The Trinity made easy

[Lions Mane]

The grace (favor and spiritual blessing) of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the presence and fellowship (the communion and sharing together, and participation) in the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen (so be it). 2 Corinthians 13:14

“Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.” Philippians 2:5–8

We also clearly see that before and after His incarnation, Jesus beams again with undimmed divine glory.

 

[mikesw]

According to John 17:1-3, if the Father alone is the only true God, then the Trinity is not the only true God.

Huh? How can the Trinity be a separate god when the Trinity explains the true Triune God. It seems like unitarians have some straw man they are attacking that has nothing to do with the debate and does not represent the Trinitarian recognition of the true Godhead.

This is extremely easy to understand and most random people I've asked agree. We couldn't have asked for a better gift than John 17:1-3, 1 Corinthians 8:4-6, and Ephesians 4:6.

If you ask narrow questions, you can get agreement from people who are equally ignorant or misinformed of the fuller sense of scripture. If you ask me if there is one god, my answer is indeed there is one god who is the Triune God of scripture. But we have seen in some survey that many people do not realize that God is Triune. That however does not deny the true Triune God but shows shows an increasing portion of people are becoming ignorant of that fact.

You can also ask people if Jesus's point about existing before Abraham points to pre-existence with God of the one who people saw and knew as Jesus. Do they acknowledge the testimony of scripture or fall for the unitarian gloss over its meaning?

 

[Runningman]

Huh? How can the Trinity be a separate god when the Trinity explains the true Triune God. It seems like unitarians have some straw man they are attacking that has nothing to do with the debate and does not represent the Trinitarian recognition of the true Godhead.

Most Unitarians are probably just not even recognizing the trinitarian as even a valid god at all. Once people stop talking about the trinity then we we just go back to discussing important matters like God and other things like building each other up, salvation, etc.

If you ask narrow questions, you can get agreement from people who are equally ignorant or misinformed of the fuller sense of scripture. If you ask me if there is one god, my answer is indeed there is one god who is the Triune God of scripture. But we have seen in some survey that many people do not realize that God is Triune. That however does not deny the true Triune God but shows shows an increasing portion of people are becoming ignorant of that fact.

It's revealing how people intuitively understand Scripture to mean Jesus isn't God when they haven't been exposed to doctrines perpetuated by the trinitarian church. And it isn't all too uncommon either, especially among young people, who have never even heard of Jesus Christ. Yes, that's in the USA. They don't talk about him in school or really most places in public anymore. An entire generation is ready to come to the Father and understand that Jesus is His anointed, empowered, exalted son, and a human nonetheless. A reset was what was needed to correct the course.

Now we got it and Unitarians are taking advantage of it. Do you know how easy it is to show how the Bible states Jesus is a human approved by God, resurrected by God, anointed, and empowered by God? A man between God and mankind? Super easy and people believe that easily and it's powerful to actually have Scripture that talks about that and how God is in contrast to Jesus.

You can also ask people if Jesus's point about existing before Abraham points to pre-existence with God of the one who people saw and knew as Jesus. Do they acknowledge the testimony of scripture or fall for the unitarian gloss over its meaning?

I've never asked that, but when people read someone say "I am" they don't ever intuitively take that to mean someone is claiming to have pre-existed.

 

[mikesw]

Most Unitarians are probably just not even recognizing the trinitarian as even a valid god at all. Once people stop talking about the trinity then we we just go back to discussing important matters like God and other things like building each other up, salvation, etc.

sure. after you dismiss who God is then you share issues important to you.

It's revealing how people intuitively understand Scripture to mean Jesus isn't God when they haven't been exposed to doctrines perpetuated by the trinitarian church. And it isn't all too uncommon either, especially among young people, who have never even heard of Jesus Christ. Yes, that's in the USA. They don't talk about him in school or really most places in public anymore. An entire generation is ready to come to the Father and understand that Jesus is His anointed, empowered, exalted son, and a human nonetheless. A reset was what was needed to correct the course. Now we got it and Unitarians are taking advantage of it.

That can be the root of much misunderstanding when people come up with their own uneducated guesses on doctrines. I suspect that heresies thrive with lack of sufficient teaching.

I've never asked that, but when people read someone say "I am" they don't ever intuitively take that to mean someone is claiming to have pre-existed.

Sure. People miss the idea of scriptures because they do not look at the basic meaning in its context.

 

[Runningman]

sure. after you dismiss who God is then you share issues important to you.

Well, God isn't a trinity according to the Bible. Remember John 17:3, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6, etc? Those aren't going away any time soon. You could write a master's paper on the trinity and I would knock it down with just a single verse powerful enough to debunk it.

That can be the root of much misunderstanding when people come up with their own uneducated guesses on doctrines. I suspect that heresies thrive with lack of sufficient teaching.

The only reason you would want to teach someone what the Bible says is if you disagreed with it and needed to put a spin on it. I don't teach anyone. I simply show them what the Bible says.

Sure. People miss the idea of scriptures because they do not look at the basic meaning in its context.

That explains why what the Bible literally says is such a stumbling block for you. It all has to be reinterpreted until what you produce is never actually stated in the Bible in the first place. One of the common errors of the trinitarian is they hold their interpretations above what the Bible provides.

 

[mikesw]

Well, God isn't a trinity according to the Bible. Remember John 17:3, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6, etc? Those aren't going away any time soon. You could write a master's paper on the trinity and I would knock it down with just a single verse powerful enough to debunk it.

You use half of the scriptures and end up with half-truths. Not so amazing the results you get.

The only reason you would want to teach someone what the Bible says is if you disagreed with it and needed to put a spin on it. I don't teach anyone. I simply show them what the Bible says.

You do a fine job of misinterpreting it on your own. Now you help others do the same. What good is that?

That explains why what the Bible literally says is such a stumbling block for you. It all has to be reinterpreted until what you produce is never actually stated in the Bible in the first place. One of the common errors of the trinitarian is they hold their interpretations above what the Bible provides.

You just deny the meaning of each passage that exposes the unitarian false beliefs.

 

[Runningman]

You use half of the scriptures and end up with half-truths. Not so amazing the results you get.

You do a fine job of misinterpreting it on your own. Now you help others do the same. What good is that?

You just deny the meaning of each passage that exposes the unitarian false beliefs.

From a purely evidential perspective, based on the text of Scripture, we have more evidence for our God than you all do for yours. I don't believe in presenting alleged revelations of Scripture about who I believe God is that were not already explained by someone with the authority to explain them, such as God or the prophets. None of them repeat what your conclusions are, but I repeat their conclusions and don't add to them. When you represent someone, especially someone as who you think God is, you should not put words either in His mouth or His authorized representatives. You were never invited to do that nor are authorized to.

If you claim to be speaking a message in the name of God, YHWH said that you and your trinity are in danger. If you believe in God, this should give you pause. It's no small matter to distort or misrepresent the Bible. This is why no one in the Bible ever speaks of a trinity nor would they have dared to.

Deut. 18
17Then the LORD said to me, “They have spoken well. 18I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19And I will hold accountable anyone who does not listen to My words that the prophet speaks in My name. 20But if any prophet dares to speak a message in My name that I have not commanded him to speak, or to speak in the name of other gods, that prophet must be put to death.”

 

[mikesw]

From a purely evidential perspective, based on the text of Scripture, we have more evidence for our God than you all do for yours. I don't believe in presenting alleged revelations of Scripture about who I believe God is that were not already explained by someone with the authority to explain them, such as God or the prophets. None of them repeat what your conclusions are, but I repeat their conclusions and don't add to them. When you represent someone, especially someone as who you think God is, you should not put words either in His mouth or His authorized representatives. You were never invited to do that nor are authorized to.

If you claim to be speaking a message in the name of God, YHWH said that you and your trinity are in danger. If you believe in God, this should give you pause. It's no small matter to distort or misrepresent the Bible. This is why no one in the Bible ever speaks of a trinity nor would they have dared to.

Deut. 18
17Then the LORD said to me, “They have spoken well. 18I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19And I will hold accountable anyone who does not listen to My words that the prophet speaks in My name. 20But if any prophet dares to speak a message in My name that I have not commanded him to speak, or to speak in the name of other gods, that prophet must be put to death.”

Great twisting of message to endorse the unitarian fallacy. You deny all the evidence. Then you show further ignorance in calling the sharing of theology as making one a prophet. That again shows the errors that unitarians follow in making their arguments.

Somehow you demand that God share everything explicitly in the prophets when scripture says the prophets sought to understand who the Messiah would be. Nor does it seem like the prophets would endorse your denial of NT passages about the preexistence of the Son of God. You make God in your image instead of letting God reveal himself. Like is found in New Age thought, the unitarian decreases who Christ is and exalts himself to be divinity like Christ.

 

[e v e]

God isn't alone, but as far as being God goes there are no others according to the Bible. Not sure if you believe that or not.

First commandment is Good.

 

[Keiw1]

The grace (favor and spiritual blessing) of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the presence and fellowship (the communion and sharing together, and participation) in the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen (so be it). 2 Corinthians 13:14

“Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.” Philippians 2:5–8

We also clearly see that before and after His incarnation, Jesus beams again with undimmed divine glory.

Error in translations that say that. Not all translations say that. Its a simple matter to know if ones translation is Gods or altered. All scholars know 100% God put his name in his bible over 7000 spots. Men removed it( they had no right) replaced it with titles-GOD or LORD= OT nearly 6800 spots. Over 200 spots in NT where those spots are quoted. By satan's will to mislead they removed it. No wonder Jesus teaches that these last days are just like Noah's day( 99.9% mislead)--these think they have truth, but do not match Jesus' teachings. Just some of them but missing many important ones, they teach them but not even close. These( 2 Thess 2:3) = the religion that came out of Rome in the 300,s give or take. Yet bad teachings were getting in by the 2nd century steadily, Some even before after Jesus died. In peters book and Titus had to be left behind to correct error teachings that got in.
Its all in ones translation they use= in the light or the dark.

 

[Affinity]

Error in translations that say that. Not all translations say that. Its a simple matter to know if ones translation is Gods or altered. All scholars know 100% God put his name in his bible over 7000 spots. Men removed it( they had no right) replaced it with titles-GOD or LORD= OT nearly 6800 spots. Over 200 spots in NT where those spots are quoted. By satan's will to mislead they removed it. No wonder Jesus teaches that these last days are just like Noah's day( 99.9% mislead)--these think they have truth, but do not match Jesus' teachings. Just some of them but missing many important ones, they teach them but not even close. These( 2 Thess 2:3) = the religion that came out of Rome in the 300,s give or take. Yet bad teachings were getting in by the 2nd century steadily, Some even before after Jesus died. In peters book and Titus had to be left behind to correct error teachings that got in.
Its all in ones translation they use= in the light or the dark.

conspiracy theory

Various Bible translation conspiracy theories circulate, often claiming that modern translations deliberately alter the text to serve a hidden agenda. The two most prominent versions of this theory are the King James Only movement and claims surrounding the mistranslation of a key Greek word related to homosexuality in the mid-20th century.

 

[Keiw1]

conspiracy theory

Various Bible translation conspiracy theories circulate, often claiming that modern translations deliberately alter the text to serve a hidden agenda. The two most prominent versions of this theory are the King James Only movement and claims surrounding the mistranslation of a key Greek word related to homosexuality in the mid-20th century.

Its not conspiracy theory. Many bad teachings got in all along after Jesus died, even worse after they were killing the followers of Jesus as a public display in the Colosseum, as well Nero was hanging followers of Jesus on poles along the entrance way to the city and setting them on fire to light the roadway. So correction wasn't made after this time because most were killed, Each century through the 3rd or 4th many untruths got in= 0 doubt. These men during that period are the ones who translated the latin vulgate and codex sinacticus-Koine Greek writings are translated from those 2 for the NT at least. Very few minor fragments older than those translations exist. The men who did the 2 translations= 2Thess 2:3.
100% fact= The removal of Gods name in his bible against his will was done by satans will to mislead and it has.
The ones using those translations do not teach what Jesus taught correctly. They do not match.