Title: So You Think Predestination Started When and With Whom?

Roman 4:
13 For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, 15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.

16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did; 18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.” 19 And not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb. 20 He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform. 22 And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.
When you read these Hebrew Scriptures with a Gentile mindset you will come up with teaching that is foreign to the Word of God.
The Hebrew Scripture authored by Hebrew men is given to the Hebrew people. From Genesis to Revelation is a record of the Hebrew people, their culture, their religion, and their God. True Biblical Christianity is moored to the Hebrew religion in the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets. Read the Hebrew Scripture with a Hebrew mindset - if you can - and come to the knowledge of then truth. I believe we will have to wait for the two witnesses of Revelation 11 whose prophecies will set the record straight.

How can you claim Gentiles are included in the New Covenant established by Christ with the House of Israel and the House of Judah? Jeremiah 31:31-34 says nothing of Gentiles in this covenant. God clearly says "I will establish me covenant with the House of Israel and the House of Judah - and neither of them are Gentile.
 
What kind of double mindedness is that?
To curse me of being ignorant and then to "bless" me in peace? There is no peace when men mutilate the Holy Word of God for doctrines and traditions of men.
There is no double mindedness. I call strikes and balls!
Your foolishness really amazes me. But I do have a low tolerance
for foolishness. Read Proverbs if you want to know more about
fools and foolishness!
Shalom
 
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