wrote in to the questions from readers section of
the April 01, 1976 issue of Watchtower magazine, asking:

"Is Jesus the mediator only for anointed Christians? (a.k.a. the 144,000)"

The answer given in the magazine is YES.

The magazine's answer is corroborated on page 1130 of the Society's publication
titled "Aid To Bible Understanding" where it says that the 144,000 are the only ones
who have the mediator; a.k.a. Jesus Christ. (1John 2:1)

Intercession for non anointed Witnesses is accomplished on the coattails of the
144,000; viz: Jesus Christ is an indirect, second party mediator for the rank and file
via their affiliation with the Watchtower Society.

It's sort of like buying insurance from Allstate. The company doesn't sell direct; its
business is conducted through brokers. In essence, that's what the Society
presumes itself: Jesus Christ's mediation brokerage.

So then; when a JW either defects or is disfellowshipped, their pipeline to the
mediator is broken, and they right quick lose all contact with God; thus placing
themselves in grave danger of the calamities depicted in the book of Revelation.

Bottom line: According to Watchtower Society theology; it is impossible for non
anointed people to be on peaceful terms with God apart from affiliation with the
Society's anointed class, a.k.a. the faithful and wise steward.

In other words: Christ's mediation for rank and file JWs as per 1Tim 2:5 is
accomplished via a chain of benevolence that begins with Christ's association with
the faithful and wise steward; and from thence to the rest of humanity. Removing
the faithful and wise steward from the chain cuts humanity off from Christ; thus
leaving them with no way to reconcile with God.


NOTE: I've had JWs tell me that the Watchtower magazine isn't their authority in
matters of faith and practice. But the Jan 1, 1942 issue of the magazine, on page 5,
speaks for itself as a trustworthy source of Watchtower Society theology by saying:

"Those who are convinced that The Watchtower is publishing the opinion or
expression of a man should not waste time in looking at it at all. Those who believe
that God uses the Watchtower as a means of communicating to his people, or of
calling attention to his prophecies, should study The Watchtower.
"

In other words: the haulers of water and the hewers of wood-- John Que and Jane
Doe rank and file --are not only expected to know what's in the Watchtower
magazine, but they're also required to accept it as God's providence.
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Thanks for all those excellent insights into the internal workings of that organization.
 
In Greek for the true God, that word ends in v= God--the one that ends in g= god--the word was called the one that ended in g. The true God always called the word ending in v.
A little too esoteric for me. But I’m glad you delve into the original language. It just goes to show the trinitarians have no linguistic leg to stand on.

Nonsense is nonsense in any language.
 
A little too esoteric for me. But I’m glad you delve into the original language. It just goes to show the trinitarians have no linguistic leg to stand on.

Nonsense is nonsense in any language.
Its the exact opposite the scholarship is with us,

Omission of the article with "Theos" does not mean the word is "a god." If we examine the passages where the article is not used with "Theos" we see the rendering "a god" makes no sense (Mt 5:9, 6:24; Lk 1:35, 78; 2:40; Jn 1:6, 12, 13, 18; 3:2, 21; 9:16, 33; Ro 1:7, 17, 18; 1 Co 1:30; 15:10; Phil 2:11, 13; Titus 1:1). The "a god" position would have the Jehovah's Witnesses translate every instance where the article is absent. As "a god (nominative), of a god (genitive), to or for a god (dative)." But they do not! "Theou" is the genitive case of the SAME noun "Theos" which they translate as "a god" in John 1:1. But they do not change "Theou" "of God" (Jehovah), in Matthew 5:9, Luke 1:35, 78; and John 1:6. The J.W.’s are not consistent in their biblical hermeneutics they have a bias which is clearly seen throughout their bible.

Other examples-In Jn.4:24 "God is Spirit, not a spirit. In 1 Jn .4:16 "God is love, we don’t translate this a love. In 1 Jn.1:5 "God is light" he is not a light or a lesser light.

WHAT DO GREEK SCHOLARS THINK ABOUT JEHOVAH'S WITNESS TRANSLATION OF JOHN 1:1?

Dr. J. J. Griesback
: "So numerous and clear are the arguments and testimonies of Scriptures in favor of the true Deity of Christ, that I can hardly imagine how, upon the admission of the Divine authority of Scripture, and with regard to fair rules of interpretation, this doctrine can by any man be called in doubt. Especially the passage John 1:1 is so clear and so superior to all exception, that by no daring efforts of either commentators or critics can it be snatched out of the hands of the defenders of the truth."

Dr. Eugene A. Nida (Head of the Translation Department of the American Bible Society Translators of the GOOD NEWS BIBLE): "With regard to John 1:1 there is, of course, a complication simply because the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION was apparently done by persons who did not take seriously the syntax of the Greek". ( Bill and Joan Cetnar Questions for Jehovah's Witnesses "who love the truth" p..55

Dr. William Barclay (University of Glasgow, Scotland): "The deliberate distortion of truth by this sect is seen in their New Testament translations. John 1:1 translated:'. . . the Word was a god'.a translation which is grammatically impossible. it is abundantly clear that a sect which can translate the New Testament like that is intellectually dishonest. THE EXPOSITORY TIMES Nov, 1985

Dr. B. F. Westcott (Whose Greek text is used in JW KINGDOM INTERLINEAR): "The predicate (God) stands emphatically first, as in 4:24. It is necessarily without the article . . . No idea of inferiority of nature is suggested by the form of expression, which simply affirms the true Deity of the Word . . . in the third clause `the Word' is declared to be `God' and so included in the unity of the Godhead." The Gospel According to St. John (Eerdmans,1953- reprint) p. 3, (The Bible Collector, July-December, 1971, p. 12.)

Dr. Anthony Hoekema, commented: Their New World Translation of the Bible is by no means an objective rendering of the sacred text into Modern English, but is a biased translation in which many of the peculiar teachings of the Watchtower Society are smuggled into the text of the Bible itself (The Four Major Cults, pp. 238, 239].

Dr. Ernest C. Colwell (University of Chicago): "A definite predicate nominative has the article when it follows the verb; it does not have the article when it precedes the verb; . . .this statement cannot be regarded as strange in the prologue of the gospel which reaches its climax in the confession of Thomas. `My Lord and my God.' " John 20:28

Dr. F. F. Bruce (University of Manchester, England): "Much is made by Arian amateur grammarians of the omission of the definite article with `God' in the phrase `And the Word was God'. Such an omission is common with nouns in a predicate construction. `a god' would be totally indefensible."

Dr. Paul L. Kaufman (Portland OR.): "The Jehovah's Witness people evidence an abysmal ignorance of the basic tenets of Greek grammar in their mistranslation of John 1:1."

Dr. Charles L. Feinberg (La Mirada CA.): "I can assure you that the rendering which the Jehovah's Witnesses give John 1:1 is not held by any reputable Greek scholar."

Dr. Robert Countess, who wrote a doctoral dissertation on the Greek text of the New World Translation, concluded that the The Christ of the New World Translation "has been sharply unsuccessful in keeping doctrinal considerations from influencing the actual translation .... It must be viewed as a radically biased piece of work. At some points it is actually dishonest. At others it is neither modern nor scholarly "78 No wonder British scholar H.H. Rowley asserted, "From beginning to end this volume is a shining example of how the Bible should not be translated."79 Indeed, Rowley said, this translation is "an insult to the Word of God."

Dr. Harry A. Sturz: (Dr. Sturz is Chairman of the Language Department and Professor of Greek at Biola College) "Therefore, the NWT rendering: "the Word was a god" is not a "literal" but an ungrammatical and tendential translation. A literal translation in English can be nothing other than: "the word was God." THE BIBLE COLLECTOR July - December, 1971 p. 12

Dr. J. Johnson of California State University, Long Beach. When asked to comment on the Greek, said, "No justification whatsoever for translating theos en ho logos as 'the Word was a god'. There is no syntactical parallel to Acts 23:6 where there is a statement in indirect discourse. Jn.1:1 is direct.. I am neither a Christian nor a Trinitarian.

DO ANY REPUTABLE GREEK SCHOLARS AGREE WITH THE NEW WORLD TRANSLATION OF JOHN 1:1?

A. T. Robertson
: "So in John 1:1 theos en ho logos the meaning has to be the Logos was God, -not God was the Logos." A New short Grammar of the Greek Testament, AT. Robertson and W. Hersey Davis (Baker Book House, p. 279.

E. M. Sidebottom:"...the tendency to write 'the Word was divine' for theos en ho Iogos springs from a reticence to attribute the full Christian position to john. The Christ of the Fourth Gospel (S.P.C.K., 1961), p. 461.

C. K. Barrett: "The absence of the article indicates that the Word is God, but is not the only being of whom this is true; if ho theos had been written it would have implied that no divine being existed outside the second person of the Trinity." The Gospel According to St. John (S.P.C.K., 1955), p. 76.

C. H. Dodd: "On this analogy, the meaning of _theos en ho logos will be that the ousia of ho logos, that which it truly is, is rightly denominated theos... That is the ousia of ho theos (the personal God of Abraham,) the Father goes without saying. In fact, the Nicene homoousios to patri is a perfect paraphrase." "New Testament Translation Problems the bible Translator, 28, 1 (Jan. 1977), P. 104.

Randolph 0. Yeager: "Only sophomores in Greek grammar are going to translate ..and the Word was a God.' The article with logos, shows that to logos is thesubject of the verb en and the fact that theos is without the article designates it as the predicate nominative. The emphatic position of theos demands that we translate '...and the Word was God.' John is not saying as Jehovah's Witnesses are fond of teaching that Jesus was only one of many Gods. He is saying precisely the opposite." The Renaissance New Testament, Vol. 4 (Renaissance Press, 1980), P. 4.

Henry Alford: "Theos must then be taken as implying God, in substance and essence,--not ho theos, 'the Father,' in person. It noes not = theios; nor is it to be rendered a God--but, as in sarx engeneto, sarx expresses that state into which the Divine Word entered by a-definite act, so in theos en, theos expresses that essence which was His en arche:--that He was very God . So that this first verse must be connected thus: the Logos was from eternity,--was with God (the Father),--and was Himself God." (Alford's Greek Testament: An Exegetical and Critical Commentary, Vol. I, Part II Guardian 'press 1976 ; originally published 1871). p. 681.

Donald Guthrie: "The absence of the article with Theos has misled some into t inking teat the correct understanding of the statement would be that 'the word was a God' (or divine), but this is grammatically indefensible since Theos is a predicate." New Testament Theology (InterVarsity Press, 1981), p. 327.

Bruce M. Metzger, Professor of New Testament Language and literature at Princeton Theological Seminary said: "Far more pernicious in this same verse is the rendering, . . . `and the Word was a god,' with the following footnotes: " `A god,' In contrast with `the God' ". It must be stated quite frankly that, if the Jehovah's Witnesses take this translation seriously, they are polytheists. In view of the additional light which is available during this age of Grace, such a representation is even more reprehensible than were the heathenish, polytheistic errors into which ancient Israel was so prone to fall. As a matter of solid fact, however, such a rendering is a frightful mistranslation." "The Jehovah's Witnesses and Jesus Christ," Theology Today (April 1953), p. 75.

James Moffatt: "'The Word was God . . .And the Word became flesh,' simply means he Word was divine . . . . And the Word became human.' The Nicene faith, in the Chalcedon definition, was intended to conserve both of these truths against theories that failed to present Jesus as truly God and truly man ...." Jesus Christ the Same (Abingdon-Cokesbury, 1945), p. 61.

E. C. Colwell: "...predicate nouns preceding the verb cannot be regarded as indefinite -or qualitative simply because they lack the article; it could be regarded as indefinite or qualitative only if this is demanded by the context,and in the case of John l:l this is not so." A Definite Rule for the Use of the Article in the Greek New Testament," Journal of Biblical Literature, 52 (1933), p. 20.

Philip B. Harner: "Perhaps the clause could be translated, 'the Word had the same nature as God.' This would be one way of representing John's thought, which is, as I understand it,"that ho logos, no less than ho theos, had the nature of theos.""(Qualitative Anarthrous Predicate Nouns Mark 15:39 and John 1:1," journal of Biblical Literature, 92, 1 (March 1973), p. 87.

Philip Harner states in the Journal of Biblical Literature, 92, 1 (March 1973) on Jn.1:1 "In vs. 1c the Johannine hymn is bordering on the usage of 'God' for the Son, but by omitting the article it avoids any suggestion of personal identification of the Word with the Father. And for Gentile readers the line also avoids any suggestion that the Word was a second God in any Hellenistic sense." (pg. 86. Harner notes the source of this quote: Brown, John I-XII, 24)

Julius R. Mantey; "Since Colwell's and Harner's article in JBL, especially that of Harner, it is neither scholarly nor reasonable to translate John 1:1 'The Word was a god.' Word-order has made obsolete and incorrect such a rendering .... In view of the preceding facts, especially because you have been quoting me out of context, I herewith request you not to quote the Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament again, which you have been doing for 24 years." Letter from Mantey to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. "A Grossly Misleading Translation .... John 1:1, which reads 'In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God,' is shockingly mistranslated, 'Originally the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god,' in a New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures, published under the auspices o Jehovah's Witnesses." Statement JR Mantey, published in various sources.

Many of these Greek scholars are world-renowned whose works the Jehovah's Witnesses have quoted in their publications to help them look reputable. Westcott is the Greek scholar who with Hort edited the Greek text of the New Testament used by the Jehovah's Witnesses. Yeager is a professor of Greek and the star pupil of Julius Mantey. Metzger is the world's leading scholar on the-textual criticism of the Greek New Testament. It is scholars of this quality who insist that John l: l cannot be taken to mean anything less than that the Word is the one true Almighty God.

I do want to say that there are some scholars that translate the word was a God or divine but they are in the very low percentages. If they were ever in a discussion with the scholars afore mentioned it would be clear they would not be able to hold a candle to their understanding. Yet JWs and a few other groups do run to these men's opinions to prop up their teaching.http://www.letusreason.org/jw38.htm

hope this helps !!!
 
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