The Rogue Tomato
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That doesn't mean what you think it means. It doesn't mean we aren't elect until we are in Christ. But you have to pretend that's what it means in order to prop up the dead body that is free will choice in salvation.
The Text refutes what Calvinism teaches
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That doesn't mean what you think it means. It doesn't mean we aren't elect until we are in Christ. But you have to pretend that's what it means in order to prop up the dead body that is free will choice in salvation.
civic
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Yep
so Calvinism has a deficient ChristologyYep
sorry but you offer only denial
election is in Christ soteriologically speaking
(GDBY_NT) as he elected us in himself before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless in his presence.
(KJ3) even as He elected us in Him before the foundation of the world, for us to be holy and without blemish before Him in love,
(LONT) according as he has elected us in him, before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy, and unblameable in his sight; in love,
(Thomas Haweis NT 1795) he hath elected us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him in love:
civic
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Yes Eph 1 disproves Calvinism and what it means to be in Christ
Now if only Calvinists will believe scripture.
No we're translation shopping? Even so, nothing about we choosing to become elect ot God choosing us because we chose Him.
Just the opposite
Still nothing about choosing to be in Christ or God choosing us because we chose Him. Repeating yourself like a child does not change that fact.
You presuppose which means we have another Provisionist presupposition.
Lol, don't beat around the bush
Did you fail to read
to choose is to elect
My Bible Word Study
Lemma
ἐκλέγομαι eklegomai choose; select; choose (for oneself); pick out; elect
They mean the same
Ephesians 1:4 (ESV) — 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love
(GDBY_NT) as he elected us in himself before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless in his presence.
(KJ3) even as He elected us in Him before the foundation of the world, for us to be holy and without blemish before Him in love,
(LONT) according as he has elected us in him, before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy, and unblameable in his sight; in love,
(Thomas Haweis NT 1795) he hath elected us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him in love:
chose us in him -that is election
As even this Calvinist notes
Even as he chose us in him (καθως ἐξελεξατο ἡμας ἐν αὐτῳ [kathōs exelexato hēmās en autōi]). First aorist middle indicative of ἐκλεγω [eklegō], to pick out, to choose. Definitive statement of God’s elective grace concerning believers in Christ
A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament (Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1933), Eph 1:4.
Why do you think Calvinist use
Ephesians 1:4 (KJV 1900) — 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
such a verse for a proof text for election
Seriously, could you not come up with any better than translation shopping?
Give it up
How does one get to be in Christ?
Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Get it right
Nowhere do it say or even hint that we become elect or does it say God chose us because we chose Him.
Another Provisionist presupposition
You just ignored the verse
Men are sealed in Christ when they trust in him
Read the text not your theology
The fail is clearly you cannot prove your premise
NOWHERE does the Bible say we choose to become elect. God does the choosing. God does not choose us because we chose Him.
So. That does not mean they chose to be elect. God does the choosing.
Abdominal you have yet to deal with the fact that this choosing happens from the foundation of the world.
Who is trusting?
God chose men in Christ - those who trusted in Christ
The trusting precedes the choosing
again read the scripture not your theology
So your saying God chose those who chose Him. NOWHERE on the pages of scripture.
No we're off to God chose because of trust. NOWHERE on the pages of scripture. Add that to the list of presupposions
Can you trust in someone without choosing to trust
God chooses men in Christ
to be in Christ you must trust in him
Trusting is a choice
Forget your theology and believe scripture
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