The Thousand Year Reign

[Studyman]

i would adjust this so that it is accurate according to TRUTH = Hebrews 9:23-28

Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;
a.) not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another—
b.) He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world;
c.) but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin (once) by the sacrifice of Himself.
d.) And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,
E.) so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.

Yes, as I said, based on what Hebrews 7-10 clearly show, the Priesthood Covenant with Levi was Finished. No Longer do we have Levite Priests as a advocate between us and God.

But we still need an advocate, you do believe this don't you DT? Jesus is now the Advocate, Yes? And why do we still need an advocate?

To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

But David, lots of people "claim to wait for Him". Both the "Dead in Christ", like Abraham and Rehab and Paul, and those who call Him Lord, Lord, but did not "Yield themselves" to God.

Isn't that why Paul said about God "Who will render to every man according to his deeds".

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Wasn't your teaching "A thru E also true when Paul wrote these Words?

 

[Jim]

The second resurrection is the Second Death/Eternal Death = Revelation 2:11 & Rev 20:11-15

There is no actual statement about a second resurrection. It must be assumed. There is a statement about the second death, but that is not the same thing as the second death.

CHRIST is the First Resurrection = 1 Corinthians ch15

Christ was the first to be resurrected physically from the dead.

When we are Born-Again it is the First Part/Element of the First Resurrection John 3:1-10

That is not about the physical resurrection from the dead. It is about the spiritual resurrection from being spiriutally dead.

The Second Coming of Christ continues to be = the FIRST Resurrection = Gospel, 1 Thess 4:13-18, 1 Cor ch15 & Revelation

The first resurrection of Revelation 20:5 is the resurrection of the spirit described in John 3:1-10. The resurrection described in 1 Corinthians 15 is all about the resurrection at the end of the age when Christ returns. The thousand years of Revelation 20 is a figurative reference to the entire church age between the first coming of Jesus, actually the inauguration at Pentecost, and the second coming of Jesus. This is the millenium. We are "reigning now with Christ".

 

[DavidTree]

I would argue with this teaching, although I understand how popular it is, based on what is actually written.

John 3: 5., Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

1 Thess. 4: 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the "dead in Christ" shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Jesus Himself said there will be "MANY", when HE returns, that are convinced they are "born Again", when they are not. We Live by Faith. Being "born again" doesn't mean to join a religious social club, or to go from one religious sect to another.

I think when a man repents, (Passover to them) their journey begins. They are tested, they grown in the knowledge of God, and those who endure being Faithful to God, to the End of their life, "shall be saved". Paul points this out in my understanding.

Eph. 4: 21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

24 And that "ye put on" the new man, which after God (Not this world's religious traditions and philosophies) is created "in righteousness and true holiness".

This is why, in my view, Paul teaches to "Press towards" the Perfection that was in Christ Jesus every day.

2 Cor. 5: 9 Wherefore we (The Body of Christ) labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

And Peter, the same Theme.

2 Pet. 3: 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent "that ye may be found of him" in peace, without spot, and blameless.

Paul and Peter rested in Hope that they might see HIM in the First resurrection, not the resurrection those Christians in Matt. 7:22 found themselves in.

I think when a man repents, (Passover to them) their journey begins. They are tested, they grown in the knowledge of God, and those who endure being Faithful to God, to the End of their life, "shall be saved". Paul points this out in my understanding.

The Journey Begins before repentance for the Journey always and for everyone Begins with the FATHER.

Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves.
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me


TRUE repentance is the manifestation of that which the Holy Spirit is moving upon a man's heart = conviction of sin
This occurs during & after the FATHER calls those via His Holy Spirit

God's Perfection is CHRIST

God does not require us to be "perfect" to receive Salvation = HE requires FAITH in His WORD which is the LORD Jesus Christ

JESUS Says: "Be ye perfect as your heavenly FATHER is perfect"

Be
Ἔσεσθε (Esesthe)
Verb - Future Indicative Middle - 2nd Person Plural
Strong's Greek 1510: I am, exist. The first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist.

perfect,
τέλειοι (teleioi)
Adjective - Nominative Masculine Plural
Strong's Greek 5046: From telos; complete; neuter completeness.

Do you understand this???

 

[DavidTree]

There is no actual statement about a second resurrection

the Holy Spirit emphasized the two are separated by 1,000 Years when we embrace "every word Spoken by God"
Daniel 12:2 , Gospel , Matthew 22:29-33 , Revelation chapter 20

Christ was the first to be resurrected physically from the dead.
That is not about the physical resurrection from the dead.

You begin here with Truth but then you deny Truth.
The Physical Resurrection of Christ and how His Physical Resurrection is DIRECTLY related to our physical resurrection = GOSPEL,
1 Thess 4:13-18 & 1 Cor chapter 15

For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve.

Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead,
how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

The first resurrection of Revelation 20:5 is the resurrection of the spirit described in John 3:1-10. The resurrection described in 1 Corinthians 15 is all about the resurrection at the end of the age when Christ returns. The thousand years of Revelation 20 is a figurative reference to the entire church age between the first coming of Jesus, actually the inauguration at Pentecost, and the second coming of Jesus. This is the millenium. We are "reigning now with Christ".

You made the mistake of absorbing a Truth(John 3:1-10) into another Truth(Rev 20:5) by which you conclude the first TRUTH is the exact SAME as the other TRUTH(Rev 20:5) and thus make an error.

See Post 76

 

[DavidTree]

There is no actual statement about a second resurrection. It must be assumed. There is a statement about the second death, but that is not the same thing as the second death.

Christ was the first to be resurrected physically from the dead.

That is not about the physical resurrection from the dead. It is about the spiritual resurrection from being spiriutally dead.

The first resurrection of Revelation 20:5 is the resurrection of the spirit described in John 3:1-10. The resurrection described in 1 Corinthians 15 is all about the resurrection at the end of the age when Christ returns. The thousand years of Revelation 20 is a figurative reference to the entire church age between the first coming of Jesus, actually the inauguration at Pentecost, and the second coming of Jesus. This is the millenium. We are "reigning now with Christ".

Post 84 has been UPdated

 

[DavidTree]

Yes, as I said, based on what Hebrews 7-10 clearly show, the Priesthood Covenant with Levi was Finished. No Longer do we have Levite Priests as a advocate between us and God.

But we still need an advocate, you do believe this don't you DT? Jesus is now the Advocate, Yes? And why do we still need an advocate?



But David, lots of people "claim to wait for Him". Both the "Dead in Christ", like Abraham and Rehab and Paul, and those who call Him Lord, Lord, but did not "Yield themselves" to God.

Isn't that why Paul said about God "Who will render to every man according to his deeds".

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Wasn't your teaching "A thru E also true when Paul wrote these Words?

But we still need an advocate, you do believe this don't you DT? Jesus is now the Advocate, Yes?

YES, YES, YES = ABSOLUTELY

Wasn't your teaching "A thru E also true when Paul wrote these Words?

A thru E does not, in any way, negate what Paul wrote but DIRECTS what Paul wrote = can you understand this???

 

[praise_yeshua]

You must be kidding? Its proven fact Catholicism translating altered Gods word in the 4th century and added errors to fit false council teachings-all by satans will. When the protestants translated only Catholicism translating remained of the NT plus very few fragments of older translating. God fixed his translation here in the last days. The New world translation. It is 100% fact. The world will find out the hard way. No wonder Jesus compares these last days to Noahs day( Luke 17:26)

Codex Alexandrinus was NOT produced by Catholicism. That argument could be made for Vaticanus. You really need to study more.

 

[Selah]

Revelation 20:4-6 (KJV) 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Here’s the way I “see” it: The First Resurrection is of the soul, and it’s to immortality (eternal life). We need to remember that we’re in the Millennium at this time. The 7th trump has sounded and Jesus has returned (His Second Coming). So there are no more flesh bodies because we have all been changed.
1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (KJV) 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[DavidTree]

Revelation 20:4-6 (KJV) 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Here’s the way I “see” it: The First Resurrection is of the soul, and it’s to immortality (eternal life). We need to remember that we’re in the Millennium at this time. The 7th trump has sounded and Jesus has returned (His Second Coming). So there are no more flesh bodies because we have all been changed.
1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (KJV) 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible(dead bodies in the grave and the physically alive) must put on incorruption

 

[Selah]

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible(dead bodies in the grave and the physically alive) must put on incorruption

So the "dead" (who are alive in their spiritual bodies) in the Millennium means those who are spiritually dead. To "live" then is to receive eternal life. So the "dead" cannot "live" until the thousand years are finished because none of them can receive the gift of eternal life until the GWTJ following the Millennium, which would be the second resurrection. The 1,000 years will be a time of teaching for those who were never taught the Word of God. Those of the First Resurrection will reign with Christ (teaching) during this time.

 

[Red Baker]

@Jim

I agree that the first resurrection of Revelation 20:5 is the resurrection spoken of in John 5:24-25. I am not sure what you intend with the phrase, "Christ's resurrection". The first resurrection and that of John 24-25 is regeneration, i.e., being born again. If that is what you intend, then we agree.

My dear brother, I just got in and I'm very tired and hot. I knew before posting this that you of all people would pick up on what I said, and I said it very carefully, knowing that most folks would not see what I was saying, even though they think they see. I'll come back in the morning the Lord willing and the creek does not rise, to enlarge upon what I have posit.

Brother, I truly trust you are doing well, thinking of you often.

 

[DavidTree]

So the "dead" (who are alive in their spiritual bodies) in the Millennium means those who are spiritually dead. To "live" then is to receive eternal life. So the "dead" cannot "live" until the thousand years are finished because none of them can receive the gift of eternal life until the GWTJ following the Millennium, which would be the second resurrection. The 1,000 years will be a time of teaching for those who were never taught the Word of God. Those of the First Resurrection will reign with Christ (teaching) during this time.

the spiritually dead cannot inherit Salvation until/unless they are Born-Again by the Spirit and the Word

1 Corinthians ch15 begins with the Foundation of the physical Resurrection of Jesus Christ = 1 Cor 15:3-8

For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.

the Holy Spirit (thru Paul) STRESSES the IMPORTANCE of the physical resurrection of those who died in Christ

Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead,
how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

the Holy Spirit continues on emphasizing the graves will open and the dead will rise based on Christ's literal & physical Resurrection from the Grave.

But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen.
And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise. For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.

the Holy Spirit (thru Paul) DIRECTLY connects the physical Resurrection of Christ to our physical resurrection

 

[Selah]

the Holy Spirit (thru Paul) STRESSES the IMPORTANCE of the physical resurrection of those who died in Christ

Not physical.

Consider when angels have appeared to man. Do they not look like physical beings?… like everybody else? …but they’re not; they’re spiritual beings.

 

[Selah]

Daniel 9:21 (KJV) Yea, whiles I [was] speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

 

[DavidTree]

Not physical.

Always default to "It is written" = Gospel , 1 Corinthians ch15

John 20:24-27 (After His Physical Resurrection)
Now Thomas, called the Twin, one of the twelve, was not with them when Jesus came.
The other disciples therefore said to him, “We have seen the Lord.” = (Did they see the spirit of Christ or His physical Body)

So Thomas said to them, “Unless I see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.”

And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, “Peace to you!”
Then JESUS said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.”

1 Corinthians 15:12
Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead,
how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen.

Consider when angels have appeared to man. Do they not look like physical beings?… like everybody else? …but they’re not; they’re spiritual beings.

CORRECT - AMEN

JESUS and the Holy Spirit Both tell us when "our mortal/physical bodies will be TRANSFORMED into SPIRITUAL Beings like angels

Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage.
But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Holy Spirit = 1 Cor ch15
But someone will say, “How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?”
36Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies.
37And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain.
38But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body.

39All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.

40There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.

42So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.
44It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

46However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.
47The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven.
48As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly.
49And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the Heavenly Man.

 

[Keiw1]

Codex Alexandrinus was NOT produced by Catholicism. That argument could be made for Vaticanus. You really need to study more.

425 ce--Only Catholicism existed by then of a religion claiming to be christian-- So yes Catholicism translated it.

 

[Red Baker]

@Jim

I agree that the first resurrection of Revelation 20:5 is the resurrection spoken of in John 5:24-25. I am not sure what you intend with the phrase, "Christ's resurrection". The first resurrection and that of John 24-25 is regeneration, i.e., being born again. If that is what you intend, then we agree.

The second resurrection is that of 1 Corinthians 15:22 and also John 5:28-29.

Good morning my dear friend. I feel better this morning after a good night of rest. Well, I did wake up early with a sciatic nerve going down my left leg. It has been giving me problems lately after a fall I had about three weeks ago. I fell in a parking lot not watching what I was doing and tripped over one of those concrete bumpers and hit the pavement. It could had been worse than it was.

Jim, let me see if I can explain this in a way that makes sense. I'll start here:

Acts 26:23​

“That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”

While you and I would agree that John 5:25 is speaking of a spiritual resurrection that takes place when one is born again, per Ephesians 2:1, etc.

John 5:25​

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.”

Without question this is a spiritual resurrection, that each one of God's children experience in this life, yet teh scriptures does not implies this to be the FIRST. This resurrection is a vital resurrection that has happened since Abel on to this very day.

Jim there is a legal resurrection that took place when Christ arose from the dead, which resurrection secured and guarantee our spiritual resurrection from spiritually dead in trespasses and sins dead that NOW IS taking place since Abel onward. Please consider:

Ephesians 2:4​

“But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:”
Brother Jim, this is the FRIST RESURRECTION of the word of God, called the first by Paul in Acts 26:23, when legally we were raised from the dead when Christ arose from the dead and we now legally sit together with Christ in the heavenly, per Revelation 20:5,6

Jim, all that had part in Christ's resurrection by being IN HIM, the second death has no power over them since the law of God has already declared them free of condemnation through the body of Jesus Christ by the resurrection of Christ, who is indeed the resurrection and life.

John 11:25​

“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:”

Jim, many years ago, I preached in Martinsville, Virginia to some preachers from Revelation 2:5,6 ~looking back, all I can now say is that I'm thankful that there was not a Red Baker there then, who now has his understanding much better than he did then,(for I would have been corrected, which is okay) for then I only applied the first resurrection to the new birth and NOT to Christ's resurrection which again, secured and guarantee our spiritual birth, which is "never" spoken as the first resurrection, that took place when Christ arose from the dead. You may need to read this twice to see where I'm coming from.

Ephesians 1:17​

“That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:”

This truth is by no means the milk of God's word, it is for those:

Hebrews 5:14​

“But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.”

 

[Jim]

@Jim

Good morning my dear friend. I feel better this morning after a good night of rest. Well, I did wake up early with a sciatic nerve going down my left leg. It has been giving me problems lately after a fall I had about three weeks ago. I fell in a parking lot not watching what I was doing and tripped over one of those concrete bumpers and hit the pavement. It could had been worse than it was.

Jim, let me see if I can explain this in a way that makes sense. I'll start here:

Acts 26:23​

“That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”

While you and I would agree that John 5:25 is speaking of a spiritual resurrection that takes place when one is born again, per Ephesians 2:1, etc.

John 5:25​

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.”

Without question this is a spiritual resurrection, that each one of God's children experience in this life, yet teh scriptures does not implies this to be the FIRST. This resurrection is a vital resurrection that has happened since Abel on to this very day.

Jim there is a legal resurrection that took place when Christ arose from the dead, which resurrection secured and guarantee our spiritual resurrection from spiritually dead in trespasses and sins dead that NOW IS taking place since Abel onward. Please consider:

Ephesians 2:4​

“But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:”
Brother Jim, this is the FRIST RESURRECTION of the word of God, called the first by Paul in Acts 26:23, when legally we were raised from the dead when Christ arose from the dead and we now legally sit together with Christ in the heavenly, per Revelation 20:5,6

Jim, all that had part in Christ's resurrection by being IN HIM, the second death has no power over them since the law of God has already declared them free of condemnation through the body of Jesus Christ by the resurrection of Christ, who is indeed the resurrection and life.

John 11:25​

“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:”

Jim, many years ago, I preached in Martinsville, Virginia to some preachers from Revelation 2:5,6 ~looking back, all I can now say is that I'm thankful that there was not a Red Baker there then, who now has his understanding much better than he did then,(for I would have been corrected, which is okay) for then I only applied the first resurrection to the new birth and NOT to Christ's resurrection which again, secured and guarantee our spiritual birth, which is "never" spoken as the first resurrection, that took place when Christ arose from the dead. You may need to read this twice to see where I'm coming from.

Ephesians 1:17​

“That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:”

This truth is by no means the milk of God's word, it is for those:

Hebrews 5:14​

“But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.”

Hey there Red, sorry to hear about your fall. But the statistics show that so many of us will experience a fall, with some that have really bad results. My own grandmother, who lived to be 104, fell and broke her hip when she was 102. She never really recovered from that. From the day of the fall she spent the rest of her life in a wheelchair living in a home for seniors. Before that she lived in her own home and took care of herself. You take it easy and don't do any more falls.

I understand what you are saying, and I can sort of agree that Jesus was the first resurrection. Jesus is called the firstfruits in 1 Corinthians 15:20. But He is never called the first resurrection. And I don't think that is what is meant in Revelation 20:5. I think the first resurrection in Revelation 20:5 is described by Revelation 20:4. Specifically, it was those John "saw" and described in verse 4. There were three distinct groups. (1)Those who were seated on the thrones. (2)Those who were dead (he saw their souls) who had been killed for their testimony of Jesus and the word of God. (3)Those who were both the living and the dead who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. John specifically identified these as constituting the first resurrection.

So then, although there is no specific mention of the second resurrection, it is certainly implied by identifying the above first resurrection. This is not the only place in the NT where two distinct and separate resurrections are described. As you are aware one of those other places is John 5:2 4-29, There the verses 24-25 describe the spiritual resurrection which we know as regeneration, however you think that comes about. Then the verses 28-29 describe the physical resurrection at the end of the age when Christ returns.

Now that is not the only other place where two "resurrections" are identified. Romans 8:10-11 also describes a spiritual resurrection from spiritual death to spiritual life and the physical resurrection of the dead body to life.

Both of these other places are perfectly in line with Revelation 20 describing the first (the spiritual) resurrection which we refer to as regeneration and the implied second (the physical) resurrection at the end of the thousand years, the millennium, which is the church age that we are currently living now.

 

[praise_yeshua]

425 ce--Only Catholicism existed by then of a religion claiming to be christian-- So yes Catholicism translated it.

No they didn't. It was left in its original Greek form. We still have it available. It is in England. Catholics didn't translate any of it.

 

[Studyman]

The Journey Begins before repentance for the Journey always and for everyone Begins with the FATHER.

Yes, it is true that "Many" are called by the Father, but they are called to repentance. Abraham was called to leave the religions of the world he was placed in, and follow God. Here are the Word's of the Jesus "of the Bible, that were given Him by His Father, at the "Beginning" of HIS Prophesied "ministry".

Matt. 4: 17 "From that time" Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Paul, inspired by the Spirit of this Same Christ, taught both Jew and Gentile;

Acts. 26: 19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, "I was not disobedient" unto the heavenly vision:

20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

When a man couples these Truths, with the examples of the Exodus that the Christ "of the Bible" had written for our examples and admonition, the Life (blood) of the Passover Lamb being placed in the mind and the works, (Lintel, two door posts) is the "beginning of their Salvation". Jesus confirms this in the Scripture you posted.

Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves.
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore "everyone" "who has heard" and learned from the Father "comes to Me"

It is no wonder therefore, that Jesus tells us the Law and Prophets, that Paul says the "Righteousness of God and the Wrath of God is revealed" is still in effect. How can a man know what to repent from, unless the Father teaches him?

And without true repentance, the Father doesn't give anyone to Jesus for cleansing. As HE Himself also teaches.

Luke 13: 3 I tell you, Nay: but, "except ye repent", ye shall all likewise perish.

Therefore, Repentance is the beginning of God's Salvation. And it is God's Salvation that I am speaking to.

TRUE repentance is the manifestation of that which the Holy Spirit is moving upon a man's heart = conviction of sin
This occurs during & after the FATHER calls those via His Holy Spirit.

Peter, also inspired by the Spirit of the Christ "of the Bible", says God's Spirit is given to men who "Yield themselves servants to obey Him". Obedience to God "ARE" works worthy of repentance. Again, I understand there are "many" promoters of this world's religious system, who "Call Jesus Lord, Lord, who don't really Believe "Every Word" that the Spirit of Christ had written for "our sakes no doubt". My interest here is concerning what is actually written, not popular religious philosophies of this world's religious system.

Acts. 5: 29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, "whom God hath given" to them that obey him.

Paul believed and taught the same thing.

Rom. 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that "ye present your bodies" a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, "that ye may prove" what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

God's Perfection is CHRIST

Yes, Jesus was the end result of a mortal human who "Submitted Himself to the Righteousness of God, over the establishment of the Righteousness of man. He is the perfect example of a man of God "Thoroughly furnished unto all good works". He is the perfect example of a man who "Offered His Body a Living Sacrifice unto God, Holy, and acceptable unto God, which was His Reasonable service. He is the perfect example of a mortal human who "Yielded Himself unto God, and His Body as instruments of Righteousness unto God.

This was the Prize of the High calling of God, which as anyone interested can see, Was "In Christ Jesus". This is the Perfection the Christ commanded of both Abraham and me. This is the perfection Paul and every faithful example given by the Christ in the Holy scriptures, pressed towards during their life on earth. This is the only goal of the of Man, as the Christ "of the Bible" had written for our admonition.

Ecc. 12: 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

So yes, the perfection Jesus command that Paul and I strive for, was in Christ Jesus.

God does not require us to be "perfect" to receive Salvation = HE requires FAITH in His WORD which is the LORD Jesus Christ

Jesus said those who only hear His Word, are not the Faithful. Rather, men who "Hear His Word" and then "DO Them", are the Faithful. I pointed this out to you in the Christ's Prophesy concerning His Return when HE speaks face to face with "Many" who call Him Lord, Lord, who preach in His Name, cast out devils in His Name, and do many other wonderful works in His Name. You didn't even acknowledge them.

You would do good to "hear" all of His Teaching, not just the philosophies of this world's religions.

JESUS Says: "Be ye perfect as your heavenly FATHER is perfect"

Be
Ἔσεσθε (Esesthe)
Verb - Future Indicative Middle - 2nd Person Plural
Strong's Greek 1510: I am, exist. The first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist.

perfect,
τέλειοι (teleioi)
Adjective - Nominative Masculine Plural
Strong's Greek 5046: From telos; complete; neuter completeness.

Do you understand this???

I understand men are here to justify a religious sect who "Calls Jesus Lord, Lord", but who doesn't believe HE expects a man to "Yield themselves" servants to become "Doers" of His Sayings.

The implication of popular religious philosophy, is that God had the Law and Prophets written, and put Jesus through such great suffering so that men don't have to "Offer their body a living sacrifice to God", so that men don't have to "Yield themselves to God and their body as instruments of righteousness unto God", that they don't have to "Submit to God's Righteousness, but can freely go about establishing their own Righteousness".

This is a seductive religious philosophy, and has been around since Eve was deceived by a vioce who "Professed to know God, and even quoted "Some" of God's Words.

Do you understand these things?