TibiasDad
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I said firstborn is not a reference to being created. Firstborn is relative to the creation in that the creation is subjected to the firstborn’s authority since he is the creator of all things.
Doug
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Doug
What don't you understand about things were created-THROUGH Jesus= another did the creating. As i have shown all many spots-HE created, not we. Your religions take the us at Gen 1:26 and throw away all the spots that assures only 1 created = HE, not we.
TibiasDad
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There is so much that you do not understand, Keiw1:
You do not understand, for what reasons I cannot say, that Yahweh says that he “alone” created all things and that he did so “with my own hands” (Isa 44:24, 45:12)
Alone does not allow for “the Word” to be involved in the process; “With my own hands” doesn’t allow for God to use the person of “the Word” as the means of creation; unless, of course, the Word is the one speaking in Isaiah! And that means that the Word is Yahweh.
And you don’t understand that “through him” can also mean “by means of him”, that the Word is the source of power which causes creation.
Doug
Alone means--The only one with the power and wisdom to create anything. In the Lords prayer in many translations it says--The kingdom, power and glory all belong to the Father. Write ups say Constantine took the Codex sinacticus and removed that passage, I believe he altered other passages as well. Every trinity translation contradicts Jesus teachings in spots trying to make it look like Jesus is part of a trinity. The trinity that was created at the council of Constantinople headed by Constantine.
TibiasDad
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New International Version
“This is what the LORD says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself,
New Living Translation
This is what the LORD says— your Redeemer and Creator: “I am the LORD, who made all things. I alone stretched out the heavens. Who was with me when I made the earth?
English Standard Version
Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am the LORD, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself,
Berean Standard Bible
Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer who formed you from the womb: “I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who by Myself spread out the earth,
He does not say that he alone is capable of doing it, he says he alone did it. In fact, he says it twice!
Doug
I explained what it meant--Gods master worker( Jesus)( Prov 8:30) was by his side during creation. He gives God 100% credit for all the creating at Prov 8. proving alone means--the only one with the power and wisdom to create anything. See-Gen 1:27,, Prov 8:27-28,, Isaiah 40:6-- HE( not we) created. Your religionsssssssssssssssss twist the us in Gen 1:26 when verse 27 is clear 1 created. The us = YHVH(Jehovah) and his master worker.
John 1:3 created-THROUGH- Jesus--means 100% another did it, proving 100% alone meant has the power and wisdom.
In your teaching is contradicting all the spots i shared about HE created, not we. Its called darkness. God warned you--GET OUT OF HER.
TibiasDad
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It is a prayer to God, so of course it says, according to Matthew, “for yours is the kingdom, the power, and the glory forever”.
Moreover, John 5 says: 22Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
So Jesus is worthy of “the power and glory and kingdom” being his as well!
Rev 5:11Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. 12In a loud voice they were saying:
“Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,
to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength
and honor and glory and praise!”
13Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying:
“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power,
for ever and ever!”
14The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.
Whoever “Write ups” is!
I guess you have your doctorate in ancient writings…
The Trinity was affirmed in AD 325 at Nicaea, 56 years before. Constantinople denied Arianism, which denied the Deity of Christ.
Doug
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Amen
Jesus has to hand the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself( 1Cor 15:24-28) = forever, it occurs here Rev 21:1 or just prior.
So tell us how does God have a God yet there is only 1 God? And Isaiah 44:6-I am Jehovah besides-ME- there is no other God--no we listed there as trinitarians teach and contradict God.
TibiasDad
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3 persons, 1 God! Their natures and capacities are identical in every way. You cannot tell one from the other.
While it is impossible to describe completely, I find the best illustration to be that of a glass triangle; the 3 sides are identical, so that to look at one is to see all three. There are three distinct sides, but indistinguishable from one another.
Thus, Jesus was and is worthy of worship, and only God is worthy of worship! (Rev 19:10)
Doug
3 persons = we--God is always called-i or me or he, never we.
A mistranslated Greek word= Proskenaue( misspelled) has 5 different meanings from Greek to English-1) worship to God, 2) obeisance to a king-3) honor to a judge, plus 2 others--Thus to fit their false council teaching, Catholicism gave worship to Jesus when Obeisance is correct for him. One who has a God does not ever get worship.
TibiasDad
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TibiasDad
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Did I say God is referred to as “we”? God is always in reference to a singular member of the Godhead, thus, the singular.
Jesus and the Holy Spirit are both called God!
Doug
Did you look it up?
The holy spirit is never called God, it has 0 equality whatsoever.
TibiasDad
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Acts 5:1But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property,2and with his wife’s knowledge he kept back for himself some of the proceeds and brought only a part of it and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? 4While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.” 5When Ananias heard these words, he fell down and breathed his last. And great fear came upon all who heard of it. 6The young men rose and wrapped him up and carried him out and buried him.
Doug
God asked the question, God sought an answer. The holy spirit was a go between.
TibiasDad
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He can’t be if he is just an impersonal “active force”. The Holy Spirit has to be a person if he is the “go between”.
Doug
God uses the holy spirit like that. The same way he instructed the words to be written in his holy bible through righteous men via holy spirit.
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