What do 7th Day Adventists Believe ?

[Diserner]

Wiki? You go to a secular site to discover the truth concerning religion? Why not go to an Adventists site... We have more media, educational, ministry web sites than any other single denomination on the planet.

Home - 1844 Made Simple

This site consists of a few sections: the video, the slides, which you can download and use, the podcasts, and the resources. The main part is the video, which you can download or watch online either as a whole, or in sections.

1844madesimple.org

Because any certain aberrant belief groups tend to try to hide the core beliefs and history that make them look bad.

It's why even many Mormons don't know some core tenants or the real history behind them.

It's why Calvinists hide the fact that God decrees even the abuse of small children in their system.

It's a "defense mechanism" to protect distasteful things by hiding them.

Now, if you honestly wanted to stand for the truth. you'd take the time to explain exactly what was miscommunicated.

 

[Brakelite]

Cause a "prophetess" made a mistake, and they had to clean it up somehow.

When Miller started preaching, opening one of the greatest revivals in American history, the churches at that time were dead. Those that wanted to listen to and follow Miller were thrown out of their churches. They were Presbyterians, Methodists, and Baptists and others, and were part of a global movement that awakened people that the last days were approaching, and the signs of the times had already begun. This was the focus and people really did humble themselves in repentance and found Jesus as their Saviour.
Miller peached mainly in the north. He had discovered 1844 in the prophecies after having already established a sound exegetical understanding of Daniel and Revelation. 1844 had a solid foundation. Daniel 8:14.

 

[Brakelite]

certain aberrant belief groups try to hide

We've nothing to hide. As I said, there are more web sites available for genuine seekers within the Adventist framework than any other denomination. That isn't hiding. The information is all there. Even that web site I referred you to dealing precisely and openly on the very subject we are discussing. If you're not ready for a Bible study them don't bother. That's fine. But go slowly when criticising others who have studied.

 

[Brakelite]

Wasn't it Miller who wrongly prophesied the wrong date? I'm curious what was the timeline difference between Ellen White and Miller and if the two ever met?

Ellen White was a young teenager when Miller was out and about. She was one of only 50 out of 50,000 odd who continued to study scripture after the Disappointment. Most were in the 20s and 30s. They were seriously seeking the truth, not inventing stuff to cover mistakes, because they knew the awakening was real. So they were seeking God for the explanation. You don't have to buy it, but it's a biblical based doctrine, the investigative judgement. Not executive judgement, that's still to come. But the judgement that the angel spoke of in Revelation 14... The hour of His judgement has come. After which the gospel is to be presented still. So it isn't a final judgement, but it fits have the old testament types and sanctuary related Day of Atonement as direct evidence. Redemption did not finish at the cross.

 

[synergy]

Wiki? You go to a secular site to discover the truth concerning religion? Why not go to an Adventists site... We have more media, educational, ministry web sites than any other single denomination on the planet.

Home - 1844 Made Simple

This site consists of a few sections: the video, the slides, which you can download and use, the podcasts, and the resources. The main part is the video, which you can download or watch online either as a whole, or in sections.

1844madesimple.org

The key to understanding the phrase "judgment by works and salvation by faith" is the Book of James. No need to search any further than James 2 and particularly James 2:24. Man is justified by works and not by faith alone. James is a masterpiece Epistle that consolidates the dynamics of good works and faith. Let's start with that and then we can discuss the Book of Hebrews and then Dan 8:14.

 

[Brakelite]

The key to understanding the phrase "judgment by works and salvation by faith" is the Book of James. No need to search any further than James 2 and particularly James 2:24. Man is justified by works and not by faith alone. James is a masterpiece Epistle that consolidates the dynamics of good works and faith. Let's start with that and then we can discuss the Book of Hebrews and then Dan 8:14.

I have absolutely no argument, and nor does my church, with a harmonious relationship between faith and works, the primary form of work being obedience.

 

[synergy]

I have absolutely no argument, and nor does my church, with a harmonious relationship between faith and works, the primary form of work being obedience.

Ok. That's good to hear. So what is it about the OT sanctuary and its practices that sets the SDA Church's understanding of it apart from other Churches? Please forward Bible passages whenever Biblical support is needed.

 

[civic]

Wiki? You go to a secular site to discover the truth concerning religion? Why not go to an Adventists site... We have more media, educational, ministry web sites than any other single denomination on the planet.

Home - 1844 Made Simple

This site consists of a few sections: the video, the slides, which you can download and use, the podcasts, and the resources. The main part is the video, which you can download or watch online either as a whole, or in sections.

1844madesimple.org

I never understood people who quote wiki as a reliable or authoritative source on Christian sites.

 

[Brakelite]

Ok. That's good to hear. So what is it about the OT sanctuary and its practices that sets the SDA Church's understanding of it apart from other Churches? Please forward Bible passages whenever Biblical support is needed.

I am not the wordsmith that some topics demand in their defence, so if you don't mind I will quote one of my favourite authors on the subject.
FOR more than a millennium God's presence on earth was associated with the sanctuary in Israel. It was soon after the exodus that God commanded Moses, “Make Me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.” Exodus 25:8. This sanctuary, also called the tabernacle, and later superseded by the temple, was God's dwelling place among men. “The tabernacle shall be sanctified by My glory,” said God. “And I will sanctify the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar: I will sanctify also both Aaron and his sons, to minister to Me in the priest's office. And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will be their God.” Exodus 29:43-45.

From the time of Moses until the time of Christ, God revealed Himself in the sanctuary, and there communicated with His people. Said God, “I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy scat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.” Exodus 25:22. Besides this, God also talked with Moses “at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the Lord.” Exodus 29:42.
As God's dwelling place, among men, the sanctuary must ever be of deep and abiding interest to the believing child of God. When, in addition, we understand that the tabernacle and its services were symbolic of “the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man,” the “greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands,” and that Christ is “a minister of the sanctuary” in heaven. When we also understand that the services of the tabernacle on earth were symbolic of the higher service above, that the entire ritual and all the sacrifices on the earthly altars pointed to the true Lamb of God, the sanctuary becomes of still more importance. In it the gospel is foreshadowed and some of the deep things of God revealed.

Christians would do well to study more diligently the sanctuary and its services. They contain precious lessons for the devout student. Too many have failed to give study to Christ's high priestly ministry and His session at the right hand of God. They are not acquainted with Him as High Priest, though this work is the very essence of Christianity, the heart of the atonement.

And from our church's "Fundamental Beliefs"...

 

[Brakelite]

Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary (DISTINCTIVE)
There is a sanctuary in heaven, the true tabernacle that the Lord set up and not humans. In it Christ ministers on our behalf, making available to believers the benefits of His atoning sacrifice offered once for all on the cross. At His ascension, He was inaugurated as our great High Priest and, began His intercessory ministry, which was typified by the work of the high priest in the holy place of the earthly sanctuary. In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry, which was typified by the work of the high priest in the most holy place of the earthly sanctuary. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus. The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion of this ministry of Christ will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent. (Lev. 16; Num. 14:34; Ezek. 4:6; Dan. 7:9-27; 8:13, 14; 9:24-27; Heb. 1:3; 2:16, 17; 4:14-16; 8:1-5; 9:11-28; 10:19- 22; Rev. 8:3-5; 11:19; 14:6, 7; 20:12; 14:12; 22:11, 12.)

The first quote above is the Preface from a book by M L Andreason, The Sanctuary Service, in which he goes into great detail and deep thought concerning the sacrifices, rituals, and religious calender of the Jewish people of the OT.

 

[Brakelite]

I never understood people who quote wiki as a reliable or authoritative source on Christian sites.

As you may be aware, the are several web sites run by ex Adventists explaining (or justifying) why they now reject Adventist teaching. It is interesting that many Christians resort to these sites in order to "prove or justify" their reluctance to accept Adventistism as a Christian denomination. They are also reluctant it seems to go to an actual Adventist source for what we actually do teach, and why we teach it.

 

[civic]

As you may be aware, the are several web sites run by ex Adventists explaining (or justifying) why they now reject Adventist teaching. It is interesting that many Christians resort to these sites in order to "prove or justify" their reluctance to accept Adventistism as a Christian denomination. They are also reluctant it seems to go to an actual Adventist source for what we actually do teach, and why we teach it.

Thanks for the heads up and I don't like any group, faith,person,doctrine to be misrepresented.

 

[Brakelite]

Thanks for the heads up and I don't like any group, faith,person,doctrine to be misrepresented.

Oh boy, you have your work cut out for you.

 

[civic]

Oh boy, you have your work cut out for you.

Yes a big task and a big ask lol.

I get accused of misrepresenting calvinists by calvinists. But here is the real deal. I was a staunch calvinist for over 4 decades and know all the ins and outs of tulip, predestination and sovereignty as taught by calvinist theology since I debated non calvinists for years. The ones who accuse me I just have to quote for them a calvinists theologian saying the exact same thing I said which confirms I'm not misrepresenting them but in fact they don't actually either know or believe what calvin actually taught. So its not really me they are disagreeing with its the conclusions from their very own systematic theology that are having troubles with and I'm just pointing that out to them.

 

[Diserner]

I never understood people who quote wiki as a reliable or authoritative source on Christian sites.

Who do you think is likely to be more biased?

A disinterested 3rd party, or the group trying to look good?

It's just logical.

To insinuate wiki has no reliable information is preposterous, and everything can be looked up.

Just a silly and illogical objection, like a throw away.

Not to mention we won't bring up the propensity of certain on here to constantly site 3rd party websites and paste entire uncited, unread, and unsourced articles. Some are virtually reproducing entire websites onto a forum.

Consistency is not some people's strong suit.

 

[civic]

if any tom dick or harry can edit wiki its not reliable at all and in fact its quite the opposite- unreliable.

 

[Fred]

We've nothing to hide.

According to Seventh-day Adventists, what is the specific time that all Christians everywhere on the earth are to obey the 7th day Sabbath?

 

[synergy]

Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary (DISTINCTIVE)
There is a sanctuary in heaven, the true tabernacle that the Lord set up and not humans. In it Christ ministers on our behalf, making available to believers the benefits of His atoning sacrifice offered once for all on the cross. At His ascension, He was inaugurated as our great High Priest and, began His intercessory ministry, which was typified by the work of the high priest in the holy place of the earthly sanctuary. In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry, which was typified by the work of the high priest in the most holy place of the earthly sanctuary. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus. The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion of this ministry of Christ will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent. (Lev. 16; Num. 14:34; Ezek. 4:6; Dan. 7:9-27; 8:13, 14; 9:24-27; Heb. 1:3; 2:16, 17; 4:14-16; 8:1-5; 9:11-28; 10:19- 22; Rev. 8:3-5; 11:19; 14:6, 7; 20:12; 14:12; 22:11, 12.)

The first quote above is the Preface from a book by M L Andreason, The Sanctuary Service, in which he goes into great detail and deep thought concerning the sacrifices, rituals, and religious calender of the Jewish people of the OT.

Thank you for all that information. I read what you forwarded and I have a few questions and comments. I honestly did not go to any anti-SDA website to pull out any of their ideas. From my limited understanding of the Bible, these are the comments and questions I have:

1. Your author mentions that Jesus “entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry” in 1844. What Bible verse makes mention of these 2nd and 3rd phases?
2. Your author mentions that the 2nd & 3rd phases take place “in the most holy place of the earthly sanctuary”. Where is that place exactly on earth?
3. John 16:7-11 mentions the Convicting Ministry of the Holy Spirit. Is that what your author is talking about by the phrase “investigative judgment”?
4. Jesus is “Minister (λειτουργος) of the sanctuary” (Heb 8:2). λειτουργος translated to English is Liturgist. Jesus is presiding over the Heavenly Liturgy that we only emulate in bits and shadows on earth as a church liturgy. I’ve never attended an SDA Church service; does your Church conduct its services as a Liturgy?

 

[Brakelite]

According to Seventh-day Adventists, what is the specific time that all Christians everywhere on the earth are to obey the 7th day Sabbath?

Sunset to sunset. Now let me ask you a question.

How is it possible to observe the Sabbath in the new earth...

KJV Isaiah 66:22-23
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

when there will be no sun in the New Jerusalem..

.KJV Revelation 21:23
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

 

[Fred]

Sunset to sunset.

For more than two months in the winter there is no sunset in Barrow, Alaska.
This demonstrates this Old Covenant command is not a universal.
It only applied to the nation of Israel - and that for a particular time period.

Now let me ask you a question.

How is it possible to observe the Sabbath in the new earth...

KJV Isaiah 66:22-23
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

The above describes the Millennial Kingdom which does not refer to the weekly 7th Day Sabbath command from the Old Covenant.
Notice from "one new moon to another" is also included.
This is speaking of a perpetual worship of the Lord.

What was foreshadowed in the OT is more fully realized in the above.

when there will be no sun in the New Jerusalem..

.KJV Revelation 21:23
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Thus, proving the 7th Day Sabbath command is not binding.