Total Depravity

[praise_yeshua]

lol dont worry about me, be concerned about your relationship with God.

You don't really believe there is hope for me. Don't be insincere

 

[praise_yeshua]

lol dont worry about me, be concerned about your relationship with God.

How about answering the question

So were you chosen first and then the means of Jesus Christ provided for you?

I know this is what you believe. Just admit it. Then I can deal with your claims properly. Commit to it.

 

[brightfame52]

Duh.... Like I don't know YOU believe this.

2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Right, except the elect. The world of 2 Cor 5:19 doesnt have unbelief imputed to them, none of their sins are. So are you a universalist now ?

 

[brightfame52]

How about answering the question

So were you chosen first and then the means of Jesus Christ provided for you?

I know this is what you believe. Just admit it. Then I can deal with your claims properly. Commit to it.

How about taking my advise and dont worry about me. We all will be on our own in Judgment day.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Right, except the elect. The world of 2 Cor 5:19 doesnt have unbelief imputed to them, none of their sins are. So are you a universalist now ?

Nope. Like I told @TomL

The issue is a matter of unbelief.

Christ is the judge. Christ reconciled this world to Himself. That is very reason He is the Judge of this world relative to Incarnation.

You wouldn't know this because you have an extremely shallow theology. I've been dealing with Calvinists like you since I was a teenager.

 

[praise_yeshua]

How about taking my advise and dont worry about me. We all will be on our own in Judgment day.

You don't believe that. You believe your judgement has already been determined.

 

[TomL]

Men are judged by Jesus Christ now. The sin of unbelief.

Yes men are judged by Christ.

 

[TomL]

yes he is trying to have his cake and eat it too- the passage opposes his theology and shows the inconsistent approach to the scriptures

It's necessary if you are going to hold to Calvinism.

 

[civic]

It's necessary if you are going to hold to Calvinism.

Ditto

 

[TomL]

Rom 5:18b says nothing about Justification of life being made available to anyone, its the result of the doing and dying of Christ for His people He represented, just like Rom 5:18 a says nothing about condemnation being made available to anyone, it was the result of the doing of Adam who represented them. You have to keep things equal in the verse

Um, you ignore a number of verses

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (LEB) — 3 This is good and acceptable before God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and human beings, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, the testimony at the proper time,

1 John 4:14 (LEB) — 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

Titus 2:11 (LEB) — 11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people,

1 Timothy 4:10 (LEB) — 10 For to this end we labor and suffer reproach, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of believers.

You cannot create a biblical theology based on your particular interpretation of a single verse when you ignore many others.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes men are judged by Christ.

In the context of the Hypostatic Union, God has always had the right to judge humanity. In the context of the Incarnation, that right was established through the Incarnation itself. The necessity of Incarnation is essential to understanding the love that God has for humanity and Righteousness of God to be both Just and Justifier of those who believe.

God doesn't just "declare Himself" righteous. He proves it in the things He does.

 

[TomL]

In the context of the Hypostatic Union, God has always had the right to judge humanity. In the context of the Incarnation, that right was established through the Incarnation itself. The necessity of Incarnation is essential to understanding the love that God has for humanity and Righteousness of God to be both Just and Justifier of those who believe.

God doesn't just "declare Himself" righteous. He proves it in the things He does.

Yes God has a love for the world

John 3:16 (NASB95) — 16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

and desires its salvation

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (LEB) — 3 This is good and acceptable before God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and human beings, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, the testimony at the proper time,

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes God has a love for the world

John 3:16 (NASB95) — 16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

and desires its salvation

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (LEB) — 3 This is good and acceptable before God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and human beings, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, the testimony at the proper time,

Lets have a friendly conversation of mutual believers of the work God has wrought for us....

Is it Just to forgive? The answer to that question is YES. Relative to very character of God, that answer is unequivocally a resounding... YES.

This is lost on the doctrines that come forth from Calvinism.

 

[TomL]

Lets have a friendly conversation of mutual believers of the work God has wrought for us....

Is it Just to forgive? The answer to that question is YES. Relative to very character of God, that answer is unequivocally a resounding... YES.

This is lost on the doctrines that come forth from Calvinism.

Indeed it is lost in Calvinism.

 

[brightfame52]

Nope. Like I told @TomL

The issue is a matter of unbelief.

Christ is the judge. Christ reconciled this world to Himself. That is very reason He is the Judge of this world relative to Incarnation.

You wouldn't know this because you have an extremely shallow theology. I've been dealing with Calvinists like you since I was a teenager.

Well in case you didn't notice the world of 2 Corinthians 5:19 does not have sin charged to it!

 

[brightfame52]

You don't believe that. You believe your judgement has already been determined.

We'll see you on judgment Day how's that?

 

[civic]

We'll see you on judgment Day how's that?

That shows you lack godly qualities like mercy , grace , love , compassion , forgiveness etc ….

 

[brightfame52]

Um, you ignore a number of verses

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (LEB) — 3 This is good and acceptable before God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and human beings, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, the testimony at the proper time,

1 John 4:14 (LEB) — 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

Titus 2:11 (LEB) — 11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people,

1 Timothy 4:10 (LEB) — 10 For to this end we labor and suffer reproach, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of believers.

You cannot create a biblical theology based on your particular interpretation of a single verse when you ignore many others.

The int

Um, you ignore a number of verses

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (LEB) — 3 This is good and acceptable before God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and human beings, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, the testimony at the proper time,

1 John 4:14 (LEB) — 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

Titus 2:11 (LEB) — 11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people,

1 Timothy 4:10 (LEB) — 10 For to this end we labor and suffer reproach, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of believers.

You cannot create a biblical theology based on your particular interpretation of a single verse when you ignore many others.

All that is about the elect

 

[brightfame52]

That shows you lack godly qualities like mercy , grace , love , compassion , forgiveness etc ….

Really because I said I'll see you at on judgment Day? Looking like I'm having my judgment Day right now

 

[TomL]

The int

All that is about the elect

As was seen

Um, you ignore a number of verses

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (LEB) — 3 This is good and acceptable before God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and human beings, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, the testimony at the proper time,

1 John 4:14 (LEB) — 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

Titus 2:11 (LEB) — 11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people,

1 Timothy 4:10 (LEB) — 10 For to this end we labor and suffer reproach, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of believers.

You cannot create a biblical theology based on your particular interpretation of a single verse when you ignore many others.

The elect are not all people, all human beings, or the world.

You need to start believing what the scripture clearly shows.