Two Kinds of Faith

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Two Kinds of Faith

Written by Mike Gendron.

The Bible clearly tells us that the only way to come to God is through faith in Jesus Christ. However, faith is misunderstood. Jesus warned against false faith or non-saving faith in Matthew 7:21-23. He said, "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you: Depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.'" Saving faith should not be confused with faith in a profession, or faith in faith, or faith in a decision, or faith in a prayer. Let us look at two kinds of faith.

First, there is non-saving faith, which is temporal and usually is found in a person's head but not their heart. It is faith based on a historical event that Jesus is the one true God who died for the sins of the world. Many have this head knowledge but this kind of faith cannot save. The demons exercise this kind of faith and they certainly are not saved! "You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder" (James 2:19). Professing Christians who merely acknowledge the historical facts of Jesus Christ without repentance are not saved.

Temporary faith lasts for a while, then fades away because it does not have any roots (Matthew 13:18-23). Jesus describes this in the parable of the sower in which the Word of God is sown upon shallow soil. But because of the shallow soil, there are no deep roots and the life is only temporary and quickly withers. Temporary faith is also like the seed which was sown on rocky places. This is the man who hears the word, and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no firm root in himself but is only temporary, and when affliction or persecution arises because of the Word, immediately he falls away. Some people have a religious experience or make a public profession of Christ but their faith fades away when the demands of the Christian life confront them.

True saving faith is a gift of God that will persevere. "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9). True faith is based on what God has revealed in His Word. The object of saving or justifying faith is Jesus Christ and what He has accomplished on behalf of sinners through His substitutionary death and resurrection. It is granted by God when the sinner, under the conviction of the Holy Spirit, is humbled in godly sorrow for his sin. When God gives him grace to believe in Jesus Christ and what He accomplished on the cross, that person is transformed by the same power that raised Christ from the dead.

Saving faith is exercised when a person comes to the end of himself, recognizes his hopelessness before God, and turns from his sin and self-righteousness to the Lord Jesus Christ as the ONLY One who can save him. This repentance involves a change of mind such that the person turns away from his life of rebellion toward God and casts himself wholly upon the mercy of God to save him (Acts 2:38; Luke 13:3; Mark 1:15). The Apostle Paul described this work in his own life in Philippians 3:8-9. "More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish in order that I may gain Christ, and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith."

Saving faith also involves a total reliance upon Jesus Christ and His work on the cross. This belief in Christ goes beyond a mere head knowledge of Jesus to a trust in Christ and Christ alone for salvation. Faith means "Forsaking All, I Trust Him." The Apostle Paul never boasted about anything he did in order to be saved, because he realized that it was all of Christ and none of him. "May it never be that I should boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world" (Galatians 6:14).

Saving faith also involves receiving Christ Himself as your Redeemer, Savior, and Lord.

"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:12-13). The adopted child of God enters into a living, dynamic relationship with Jesus Christ as his Lord. Jesus has redeemed him from the power of sin and has applied His blood and righteousness to his life and declared him to be righteous before God. Jesus has saved him from the wrath of God and there is now no condemnation to fear (Rom. 8:1). Praise be to God!
 
Two Kinds of Faith

Written by Mike Gendron.

The Bible clearly tells us that the only way to come to God is through faith in Jesus Christ. However, faith is misunderstood. Jesus warned against false faith or non-saving faith in Matthew 7:21-23. He said, "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you: Depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.'" Saving faith should not be confused with faith in a profession, or faith in faith, or faith in a decision, or faith in a prayer. Let us look at two kinds of faith.

First, there is non-saving faith, which is temporal and usually is found in a person's head but not their heart. It is faith based on a historical event that Jesus is the one true God who died for the sins of the world. Many have this head knowledge but this kind of faith cannot save. The demons exercise this kind of faith and they certainly are not saved! "You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder" (James 2:19). Professing Christians who merely acknowledge the historical facts of Jesus Christ without repentance are not saved.

Temporary faith lasts for a while, then fades away because it does not have any roots (Matthew 13:18-23). Jesus describes this in the parable of the sower in which the Word of God is sown upon shallow soil. But because of the shallow soil, there are no deep roots and the life is only temporary and quickly withers. Temporary faith is also like the seed which was sown on rocky places. This is the man who hears the word, and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no firm root in himself but is only temporary, and when affliction or persecution arises because of the Word, immediately he falls away. Some people have a religious experience or make a public profession of Christ but their faith fades away when the demands of the Christian life confront them.

True saving faith is a gift of God that will persevere. "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9). True faith is based on what God has revealed in His Word. The object of saving or justifying faith is Jesus Christ and what He has accomplished on behalf of sinners through His substitutionary death and resurrection. It is granted by God when the sinner, under the conviction of the Holy Spirit, is humbled in godly sorrow for his sin. When God gives him grace to believe in Jesus Christ and what He accomplished on the cross, that person is transformed by the same power that raised Christ from the dead.

Saving faith is exercised when a person comes to the end of himself, recognizes his hopelessness before God, and turns from his sin and self-righteousness to the Lord Jesus Christ as the ONLY One who can save him. This repentance involves a change of mind such that the person turns away from his life of rebellion toward God and casts himself wholly upon the mercy of God to save him (Acts 2:38; Luke 13:3; Mark 1:15). The Apostle Paul described this work in his own life in Philippians 3:8-9. "More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish in order that I may gain Christ, and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith."

Saving faith also involves a total reliance upon Jesus Christ and His work on the cross. This belief in Christ goes beyond a mere head knowledge of Jesus to a trust in Christ and Christ alone for salvation. Faith means "Forsaking All, I Trust Him." The Apostle Paul never boasted about anything he did in order to be saved, because he realized that it was all of Christ and none of him. "May it never be that I should boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world" (Galatians 6:14).

Saving faith also involves receiving Christ Himself as your Redeemer, Savior, and Lord.

"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:12-13). The adopted child of God enters into a living, dynamic relationship with Jesus Christ as his Lord. Jesus has redeemed him from the power of sin and has applied His blood and righteousness to his life and declared him to be righteous before God. Jesus has saved him from the wrath of God and there is now no condemnation to fear (Rom. 8:1). Praise be to God!
Someone can have faith in various things, such as faith that a chair will support their weight, faith in their car to get them safely to work, faith in their friend to have their back, or in God to keep His promises, and someone can maintain this faith through their entire life or it can fade, so it is not the case that there are two kinds of faith or specific kinds of faith that are temporary or eternal. It is through experiencing God's nature that we come to know him, and Matthew 7:21-23, the problem was that they did not have faith in the nature of God as the guide for how to live their lives, which is why Jesus would say to them to depart from him because he never knew them.

So we need to have faith in the right thing and it is contradictory to have faith in God, but not have faith in what He has instructed. If God's law were His instructions for how to become self-righteous and God does not want us to do that, then it would follow that God therefore does not want to be obeyed, which is absurd, therefore it is not His instructions for how to become self-righteous, but His instructions for how to testify about His righteousness, and we should have faith in those instructs as the guide for how we should live our lives, because experiencing God's righteousness is part of the way to know Him, which is eternal life (John 17:3). The goal of God's law is to teach us to know Him, so Philippians 3:8-9 should not be interpreted as saying that we just need to know Christ and obedience to God's law is rubbish, but rather Paul had been obeying God's law without being focused on knowing Christ, so he had been missing the whole goal of the law like those in Matthew 7:21-23 and that is what he counted as rubbish.

In Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so we are not required to have first done those works in order to become saved as the result and we are not required to do those works as the result of having first been saved, but rather God graciously teaching us to do those works is itself part of the content of His gift of salvation. Furthermore, in Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law is the way to have total reliance upon Christ and his work on the cross (Acts 21:20).

Our obedience to God's law is about God giving a gift to us not about us earning a wage from God. Obeying God's word is the way to have faith in God's word made flesh, not doing something other than having faith in him alone. Declaring us to be righteous means declaring us to be someone who practices righteousness in obedience to God's law.
 
FALSE: There's BIBLICAL FAITH (Heb 11:1) which Comes by God's WORD (Rom 10:17)

There IS NO OTHER "Biblical Faith". If you don't have Biblical Faith, you've got NOTHING.
My advice to you is read first BEFORE shouting "False"

First, there is non-saving faith, which is temporal and usually is found in a person's head but not their heart. It is faith based on a historical event that Jesus is the one true God who died for the sins of the world. Many have this head knowledge but this kind of faith cannot save. The demons exercise this kind of faith and they certainly are not saved! "You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder" (James 2:19). Professing Christians who merely acknowledge the historical facts of Jesus Christ without repentance are not saved.
 
@Johann said in the OP:-
'Saving faith is exercised when a person comes to the end of himself, recognizes his hopelessness before God, and turns from his sin and self-righteousness to the Lord Jesus Christ as the ONLY One who can save him. This repentance involves a change of mind such that the person turns away from his life of rebellion toward God and casts himself wholly upon the mercy of God to save him (Acts 2:38; Luke 13:3; Mark 1:15). The Apostle Paul described this work in his own life in Philippians 3:8-9. "More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish in order that I may gain Christ, and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith."

Saving faith also involves a total reliance upon Jesus Christ and His work on the cross. This belief in Christ goes beyond a mere head knowledge of Jesus to a trust in Christ and Christ alone for salvation. Faith means "Forsaking All, I Trust Him." The Apostle Paul never boasted about anything he did in order to be saved, because he realized that it was all of Christ and none of him. "May it never be that I should boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world" (Galatians 6:14).

Saving faith also involves receiving Christ Himself as your Redeemer, Savior, and Lord.

"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:12-13). The adopted child of God enters into a living, dynamic relationship with Jesus Christ as his Lord. Jesus has redeemed him from the power of sin and has applied His blood and righteousness to his life and declared him to be righteous before God. Jesus has saved him from the wrath of God and there is now no condemnation to fear (Rom. 8:1). Praise be to God!'
Hello @Johann,

As I read your OP, I found myself searching my own heart, and my own experience since having my eyes opened to see and acknowledge my need of a Saviour. I was only 12 years of age when I saw that need, and heard that God had provided a Saviour, in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ, and believed to the saving of my soul. I had little understanding then. Yet, I know that God began a work in me then, which He has continued to do until this day, and will do until the day of Christ. What you describe above as, 'true faith', came upon me gradually, over time, as I came to understand not only what God had achieved in and through His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, but also my own dire need of Him. Though the process was gradual, yet I do believe, that I was His from the moment that I believed. The work had begun. Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Hello @Johann,

As I read your OP, I found myself searching my own heart, and my own experience since having my eyes opened to see and acknowledge my need of a Saviour. I was only 12 years of age when I saw that need, and heard that God had provided a Saviour, in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ, and believed to the saving of my soul. I had little understanding then. Yet, I know that God began a work in me then, which He has continued to do until this day, and will do until the day of Christ. What you describe above as, 'true faith', came upon me gradually, over time, as I came to understand not only what God had achieved in and through His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, but also my own dire need of Him. Though the process was gradual, yet I do believe, that I was His from the moment that I believed. The work had begun. Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Same experience for me @Complete
Stay strong, rooted in Christ Jesus.
Johann.
 
Hello @Johann,

As I read your OP, I found myself searching my own heart, and my own experience since having my eyes opened to see and acknowledge my need of a Saviour. I was only 12 years of age when I saw that need, and heard that God had provided a Saviour, in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ, and believed to the saving of my soul. I had little understanding then. Yet, I know that God began a work in me then, which He has continued to do until this day, and will do until the day of Christ. What you describe above as, 'true faith', came upon me gradually, over time, as I came to understand not only what God had achieved in and through His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, but also my own dire need of Him. Though the process was gradual, yet I do believe, that I was His from the moment that I believed. The work had begun. Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Repentance requires knowledge that man does not fully possess without the Spirit of God. There is a struggle that takes place between man and the Gospel. This leads us to abandon our conventual preconceived understanding of God to embrace who God truly is in Jesus Christ as declared by the Gospel.

This must take place before Repentance can ever take place. Repentance is where God and man agree.
 
And so is not "Faith" at all. it nothing but "religious belief".
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the demons also believe, and shudder.

Transliteration: pisteueis
Morphology: V-PIA-2S
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 2nd Person Singular
Strong's no.: G4100 (πιστεύω)
Meaning: To believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: to be entrusted with.

And the demons--
πιστεύουσιν
Transliteration: pisteuousin
Morphology: V-PIA-3P
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Plural
Strong's no.: G4100 (πιστεύω)
Meaning: To believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: to be entrusted with.

--and is it not amazing they STILL believe-intellectually, a mere intellectual assent-and I believe THEY believe MORE than US.
J.
 
Two Kinds of Faith

Written by Mike Gendron.

The Bible clearly tells us that the only way to come to God is through faith in Jesus Christ. However, faith is misunderstood. Jesus warned against false faith or non-saving faith in Matthew 7:21-23. He said, "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.
And yet there is a little bit of mystery to this in a sense. The thief on the cross who was dying had no time to learn and do the will of God and yet Jesus said this day you shall be with me in Paradise. My thought is God knows where people are at and it might surprise some people at just who are in Heaven. It's probably based on how much LIGHT spiritually speaking a person has received.
Saving faith should not be confused with faith in a profession, or faith in faith, or faith in a decision, or faith in a prayer. Let us look at two kinds of faith.
I would say a living faith would be is the central motivation of one's life wanting to advance the Kingdom of God. I've been thinking on this a different way of late. Why even when if comes to prayer what is our gut motivation. To receive and answer for our personal comfort? I understand we want that and need that but a higher motivation would be I want an answer to prayer to I can testify to others of the goodness of God and that he is gracious and so encourage them.....and to outsiders they hear about it and they are motivated to get saved because NOW they see a God who is alive! By doing this you're advancing and seeking first the Kingdom.

 
And yet there is a little bit of mystery to this in a sense. The thief on the cross who was dying had no time to learn and do the will of God and yet Jesus said this day you shall be with me in Paradise. My thought is God knows where people are at and it might surprise some people at just who are in Heaven. It's probably bases on how much LIGHT spiritually speaking a person has received.
No problem here as I am in full agreement with you.
I would say a living faith would be is the central motivation of one's life wanting to advance the Kingdom of God. I've been thinking on this a different way of late. Why even when if comes to prayer what is our gut motivation. To receive and answer for our personal comfort? I understand we want that and need that but a higher motivation would be I want an answer to prayer to I can testify to others of the goodness of God and that he is gracious and so encourage them.....and to outsiders they hear about it and they are motivated to get saved because NOW they see a God who is alive! By doing this you're advancing and seeking first the Kingdom.
Too many pray for earthly comforts-but I concur with your reply-nevertheless, not MY will be done-Thy will be done.
Johann.
 
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the demons also believe, and shudder.

Transliteration: pisteueis
Morphology: V-PIA-2S
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 2nd Person Singular
Strong's no.: G4100 (πιστεύω)
Meaning: To believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: to be entrusted with.

And the demons--
πιστεύουσιν
Transliteration: pisteuousin
Morphology: V-PIA-3P
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Plural
Strong's no.: G4100 (πιστεύω)
Meaning: To believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: to be entrusted with.

--and is it not amazing they STILL believe-intellectually, a mere intellectual assent-and I believe THEY believe MORE than US.
J.
so nothing so far
 
Two Kinds of Faith

Written by Mike Gendron.

The Bible clearly tells us that the only way to come to God is through faith in Jesus Christ. However, faith is misunderstood. Jesus warned against false faith or non-saving faith in Matthew 7:21-23. He said, "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you: Depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.'" Saving faith should not be confused with faith in a profession, or faith in faith, or faith in a decision, or faith in a prayer. Let us look at two kinds of faith.

First, there is non-saving faith, which is temporal and usually is found in a person's head but not their heart. It is faith based on a historical event that Jesus is the one true God who died for the sins of the world. Many have this head knowledge but this kind of faith cannot save. The demons exercise this kind of faith and they certainly are not saved! "You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder" (James 2:19). Professing Christians who merely acknowledge the historical facts of Jesus Christ without repentance are not saved.

Temporary faith lasts for a while, then fades away because it does not have any roots (Matthew 13:18-23). Jesus describes this in the parable of the sower in which the Word of God is sown upon shallow soil. But because of the shallow soil, there are no deep roots and the life is only temporary and quickly withers. Temporary faith is also like the seed which was sown on rocky places. This is the man who hears the word, and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no firm root in himself but is only temporary, and when affliction or persecution arises because of the Word, immediately he falls away. Some people have a religious experience or make a public profession of Christ but their faith fades away when the demands of the Christian life confront them.

True saving faith is a gift of God that will persevere. "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9). True faith is based on what God has revealed in His Word. The object of saving or justifying faith is Jesus Christ and what He has accomplished on behalf of sinners through His substitutionary death and resurrection. It is granted by God when the sinner, under the conviction of the Holy Spirit, is humbled in godly sorrow for his sin. When God gives him grace to believe in Jesus Christ and what He accomplished on the cross, that person is transformed by the same power that raised Christ from the dead.

Saving faith is exercised when a person comes to the end of himself, recognizes his hopelessness before God, and turns from his sin and self-righteousness to the Lord Jesus Christ as the ONLY One who can save him. This repentance involves a change of mind such that the person turns away from his life of rebellion toward God and casts himself wholly upon the mercy of God to save him (Acts 2:38; Luke 13:3; Mark 1:15). The Apostle Paul described this work in his own life in Philippians 3:8-9. "More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish in order that I may gain Christ, and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith."

Saving faith also involves a total reliance upon Jesus Christ and His work on the cross. This belief in Christ goes beyond a mere head knowledge of Jesus to a trust in Christ and Christ alone for salvation. Faith means "Forsaking All, I Trust Him." The Apostle Paul never boasted about anything he did in order to be saved, because he realized that it was all of Christ and none of him. "May it never be that I should boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world" (Galatians 6:14).

Saving faith also involves receiving Christ Himself as your Redeemer, Savior, and Lord.

"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:12-13). The adopted child of God enters into a living, dynamic relationship with Jesus Christ as his Lord. Jesus has redeemed him from the power of sin and has applied His blood and righteousness to his life and declared him to be righteous before God. Jesus has saved him from the wrath of God and there is now no condemnation to fear (Rom. 8:1). Praise be to God!

Repentance is a change of mind, heart. This occurs at belief on the Lord Jesus Christ for eternal salvation. To believe..is to repent.

It doesn't mean 'turn from sins'...it's a change of mind, heart..led by Jesus from non belief...to belief. It is not a work of a change of behaviour..because there is nothing behaviour, work, wise anyone can do before salvation to get it.

The demons believe.... but they don't entrust their salvation with Jesus which a lost person who believes does.

'faith without works is dead'..is not a verse to say believers will do good works..or have to do good work to be saved. The context is about using faith already present, having been converted already.
 
First, there is non-saving faith, which is temporal and usually is found in a person's head but not their heart.
In other words, intellectual assent, and not any kind of "FAITH" at all. It has no SUBSTANCE< and is "Evidence" of absolutely NOTHING (Heb 11:1)
True saving faith is a gift of God that will persevere. "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9).
Yup - CONVICTION OF SIN, and of Judgement is God's WORD to the sinner, so that they know their true condition before God. ONLY under Conviction of SIN can a person REALLY repent, and cry out in FAITH for salvation.
 
FALSE: There's BIBLICAL FAITH (Heb 11:1) which Comes by God's WORD (Rom 10:17)

There IS NO OTHER "Biblical Faith". If you don't have Biblical Faith, you've got NOTHING.

I love how succinct your post is. Bravo!

My advice to you is read first BEFORE shouting "False"
Showing again that you are not teachable. Sad.

Never is there synergy with you. Dozen paragraph posts dominate your world view, preventing you from seeing the forest through the trees. Very sad. I'll pray for you.
 
Two Kinds of Faith

FALSE: There's BIBLICAL FAITH (Heb 11:1) which Comes by God's WORD (Rom 10:17)

There IS NO OTHER "Biblical Faith". If you don't have Biblical Faith, you've got NOTHING.
Exactly correct Bob! Only mystics treat falsehood on an equal footing with truth. Most people, being logical, only acknowledge as true, things that are true.

If one wants to delve into what is false, there is no limit to what is false. So, to say there are only 2 kinds of X, when you include false X, is itself false - at least as far as logic is concerned.

Let's use an alibi as an example. Suppose I say I was at Location A at Time A. This truth is sufficient. There is no value in listing the limitless locations I was NOT present at Time A. Certainly, there is more than one other Location I could have been at Time A. But we are not open to what is possibly true of mysticism but the actual truth.

And this separates the simple truth from the dozens of conflated and contradictory paragraphs from mystics.
 
I posted this on another forum and seems to relate to the notion of confusing possible truth with actual truth ...

I love how people are so dumbed down they automatically equate speculation with certain fact!
Could X be the Cause of Y?
A rational person must concede possibilities OR risk condemnation for not being "open minded."
THEN, the accuser extrapolates the possibility to certain fact.
 
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In other words, intellectual assent, and not any kind of "FAITH" at all. It has no SUBSTANCE< and is "Evidence" of absolutely NOTHING (Heb 11:1)

Yup - CONVICTION OF SIN, and of Judgement is God's WORD to the sinner, so that they know their true condition before God. ONLY under Conviction of SIN can a person REALLY repent, and cry out in FAITH for salvation.
All you are doing is nitpicking-no offense.
 
There is only ONE faith just as there is ONE Holy Spirit.
It is the faith of Christ by which anyone is saved. He trusted (faith) in God and was perfect in His trust (faith.)
And for His purpose He manifests faith in a believer for particular reasons.
 
@Johann hit a direct bullseye shot with this Thread = 'the shot heard around the world'

SAVING Faith comes from the heart AND it was placed there by the Word so that we can be SAVED

Romans ch10
But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”


Intellectual acknowledgment alone cannot save anyone.

Thus we have in the SAME chapter 10 describing intellectual 'dead' faith

16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed:

“Their sound has gone out to all the earth,
And their words to the ends of the world.”

19But I say, did Israel not know? First Moses says:

“I will provoke you to jealousy by those who are not a nation,
I will move you to anger by a foolish nation.”

20But Isaiah is very bold and says:

“I was found by those who did not seek Me;
I was made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.”

21But to Israel he says:

“All day long I have stretched out My hands
To a disobedient and contrary people.”
 
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