The Water Baptism of 1 Corinthians 12:13

[Doug Brents]

Your right, there is only one baptism that saves.

But your wrong. there are many baptism in the New testament

Sure there are many baptisms mentioned in the NT, but there is only one that is associated with salvation, and that is water baptism.

the baptism that saves is the one John the baptist spoke of.. As he said, I indeed baptize with water. but there comes one mightier than I. He will baptize with the HS.

He does not say that it is by that baptism that we will be saved.

Sadly. it also says he will baptize with fire. Lets pray we are not part of this baptism. because this fire will never be quenched

LOL, This baptism, of the Holy Spirit and fire, was received by the 120 on Pentecost and by those Gentiles in Cornelius' house in Acts 10. It has not happened again.

No it does not.

No. there is no water in romans or Colossians.

There doesn't need to be water in Rom 6 or Col 2. Those two passages are talking about how we become saved, in the one baptism that saves, and 1 Pet 3:21 says that the baptism that saves us is the truth of which the Flood is the shadow. It is clear that water baptism was taught by Phillip to the Eunuch, because it is the Eunuch who asked for water baptism as they went along.

Rom 6: 3 ;Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ (not water) Jesus were baptized into His death (not water)? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death (not water),

Do you not understand the difference between being baptized IN something versus being baptized INTO something? Israel was baptized IN the Red Sea, and IN the cloud, but they were baptized INTO Moses in those things.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body (not water) —whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

Again, we are baptized IN water INTO the body of Christ. We drink of the Spirit when He removes our sin IN (DURING) water baptism.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Men water baptize, not the Spirit

yes I agree.

en is translated as either with, in or by

7 times we read the verb baptizo, the Greek preposition en, and the Holy Spirit

why should one example differ from the other 6?

It is the presence of the Holy Spirit which makes one a Christian not water

Romans 8:9 (LEB) — 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, this person does not belong to him.

If I am told I am baptized into Christ. I am baptized into christ.

No man can do this, man can baptize me into water.

water is not the same as Christ. God baptizes me into Christ.

 

[TomL]

yes I agree.

If I am told I am baptized into Christ. I am baptized into christ.

No man can do this, man can baptize me into water.

water is not the same as Christ. God baptizes me into Christ.

Amen. One is not momentarily placed in Christ and immediately withdrawn

Only the Holy Spirit can place a man in Christ and keep him there

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Sure there are many baptisms mentioned in the NT, but there is only one that is associated with salvation, and that is water baptism.

wrong.

He does not say that it is by that baptism that we will be saved.

Unless your baptized into the death of christ, your still dead in your sins,..

LOL, This baptism, of the Holy Spirit and fire, was received by the 120 on Pentecost and by those Gentiles in Cornelius' house in Acts 10. It has not happened again.

Actually no your wrong

No one was baptized in fire to this date. Being baptized in a fire that shall nerver be quenched is when Jesus baptizes the lost of this world into the lake of fire.

There doesn't need to be water in Rom 6 or Col 2.

Actually yes there does. for you to be right

Those two passages are talking about how we become saved, in the one baptism that saves, and 1 Pet 3:21 says that the baptism that saves us is the truth of which the Flood is the shadow. It is clear that water baptism was taught by Phillip to the Eunuch, because it is the Eunuch who asked for water baptism as they went along.

No

It does not say I was "baptized in water" in his death,

It does nto say I was "baptized in water" into his body

it says I was baptized (a verb) into his body.

Do you not understand the difference between being baptized IN something versus being baptized INTO something? Israel was baptized IN the Red Sea, and IN the cloud, but they were baptized INTO Moses in those things.

No. they were baptized into Moses.. They were united with him, in the sea and the cloud

When youi baptize someone into something, You put them in that something, or you place them into union with that someone

as they were baptized into moses. we are baptized into christ.

Again, we are baptized IN water INTO the body of Christ. We drink of the Spirit when He removes our sin IN (DURING) water baptism.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The word is not used t=in this way in any ancient manuscript.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Amen. One is not momentarily placed in Christ and immediately withdrawn

Only the Holy Spirit can place a man in Christ and keep him there

You got it!!

 

[TomL]

Sure there are many baptisms mentioned in the NT, but there is only one that is associated with salvation, and that is water baptism.

So you throw out the Spirit the element with which Christ baptizes

Matthew 3:11 (LEB) — 11 I baptize you with water for repentance, but the one who comes after me is more powerful than I am, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Mark 1:8 (LEB) — 8 I baptized you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”

Luke 3:16 (LEB) — 16 John answered them all, saying, “I baptize you with water, but the one who is more powerful than I am is coming, of whom I am not worthy to untie the strap of his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

and opt for a work of man over it

 

[dwight92070]

Do you see how Doug believes that it takes two people to get saved? One is the person wanting to be saved. The second person is needed to baptize the first person, so that he can be saved. Then do they switch places, so the second person can also get saved? There is no salvation without two people, according to Doug's doctrine.

I believe there is no salvation without faith in Jesus. He believes there is no salvation without two people. I asked him for scripture on that but so far -crickets.

 

[Doug Brents]

wrong.

Eph 4:5 - There is only one Lord, one faith, one baptism.
The only baptism mentioned in Scripture that is for salvation is in water (1 Pet 3:1). Any other baptism mentioned in the NT is not for salvation.

Unless your baptized into the death of christ, your still dead in your sins,..

True, but this does not mean that you are baptized in the death Christ died. We do not have to be physically crucified to be saved.

Actually no your wrong

No one was baptized in fire to this date. Being baptized in a fire that shall nerver be quenched is when Jesus baptizes the lost of this world into the lake of fire.

That is one way of looking at it, but not necessarily the only one. The Spirit came down on them on Pentecost in tongues that looked like flame (Acts 2:3).

Actually yes there does. for you to be right

No. These passages mention baptism in addition to the actions of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit takes action "in baptism", "through baptism". He is not THE baptism, but the active participant IN baptism.

No

It does not say I was "baptized in water" in his death,

It does nto say I was "baptized in water" into his body

it says I was baptized (a verb) into his body.

We are not immersed (baptizo) into His physical body. When we are immersed (in water, like the Flood (1 Pet 3:21)) we are joined to the Church; His Body. This is reiterated in Gal 3:26-27 and Eph 5:26-27.

No. they were baptized into Moses.. They were united with him, in the sea and the cloud

Precisely. They were united to Moses by being immersed in the Sea and the Cloud; just as we are united to Christ and His death by being immersed in water.

When youi baptize someone into something, You put them in that something, or you place them into union with that someone

As you said above, Israel was baptized into Moses in the Sea and the cloud. They were not immersed in Moses, they were immersed in the cloud and in the Sea. But they were not joined to the Sea or to the cloud, they were joined to Moses

 

[Doug Brents]

Do you see how Doug believes that it takes two people to get saved? One is the person wanting to be saved. The second person is needed to baptize the first person, so that he can be saved. Then do they switch places, so the second person can also get saved? There is no salvation without two people, according to Doug's doctrine.

There is no salvation without Christ Jesus. But you want to remove Him from the picture too.

I believe there is no salvation without faith in Jesus. He believes there is no salvation without two people. I asked him for scripture on that but so far -crickets.

What did Jesus command just before He ascended into Heaven? "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit teaching them to follow all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age." If the teacher is not doing the baptizing, then the teacher is violating the command of God to all of us.

 

[Doug Brents]

So you throw out the Spirit the element with which Christ baptizes

Matthew 3:11 (LEB) — 11 I baptize you with water for repentance, but the one who comes after me is more powerful than I am, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Mark 1:8 (LEB) — 8 I baptized you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”

Luke 3:16 (LEB) — 16 John answered them all, saying, “I baptize you with water, but the one who is more powerful than I am is coming, of whom I am not worthy to untie the strap of his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

and opt for a work of man over it

Talk about your strawman.

I have never said anything about the Spirit not being absolutely necessary in salvation. He is the active participant in baptism. It is He who cuts our sin from us during baptism (Col 2:11-14). It is He who, through the power of the blood of Christ, gives us a clean conscience (1 Pet 3:21). It is He who causes us to die to sin and be united to Jesus' death and resurrection (Rom 6:1-7). It is He who clothes us with Christ and makes us children of God (Gal 3:26-27). It is He who cleans us and removes every spot and makes us perfect (Eph 5:26-27).

But it is not "Spirit baptism" (which has only happened twice in all history) that is the baptism through which we are saved (1 Pet 3:21, Acts 8:36, Acts 22:16).

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Do you see how Doug believes that it takes two people to get saved? One is the person wanting to be saved. The second person is needed to baptize the first person, so that he can be saved. Then do they switch places, so the second person can also get saved? There is no salvation without two people, according to Doug's doctrine.

I believe there is no salvation without faith in Jesus. He believes there is no salvation without two people. I asked him for scripture on that but so far -crickets.

Sadly, Water baptism is to the church what Circumcision was to the jew.

He believes in his work of baptism, I believe in Gods work baptizing me into himself.

 

[Doug Brents]

Sadly, Water baptism is to the church what Circumcision was to the jew.

He believes in his work of baptism, I believe in Gods work baptizing me into himself.

Don't you just love the gossip that goes on here. Very Christlike, wouldn't you say?

Water baptism is not the same as circumcision was in the OT. You cannot whip out your baptism and show it to demonstrate that you are "in Christ", as they could could circumcision.

And I do not believe that works save in any way. I believe that the Holy Spirit saves through the power of the blood of Christ through our faith. Y'all just misunderstand what faith is.

 

[TomL]

Talk about your strawman.

I have never said anything about the Spirit not being absolutely necessary in salvation. He is the active participant in baptism. It is He who cuts our sin from us during baptism (Col 2:11-14). It is He who, through the power of the blood of Christ, gives us a clean conscience (1 Pet 3:21). It is He who causes us to die to sin and be united to Jesus' death and resurrection (Rom 6:1-7). It is He who clothes us with Christ and makes us children of God (Gal 3:26-27). It is He who cleans us and removes every spot and makes us perfect (Eph 5:26-27).

But it is not "Spirit baptism" (which has only happened twice in all history) that is the baptism through which we are saved (1 Pet 3:21, Acts 8:36, Acts 22:16).

Baptism en the Spirit

Jesus baptizes with the Spirit

deal with the point

 

[Doug Brents]

Baptism en the Spirit

Jesus baptizes with the Spirit

deal with the point

I already have. The Holy Spirit takes action during water baptism. This is 'baptism en the Holy Spirit', and it occurs during water baptism.

 

[dwight92070]

There is no salvation without Christ Jesus. But you want to remove Him from the picture too.

What did Jesus command just before He ascended into Heaven? "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit teaching them to follow all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age." If the teacher is not doing the baptizing, then the teacher is violating the command of God to all of us.

Salvation does not require 2 people, as Doug teaches - a person who wants to be saved and another person to baptize that person.

The word "disciple" or "disciples" is used 270 times in the New Testament. Out of the 270, 253 are referring to the followers of Jesus - That's 94%.
The other 6%, or just 17 verses, refer to the followers of John, or the Pharisees - one referred to Moses and another referred to Saul. So when Jesus said to go and make disciples of all the nations, He is not referring to those who simply followed Him around to get healed or to just tweak their curiosity. Why would Jesus ask His 12 to make uncommitted curiosity seekers of all the nations? That would be foolish - and Jesus was not foolish.

So when He says to "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them .... ", He's referring to 100% committed born again, saved, Christians. Acts 11:26 " ... and the disciples were first called 'Christians' in Antioch."
"Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple." Luke 14:27

So Jesus is clear in Matthew 28:19. Go and make 100% committed, born again, saved Christians of all the nations - THEN baptize them.

 

[TomL]

I already have. The Holy Spirit takes action during water baptism. This is 'baptism en the Holy Spirit', and it occurs during water baptism.

Um it did not take place simultaneously In Acts 8 or Acts 10 or 19

Now is it when one receives the spirit one becomes a Christian and a new creation

 

[dwight92070]

I already have. The Holy Spirit takes action during water baptism. This is 'baptism en the Holy Spirit', and it occurs during water baptism.

I guess the Holy Spirit didn't get your memo, when he fell on Cornelius' family, without them being baptized.

 

[TomL]

I guess the Holy Spirit didn't get your memo, when he fell on Cornelius' family, without them being baptized.

Nor the Samaritans when they were water baptized but had not received the spirit

 

[Doug Brents]

Salvation does not require 2 people, as Doug teaches - a person who wants to be saved and another person to baptize that person.

The word "disciple" or "disciples" is used 270 times in the New Testament. Out of the 270, 253 are referring to the followers of Jesus - That's 94%.
The other 6%, or just 17 verses, refer to the followers of John, or the Pharisees - one referred to Moses and another referred to Saul. So when Jesus said to go and make disciples of all the nations, He is not referring to those who simply followed Him around to get healed or to just tweak their curiosity. Why would Jesus ask His 12 to make uncommitted curiosity seekers of all the nations? That would be foolish - and Jesus was not foolish.

John 6:66 - "As a result of this many of His disciples left, and would no longer walk with Him."
These individuals were not saved, nor were they completely dedicated to Jesus. Yet they were called "disciples". Disciples simply means follower or student. Go make followers/students. And then bring them to salvation through baptism.

So when He says to "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them .... ", He's referring to 100% committed born again, saved, Christians.

No, just because a person is a disciple does not mean that they are 100% committed, or born again, or saved.

Acts 11:26 " ... and the disciples were first called 'Christians' in Antioch."
"Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple." Luke 14:27

So Jesus is clear in Matthew 28:19. Go and make 100% committed, born again, saved Christians of all the nations - THEN baptize them.

Read the context of Luke 14:27. Jesus is making exaggerated statements to make a point. The disciples that were there were just "groupies", but He wanted committed disciples. So He tells them hard statements to weed out the groupies from the committed, but they were all still disciples (followers/students).

I guess the Holy Spirit didn't get your memo, when he fell on Cornelius' family, without them being baptized.

As we have discussed already, the Holy Spirit falling on Cornelius' family was not a sign of their salvation. It was a sign to the Jews that the Gentiles COULD be saved. They were not saved until they were baptized in water shortly thereafter.

 

[TomL]

As we have discussed already, the Holy Spirit falling on Cornelius' family was not a sign of their salvation. It was a sign to the Jews that the Gentiles COULD be saved. They were not saved until they were baptized in water shortly thereafter.

Sounds like denial

You have stated men are baptised in the Spirit during water baptism

But the gentiles were baptised en the Spirit before water baptism

Acts 11:15–18 (YLT) — 15 ‘And in my beginning to speak, the Holy Spirit did fall upon them, even as also upon us in the beginning, 16 and I remembered the saying of the Lord, how he said, John indeed did baptize with water, and ye shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit; 17 if then the equal gift God did give to them as also to us, having believed upon the Lord Jesus Christ, I—how was I able to withstand God?’ 18 And they, having heard these things, were silent, and were glorifying God, saying, ‘Then, indeed, also to the nations did God give the reformation to life.’

You have made the action of the Spirit of no value