The subject has always been the Word in John 1, particularly verses 1-3. In there is the phrase "the Word was God". Do you want to discuss that phrase or not?
Those who deny the Lord Jesus is God (=YHWH) are not saved (2 Corinthians 11:4)
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Diserner
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Can you give me a definition of a male, please.
So I know how you are applying a masculine pronoun to God.
Matthias
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I’ve been discussing it for days.
Is your word expressive of you? Of what is in your mind? Yes.
Is God’s word expressive of God? Of what is in his mind? Yes.
Is your word with you? Yes.
Is God’s word with him? Yes.
Matthias
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I’m not talking about a male.
Did you take a foreign language in High School? If so, which foreign language did you take?
We can look at an example from that language.
Yes.
The Bible reveals that the Word of God was God. Do you believe John 1:1?
God the Father expresses Himself through Jesus, the Word of God. Jesus is an exact Image of God. He who has seen Jesus has seen the Father.
It goes out from me.
The Word of God (Jesus) goes out from God the Father.
Matthias
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The same is true with God. When he speaks, the word is expressive of him.
God doesn’t speak a person. God speaks a word. The word God speaks is ”it”.
I appreciate that you didn’t ask me if I’ve ever read John 1:1. (That’s the most common question trinitarians ask me. It’s a DD question. I’ve never met a pastor who hasn’t read John 1:1.)
Yes. I believe John 1:1.
Agreed.
Who is the God whom Jesus is an exact image of?
Agreed.
Yes. “It“ also goes out from God. (See again, Isaiah 55:11.)
He was sent from God.
Who is the God who sent him?
civic
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don't you know you are not you and that you are your words which is an it and not a you which is why they deny He is a who and make Him an it.
dr suess at its best lol.
then there is the Who is on first skit kinda a fits what happening here rofl
We divert into.2 diametrically opposite roads right here. I believe John 1:1 where it says "the Word was God". You say you believe John 1:1 but your words do not show that. Why?
Matthias
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Are you talking about me or are you just entertaining him with kid stuff?
Matthias
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I believe John 1:1 were it says “the word was God.” Tyndale believed it too.
You must think Tyndale and the boatload of other trinitarians say it but their words don’t show it too.
I’d ask why but you’ve already told me why. (You believe they are grammar illiterates.)
civic
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no in general with who and it you don't honestly see what is happening with John 1:1 and who is in the passage ?
its who, not what or it but who.
think of whoville
Matthias
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no in general with who and it you don't honestly see what is happening with John 1:1 and who is in the passage ?
its who, not what or it but who.
think of whoville
Thanks. I don’t have time for your children’s games this evening.
Matthias
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Tyndale.
You already said that God is not an "it". So how can the Word who is God be an "it"?
civic
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back to who's on first watch and see. I've done this same old song and dance routine with uni's on the old forum for years.
Matthias
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Pros (with) occurs in the phrase ta pros theon (“the things concerning God”). The word reflects the heart of God’s thinking.
The gospel remains with (pros the disciples (Galatians 2:5). Where is it with them? In their minds.
John isn’t speaking about a person being with God in John 1:1.
”Elsewhere John uses para to express the idea of proximity of one person to another (Jn. 1:39; 4:40; 8:38; 14:17, 23, 25; cp. 14:23 … never pros.”
(Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Vol. 3, p. 1205)
The gospel remains with (pros the disciples (Galatians 2:5). Where is it with them? In their minds.
John isn’t speaking about a person being with God in John 1:1.
”Elsewhere John uses para to express the idea of proximity of one person to another (Jn. 1:39; 4:40; 8:38; 14:17, 23, 25; cp. 14:23 … never pros.”
(Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Vol. 3, p. 1205)
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Matthias
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I saw it.
Matthias
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Sounds like you‘re mocking unitarians to me.
