Good thing no one said He did. LOL
Je is eternal and chooses to deal in the temporal realm. Good try.
What was in the past when there was nothing?
Time in heaven
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Je is eternal and chooses to deal in the temporal realm. Good try.
What was in the past when there was nothing?
God cannot be creator and not creator at the same time
Precedding creation
God cannot have planned and not planned at the same time
God could not have decreed and not decreed at the same time
If a past exists there is time.
If a change exists there is time
Change is the enemy of timelessness
How is there time or sequence of events when there is nothing?
All this assumes sequence of events in the eternal state.
How did God change prior ti creation?
How did God change prior to creation when nothing existed?
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God cannot be creator and not creator at the same time
Precedding creation
God cannot have planned and not planned at the same time
God could not have decreed and not decreed at the same time
If a past exists there is time.
If a change exists there is time
God experiences Cambridge/relational changes, and has a past
His time knows no end and is eternal, as he
Complete
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'For a thousand years in Thy sight
are but as yesterday when it is past,
and as a watch in the night.'
(Psa 90:4)
'The days of our years are threescore years and ten;
and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years,
yet is their strength labour and sorrow;
for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
(Psa 90:10)
'So teach us to number our days,
that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.'
(Psa 90:12)
are but as yesterday when it is past,
and as a watch in the night.'
(Psa 90:4)
'The days of our years are threescore years and ten;
and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years,
yet is their strength labour and sorrow;
for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
(Psa 90:10)
'So teach us to number our days,
that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.'
(Psa 90:12)
Rockson
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Not sure on what basis you exclude there wasn't anything before Gen 1? Jesus was clear that there was two orders of extentence.....one place called the ABOVE. One place called the BELOW. Scripture states as well there are celestial bodies and terrestrial ones (or of the physical order) Everything you've stated in your line above has to do with the physical order. It's nonsensical to suggest there wasn't ANYTHING that had sequence in the Kingdom of God.
Look if you can accept there was no beginning with God you can likewise accept he had sequence of things whatever they might be all throughout eternity. You're choosing not to accept this is merely bias.
It has never been my position that there wasn't anything before Gen. 1. My position is that the darkness of our world didn't exist before Genesis 1. Prior to that, there was only Light/Day. I believe "Time" as we know it, because when God divided the darkness with the Light.
Yes, Jesus is clear. Our world, which has a beginning and an end, is "below", while the World without beginning and without end that God resides in, is above. One is "Of this world" the other is NOT "of this world".
Do you believe in God's Kingdom, the "World without End", that "there are celestial bodies and terrestrial ones"? Time is more than just sequence, in my view. My belief is that God created "TIME" as we know it. I have a "Yesterday, brought about by darkness that divides the "day" from the "Night". I hope for a "Tomorrow" who is brought about by darkness that divided the Day from the Night. I cannot exist in the past, nor can I exist in the future. But I believe God exists in both.
If there is NO Darkness, what remains is only "DAY". No "yesterday", no "tomorrow", only today, forever. How many hours in this day? Can it be measured? And if not, why are you calling it "Time"?
You are assuming that existence itself is proof of "Time". I make no such assumption. How old was God before HE created the Heavens and the Earth? Is HE older today, than when He created our world?
What effect does sequence of events have on God? Does HE get older? Was HE younger? My point is that God doesn't exist in the same Realm as we do. Time, as we know it, has zero influence on God. He exists outside of "Time" as we know it. It is HIS Creation, everything within our world is influenced by Time. Nothing in the Kingdom of God is influenced by Time, according to Scriptures, in my view.
And if "Time" has zero influence in God's Realm, how do we know it even exists in God's Realm?
I am fine with believing God created "Time" as we know it, and I'm also confident in the belief that God "transcends Time", lives in a realm where Time, as we know it, influences nothing, means nothing. A place where there is no evidence of "Time" at all.
Just as there is no evidence that "Time" existed in God's World before He separated the Light from the Darkness.
There is a vast difference between living a really long "Time" and "living forever", in my view.
God was planning and decreeing
He did not decree for an eternity of time or plan for an eternity
that is what about it
Does time exist when there was nothing?
God is the Aplha and Omega, the beginning and the. Beginning and end of what?
Did the universe have a beginning?
Just some examples of the questions Tom has dodged to prop up His Open Theism
Do you read?
God planned then he stopped planning
God decreed than he stopped decreeing
then he created
This is all sequence a before and an after - time
You cannot even tell the truth
Have I not I stated God was not a creator then a creator
Have I not stated all this requires time
Why then do you indulge in falsehood?
He did? You were there?
Did the universe have a beginning?
How do you have time when nothing exists?
Yes he did, Are you going to deny your doctrine about God decreeing before the foundation of the earth
Yes
As explained God was planning, decreeing, Communication within the trinity were transpiring
So what existed before the universe? What started this sequence of time?
God has always known
Communication? They had a latte and discussed how this creation thing was going to go?
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