Understanding........

TomL said:
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Replacement Theology: Its Origins, Teachings and Errors By Dr. Gary Hedrick, President of CJF Ministries - Congregation Shema Yisrael

(Minor Editing By Rabbi Loren) These are challenging and confusing times. With all the numerous and varied “winds of doctrine” that are blowing around us these days, many Christians find it difficult…
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Replacement Theology: Its Origins, Teachings and Errors By Dr.
WebOct 5, 2012 · Replacement Theology is closely associated with Reformed (or Covenant) Theology, the brand of theology historically linked to John Calvin (1509-1564) and the Protestant Reformation. Reformed/Covenant Theology, in turn, is closely associated with …

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Luther came before Calvin. Messianic Jews that I know write off his "Jews and their lies" as a cranky old Luther whine. It was written 3 years before he died.

"Although many of the early Reformers and Puritans – including even Calvin himself – wrote about the nation of Israel one day being restored by the grace of God"
 
koberstein said:
You apparently are fooled or a fool. Anything that has the word Calvinism in it is heresy and antisemitic.
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So nice of you... Listen...

I gave you information. You can look at it yourself. Calvinist Dispensationalist fight you you call "Replacement Theology" too. Go expand your knowledge.
 
TomL said:
Augustinian dispensationialists

DTS

Not the majority of Calvinists and some would exclude dispensationialists from Calvinism
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DTS is a mix and has varied over the years. Not sure about the Augustine dispensationalists comment. To me, Augustine was most certainly Amillennialistic.
 
The Rogue Tomato said:
Luther came before Calvin. Messianic Jews that I know write off his "Jews and their lies" as a cranky old Luther whine. It was written 3 years before he died.

"Although many of the early Reformers and Puritans – including even Calvin himself – wrote about the nation of Israel one day being restored by the grace of God"
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You can't trust what a Messianic Jew says about what they see as "antisemitic". Everything is "antisemitic" to them.
 
praise_yeshua said:
You can't trust what a Messianic Jew says about what they see as "antisemitic". Everything is "antisemitic" to them.
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In 1979 my best friend decided he saw himself not as a “Christian,” but as a “Messianic Jew.” John had come from a secular Jewish background and was actually a practicing Hindu before he met Jesus. Then, for three years he was active in a Bible-believing Christian church.

But now he felt called to reconnect with his Jewish roots, join a Messianic synagogue, keep a kosher home, and raise his children Jewish. He saw no contradiction between following Jesus as Messiah and identifying—ethnically and religiously—as Jewish.

Like most Christians in the 1970s, I initially reacted with skepticism, quoting biblical texts I thought rejected kashrut (the Jewish dietary laws) as contrary to our liberty in Christ to him. I gradually learned that those texts could be understood differently, and came to respect the legitimacy of the fledgling Messianic movement—but not before I hurt my friend by my hostility to his effort to explore his identity as a Jewish follower of Jesus.

The wider Jewish community also reacted negatively. Most saw Messianic Judaism as “simply repackaging centuries-old efforts to convert Jews, destroying Jewish identity. To them Messianic Jews were not Jews at all. Recently, however, some Jewish scholars have cautiously suggested that Messianic Jews who faithfully observe Torah and halakha, who participate constructively in the life of the Jewish community, and who pass on Jewish traditions to their children are in error but must be recognized as fellow Jews.
 
TomL said:
No actually you were

Your statement was

"Good thing no one teaches that God has to compell anyone to do what He has determined to occur."


that was shown to be false
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Actually it wasn't for the reasons stated. Compelling is not coercion. Hence you play games only offer one definition to the one word. Again, if your simply going to keep repeating yourself I am done here. I do not wish to Play childish games. Good day
 
Presby02 said:
Actually it wasn't for the reasons stated. Compelling is not coercion. Hence you play games only offer one definition to the one word. Again, if your simply going to keep repeating yourself I am done here. I do not wish to Play childish games. Good day
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You are conflating issues

Your original claim

"Good thing no one teaches that God has to compell anyone to do what He has determined to occur."

It was an error
 
Presby02 said:
It is? Show me one that mentioned libertarian free will. Do some cherry picking as you and yours love to do.

Good thing no one teaches that God has to compell anyone to do what He has determined to occur.
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How's going Presby02? Just for clarification if you don't mind that last line in the above post was sarcasm was it not?
 
The Rogue Tomato said:
Luther came before Calvin. Messianic Jews that I know write off his "Jews and their lies" as a cranky old Luther whine. It was written 3 years before he died.

"Although many of the early Reformers and Puritans – including even Calvin himself – wrote about the nation of Israel one day being restored by the grace of God"
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Restored how?

Restored as a covenant people of God separate from the church ?
 
Khazar said:
In 1979 my best friend decided he saw himself not as a “Christian,” but as a “Messianic Jew.” John had come from a secular Jewish background and was actually a practicing Hindu before he met Jesus. Then, for three years he was active in a Bible-believing Christian church.

But now he felt called to reconnect with his Jewish roots, join a Messianic synagogue, keep a kosher home, and raise his children Jewish. He saw no contradiction between following Jesus as Messiah and identifying—ethnically and religiously—as Jewish.

Like most Christians in the 1970s, I initially reacted with skepticism, quoting biblical texts I thought rejected kashrut (the Jewish dietary laws) as contrary to our liberty in Christ to him. I gradually learned that those texts could be understood differently, and came to respect the legitimacy of the fledgling Messianic movement—but not before I hurt my friend by my hostility to his effort to explore his identity as a Jewish follower of Jesus.

The wider Jewish community also reacted negatively. Most saw Messianic Judaism as “simply repackaging centuries-old efforts to convert Jews, destroying Jewish identity. To them Messianic Jews were not Jews at all. Recently, however, some Jewish scholars have cautiously suggested that Messianic Jews who faithfully observe Torah and halakha, who participate constructively in the life of the Jewish community, and who pass on Jewish traditions to their children are in error but must be recognized as fellow Jews.
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All of us tend to "flock" to those we "feel connected to". Which has created many denominations and many mistakes. I have a "low threshold" for redemption. I only require sincerity toward Jesus Christ. Most people are so consumed with traditions and the desire to "fit in" that they will never know what it is really know God in this life.

What I said was simply true. I say what I believe to be true. The vast majority of Messianic Judaism is no different than modern Judaism. "Christ" is nothing more than a name.....

There is nothing of lasting value to be found in any traditions associated with Messianic or modern Judaism. It is not a requirement. It is a preference at best. At worst, it is a means to reject the loving and caring nature of God in Jesus Christ.

It is ridiculous for any sensible person to accept the claims a Jew makes to privileges that no other men have. Christ died for all men. All men are equal. Those promises are Eternal and are exclusively OWNED by Messiah.
 
praise_yeshua said:
All of tend to "flock" to those we "feel connected to". Which has created many denominations and many mistakes. I have a "low threshold" for redemption. I only require sincerity toward Jesus Christ. Most people are so consumed with traditions and the desire the "fit in" that they will never know what it is really know God in this life.

What is sad was simply true. I say what I believe to be true. The vast majority of Messianic Judaism is no different than modern Judaism. "Christ" is nothing more than a name.....

There is nothing of lasting value to be found in any traditions associated with Messianic or modern Judaism. It is not a requirement. It is a preference at best. At worst, it is a means to reject the loving and caring nature of God in Jesus Christ.

It is ridiculous for any sensible person to accept the claims a Jew makes to privileges that no other men have. Christ died for all men. All men are equal. Those promises are Eternal and are exclusively OWNED by Messiah.
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That's amazing that you shared your thoughts on that because earlier I was thinking the exact same thing. Like why does it seem like human beings make salvation so complicated with our different theories and philosophies. My conclusion was an old Christian tune entitled
"Give Me Jesus. "

In the morning when I rise
In the morning when I rise
In the morning when I rise
Give me Jesus

Give me Jesus
Oh give me Jesus
You can have all this world
Oh give me Jesus

When I am alone
Oh, when I am alone
And when I am alone
Give me Jesus

Give me Jesus
Give me Jesus
You can have all this world
Give me Jesus

Give me Jesus, give me Jesus
Give me Jesus, cause it's all I need, give me Jesus

When I come to die
Oh, when I come to die
When I come to die
Give me Jesus

Give me Jesus
Give me Jesus
You can have all this world
Give me Jesus

Give me Jesus
You can have all this world
You can have all this world
You can have all this world
Give me Jesus...
 

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