unless the falling away comes first

[Dizerner]

"Falling away" can accurately be translated ...' departure.' = The Rapture.

Many miss that.

It's a very interesting interpretation, but I don't think it makes contextual sense.

Why would Paul warn them about something they wouldn't even be around for anyway?

Apostasia, theologically, doesn't seem to be used in a positive sense...

 

[Ezra]

let the "Eschatological fantasies" take care of themselves.

i am by far a "Eschatological fantasies we are to warn others this post was part of gathering information to read on the subject so its by far a fantasy ---more of a fact.. if we fail to warn the lost

I'm just curious, I'm not trying to prove something or win points; what do you think Christ meant by this?

"And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!" (Mk. 13:37 NKJ)

we watch by being ready //if we are truly ready that day will not over take us. those who are saved and read the Bible can see that day is drawing near. to me watching is not sleeping. be aware.. imo we dont need binoculars to scan the sky. if we have spiritual eyes spiritual ears we will see and we will heard. to be honest bible prophecy is unfolding before our very eyes

 

[Ezra]

It's a very interesting interpretation, but I don't think it makes contextual sense.

Why would Paul warn them about something they wouldn't even be around for anyway?

Apostasia, theologically, doesn't seem to be used in a positive sense...

i cant agree it meaning the rapture because when the falling away takes place the man of sin will be revealed

 

[Dizerner]

i cant agree it meaning the rapture because when the falling away takes place the man of sin will be revealed

Some people think Christians will be gone when the Antichrist is revealed.

They think the rapture and end times will actually bring new converts, who then are the ones said to be martyred by the Antichrist.

This, however, seems a bit ad hoc; there seems to be plenty of warning that we may need to lay our lives down at that time.

 

[Ezra]

Some people think Christians will be gone when the Antichrist is revealed.

They think the rapture and end times will actually bring new converts, who then are the ones said to be martyred by the Antichrist.

This, however, seems a bit ad hoc; there seems to be plenty of warning that we may need to lay our lives down at that time.

your first sentence i am in agreement with says on he who will let the He is the restrainer the Holy spirit. those who truly watch will be able to spot the man of sin. once the Church is taken out He the man of sin will have free reign. there is a teach on martyred salvation you would literally have to chose to die for the sake of Christ.. while the Holy spirit that abides in us will be gone. it will take pure self will .


i dont plan on being hear when the man of sin has free reign . every one is entitled to how they believe

 

[Dizerner]

while the Holy spirit that abides in us will be gone. it will take pure self will .

I've never heard this, lol. This is certainly unbiblical.

It's important to trust in grace at all times—and especially those times we need extra help to carry us through.

i dont plan on being hear when the man of sin has free reign . every one is entitled to how they believe

Yeah, I don't think that's how truth works though.

We should seek God to be prepared, Scripture clearly tells us to do that.

 

[Ezra]

We should seek God to be prepared, Scripture clearly tells us to do that.

agree

 

[Dizerner]

agree

It can surely be scary to consider the challenges, and that many will forsake the Lord because of the price.

But it is not so scary if you have come to place that you trust God to give you the strength you need.

In fact, you can completely rest in that.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I'm just curious, I'm not trying to prove something or win points; what do you think Christ meant by this?

"And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!" (Mk. 13:37 NKJ)

Simple enough - when you see biblical events occurring, then be aware that it's the "Season" when Jesus WILL RETURN - when it's time.

When "Date setters" come with their "Holy Spirit Supplied Authoritative Predicitions", just smile, and walk away.

Hey!!! I've got a book that PROVES SCRIPTURALLY BEYOND THE POSSIBILITY OF ERROR, that the "Rapture" will happen during the Feast of Trumpets in 1988!!! Gives 88 reasons why it MUST BE TRUE!!!!

I can hardly wait!!!

 

[Ezra]

I've never heard this, lol. This is certainly unbiblical.

It's important to trust in grace at all times—and especially those times we need extra help to carry us through.

you have never heard what only He who will let


2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth ( the holy spirit) that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. ( when the Church is took out the Holy spirit as we know it goes to. the spirit abides in us )

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, ( after the Church is called out ) whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[Ezra]

When "Date setters" come with their "Holy Spirit Supplied Authoritative Predicitions", just smile, and walk away.

i agree no body can predict the exact date time Christ returns

 

[Ezra]

It can surely be scary to consider the challenges, and that many will forsake the Lord because of the price.

But it is not so scary if you have come to place that you trust God to give you the strength you need.

In fact, you can completely rest in that.

that i can agree with

 

[Dizerner]

you have never heard what only He who will let

God never requires us to depend on our own self-will and strength.

That's simply anti-grace and unbiblical.

If the Holy Spirit ever leaves—we will be gone too.

 

[Dizerner]

6 And now ye know what withholdeth ( the holy spirit) that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. ( when the Church is took out the Holy spirit as we know it goes to. the spirit abides in us )

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, ( after the Church is called out ) whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Yes, I've always thought it was the Spirit.

I would say this represents the half way of the 7 year end time period.

For the first half the Antichrist will not be fully "revealed" but will be present doing things.

I'm not 100% sure of this interpretation though, still praying about it.

 

[GeneZ]

It's a very interesting interpretation, but I don't think it makes contextual sense.

Why would Paul warn them about something they wouldn't even be around for anyway?

Apostasia, theologically, doesn't seem to be used in a positive sense...

That is why they should not have to worry.... For they would not be there.

They had been getting all sorts of fake news.
Remember. this was all new to them.

They were getting hit with all sorts of false reports...

So? Paul made it simple to put all the lies to rest...

"Don't worry. If the lies really happened?
You would have to be gone for it to happen!
So? Knowing that? Rest assured, it could not have happened!"

2 Thessalonians 2:2-3a​

​

Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, ​

we ask you, brothers, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a ​

spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. ​

Let no one deceive you in any way. "​

There is another parts of the Bible where apostasia was actually translated "depart." My pastor covered that as well,
but right now I would have to dig into the recorded lessons to find it.

Here is another reference.

You may need to hold down the Ctrl button, and tap the + button to make it large enough to read.

https://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1081&context=pretrib_arch

grace and peace ...................

 

[Dizerner]

There is another parts of the Bible where apostasia was actually translated "depart." My pastor covered that as well,
but right now I would have to dig into the recorded lessons to find it.

Yes, but these are all in a non-theological context.

Departing theologically is usually from the faith, not departing in a good way.

If Paul simply meant to say "Don't worry about it AT ALL," then I don't think he would give criteria for us to know by.

 

[Ezra]

Departing theologically is usually from the faith, not departing in a good way.

yes apostasy

 

[GeneZ]

Yes, but these are all in a non-theological context.

Departing theologically is usually from the faith, not departing in a good way.

If Paul simply meant to say "Don't worry about it AT ALL," then I don't think he would give criteria for us to know by.

Oye!

How can there be a great apostasy first?
That would mean Jesus would return after the dark ages before the Reformation!
Its too late for that to be the meaning.

 

[Ezra]

How can there be a great apostasy first?
That would mean Jesus would return after the dark ages before the Reformation!
Its too late for that to be the meaning.

say what? you 2 hash it out im going bed unless you will be up at 4:30 a.m

 

[Dizerner]

Oye!

How can there be a great apostasy first?
That would mean Jesus would return after the dark ages before the Reformation!
Its too late for that to be the meaning.

Wouldn't it be consistent that under persecution, many will fall away from the faith?

Seems like kind of a Biblical theme.