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Christ came to deliver us from the curse of the law.
God is not an unloving Father who gave His law as a curse to His children, but rather He is a loving Father who knows how to give good gifts to His children, who gave it for our own good in order to teach us how to be blessed and avoid being cursed (Deuteronomy 6:24, 10:12-13). In Deuteronomy 30:15-20, obedience to God's law brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! In Deuteronomy 28, It descried the blessing of getting to live in obedience to God's law and the curse of refusing to submit to it, so the fact that those who refuse to submit to it as cursed is not a very good reason to refuse to submit to it. Being set free from the curse of the law is being set free from the curse of refusing to submit to God's law so that we can be free to enjoy the blessing of getting to live in obedience to it.

Let Paul show you this...

"""""Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; """"

Notice "DEAD to the LAW".
God's word is His instructions for how to be unified with God's word made flesh and it should not make sense to you to think that we need to reject God's word in order to become unified with God's word made flesh or to think that the way to becoming unified with Christ is by rejecting everything he accomplished through his ministry and through the cross. Rather, in order to become unified with Christ we need to die to law that was hinting us from obeying God's word, namely the law of sin.

Why?

"Because CHRIST is the END OF THE LAW....for righteousness, to everyone who believes".
Again, nothing in 9:30-10:10 has anything to do with Jesus ending God's law, but rather knowing Him is the goal of the law.
 
God is not an unloving Father who gave His law as a curse to His children,

We are not God's Children, when we are a unbelieving Christ Rejector.
You didn't know this?
Really?
So, you have to be BORN AGAIN, to become a "Son/Daughther" of God., which is His child.

The Law was given to unbelievers, to show them their unrighteousness, which then leads us to the Cross so that God, through Christ can give us the new birth, and our Salvation.


Again, nothing in 9:30-10:10 has anything to do with Jesus ending God's law, but rather knowing Him is the goal of the law.

Yes, Christ kept the law that you didn't.

You failed, as you SINNED against it.

So, HE Kept it, in our PLACE, so that by HIS finished work, God can accept us, "through Christ".

"Grace Through Faith".

Here is what i can tell you about people who want to Teach Law as Salvation.
They have no idea that there are 613 of them.
And you can't name 40, and you're not keeping the other 400 you dont even know exist.
So, lets get off this nonsense about LAW, and instead lets celebrate the Grace of God that has "redeemed us from the CURSE OF THE LAW", through the Cross of Christ.
 
We are not God's Children, when we are a unbelieving Christ Rejector.
You didn't know this?
Really?
So, you have to be BORN AGAIN, to become a "Son/Daughther" of God., which is His child.

The Law was given to unbelievers, to show them their unrighteousness, which then leads us to the Cross so that God, through Christ can give us the new birth, and our Salvation.
My point was that being free to from the curse of the law is not saying that the law itself was given as a curse, but rather the curse of the law is not obeying it. I did not suggest that unbelieving Christ rejectors are God's children. Being born again is synonymous with being a child of God, there is no one who is born again who is not also a child of God and no one who is a child of God who is not also born again. God's law leads is to Christ because it was given to teach us how to know Him (Exodus 33:13, Matthew 7:23), or in other words, how to have a relationship with him. Likewise, the cross leads us to live in obedience to God's law (Titus 2:14). In 1 John 3:10, those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to God's law are not children of God.

Yes, Christ kept the law that you didn't.

You failed, as you SINNED against it.
I have kept the law and while I did not keep it sinlessly like Christ, I have repented and returned to keeping it.

So, HE Kept it, in our PLACE, so that by HIS finished work, God can accept us, "through Christ".
Nowhere does the Bible say that he deprived us of getting to keep God's law by keeping it in our place, but rather he kept it in part so that we would have an example to follow, which is why we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:4. In Titus 2:14, it describe the finished work of Christ by saying that he gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, and this is what it means for him to save us by grace through faith.

"Grace Through Faith".
In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faithfulness, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith.

Here is what i can tell you about people who want to Teach Law as Salvation.
I do not teach that we need to obey God's law first in order to become saved as the result, but rather that our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so living in obedience to it through faith in Jesus is intrinsically part of the concept of him saving us from not living in obedience to it.

They have no idea that there are 613 of them.
And you can't name 40, and you're not keeping the other 400 you dont even know exist.
I'm well aware of there being 613 laws and could name 40 of them, though roughly 400 are in regard to governing the conduct of the Levites. God's law isn't learned in a day, which is why Titus 2:11-13 describes our salvation as being trained by grace to obey it, so it is a learning process. Can you list the 1,050 commands in the NT?

So, lets get off this nonsense about LAW, and instead lets celebrate the Grace of God that has "redeemed us from the CURSE OF THE LAW", through the Cross of Christ.
God is gracious to us by teaching us to obey His law (Psalms 119:29-30, Exodus 33:13, Genesis 6:8-9, Romans 1:5, Titus 2:11-14), but you want God to be gracious to us instead of teaching us to obey it. The curse of the law is living lawlessly, so being redeemed from the curse of the law is being set free to live in obedience to it. Again, Titus 2:14 does not say that Jesus gave himself to redeem us from God's law, but to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of is own possession who are zealous for doing good works, not in order to set us free from doing good works.
 
My point was that being free to from the curse of the law is not saying that the law itself was given as a curse, but rather the curse of the law is not obeying it.


You keep writing the same thing over and over.
You can stop now.

Listen, i told you yesterday that there are 613 Laws.
You can't name 40.
So, there is your "theology of LAW to save yourself". You dont even know all the Law,..... you have no idea how many you are breaking today,, and all you can do is not know it., while pretend you are keeping them.

Amazing.
 
You keep writing the same thing over and over.
You can stop now.

Listen, i told you yesterday that there are 613 Laws.
You can't name 40.
So, there is your "theology of LAW to save yourself". You dont even know all the Law,..... you have no idea how many you are breaking today,, and all you can do is not know it., while pretend you are keeping them.

Amazing.
If you keep ignoring the same thing, then I'll keep repeating it. I said that I was aware that there are 613 laws that that I can name 40. Learning how to obey the laws that God has command is something that is done over time. You can't list everything instructed in the NT either, so that is a moot point. For example, there are many times when I have honored my parents and that counts as keeping the command to honor my parents, so you can keep insisting that I have not done that, but you would be lying. There has also been times when I have not honored my parents, which I have repented from, and which does not negate the times when I have kept that command.
 
If you keep ignoring the same thing, then I'll keep repeating it.

You can't name 40 of the "LAWs" that you pretend is/are your Salvation.

So, think on that some more.


Just remember that "Christ is the END of the LAW for righteousness, to everyone who believes".
 
That is a lie.


Rather, knowing Christ is the GOAL of the LAW for righteousness for everyone who believers.

First of of all.

there is no "goal of the law for righteousness", in the sense that the law can cause you to be righteous.
See, its by the law that we gain the knowledge of our Sin.
Paul said that had he not known the law then he would not have known his own sin...
So....That is why the LAW was given...
To show you that.... reality.

And im aware that you can go and WIKI, the 613 Laws., and then cut and paste them here, and say..."see there, i knew all that'.
So, just avoid that nonsense.
 
First of of all.

there is no "goal of the law for righteousness", in the sense that the law can cause you to be righteous.
See, its by the law that we gain the knowledge of our Sin.
Paul said that had he not known the law then he would not have known his own sin...
So....That is why the LAW was given...
To show you that.... reality.
We do not earn our righteousness as the result of obeying God's law as though it could be earned as a wage, but rather we become righteous through the experience of knowing Christ, and God's law is His instructions for how to do that (Exodus 33:13, Matthew 7:23). Parents primarily give instructions to their children for their own good in order to teach them how to rightly live and by contrast they teach them how to avoid wrongly living, and this is that much more true of our Heavenly Father. God gave His law as a gift to teach us knowledge of how to do what is holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) and by contrast it teaches us knowledge of how to avoid sin. The purpose is not just to lead us to avoid sin, but to also teach us how to experiencing know Him through experiencing the expression of His nature, which is the way that He makes us to be like Christ.

And im aware that you can go and WIKI, the 613 Laws., and then cut and paste them here, and say..."see there, i knew all that'.

So, just avoid that nonsense.
Indeed, I could do that, so I have no way to prove to you that I could list 40 laws, though by the same token, you have no way to prove that I can't. The reality is that I can list 40 laws without needing the copy them, which is why I know that your claim is a lie. Why is it so inconceivable to you that someone could be able to list 40 laws off the top of their head? The Ten Commandments and the two greatest commandments are easy and that's almost 1/3 of the way there.
 
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We do earn our righteousness

A sinner can't earn righteousness.

You can't equal Christ's Righteousness.

Why?

Because "ALL have sinned".. and that means you @Soyeong

So, to pretend that you can be as Righteous as CHRIST if you try to keep law and commandments that you've already broken.. is not very truthful....

Is it?

Time to be honest, as God is watching.
He's listening
Believe it.
 
A sinner can't earn righteousness.

You can't equal Christ's Righteousness.

Why?

Because "ALL have sinned".. and that means you @Soyeong

So, to pretend that you can be as Righteous as CHRIST if you try to keep law and commandments that you've already broken.. is not very truthful

Is it?

Time to be honest, as God is watching.
He's listening.
Believe it.
Sorry, that was a typo, I meant to say that we do NOT earn our righteousness as I have repeatedly said before. Even if someone managed to live in perfect obedience to God's law, then they still would not earn their righteousness as a wage (Romans 4:1-5), so the reason why we do not earn our righteousness as a wage is not because all have sinned, but because God's law was never given as a way of earning righteousness in the first place. The fact that there are times when I have broken God's law does not negate all of the times that I have kept it.
 
Sorry, that was a typo, I meant to say that we do NOT earn our righteousness

Our righteousness comes based on = the Blood Atomement.

It's God giving it to us, based on Christ's Sacrifice.

Its "The Gift of Righteousness".. .the "imputed righteousness of God".

= "The GIFT of Salvation"
 
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