You could also look at it like this. That Christ died to take away the penalty for our sin. Which is death. But as long as we are in these fleshly bodies we are going to sin and will never be sinless till we get to heaven. Our hope here is that we will Sin Less. Sanctification is what I'm talking about.
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23 Paul's talking to Believers here because Obviously if you're not saved sin will be your lifestyle and the glory of God will be the last thing on your mind.
John also makes it clear that we still sin.
Walking in the Light
…9.If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10.If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us. 1 John 1:10
Once again obviously this is a word to believers.
Also Jesus demonstrated by washing the disciples feet that we would become contaminated by walking around in the world. Jesus told them that they didn't need to be washed all over because he had already cleansed them all they needed was their feet washed from the day to day grime we pick up in this world.
I don’t care whether you call it the old nature, the flesh, or indwelling sin. But there resides in every believer a strong propensity toward sin that wars against the new nature that we received through the new birth...
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Lesson 40: The Merry-Go-Round of Sin (Romans 7:14-20) | Bible.org
Expository study of Romans: After the new birth, immature believers often experience a frustrating cycle of being defeated by sin because they yield to the old nature.bible.org
You could also look at it like this. That Christ died to take away the penalty for our sin. Which is death. But as long as we are in these fleshly bodies we are going to sin and will never be sinless till we get to heaven. Our hope here is that we will Sin Less. Sanctification is what I'm talking about.I don’t care whether you call it the old nature, the flesh, or indwelling sin. But there resides in every believer a strong propensity toward sin that wars against the new nature that we received through the new birth...
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Lesson 40: The Merry-Go-Round of Sin (Romans 7:14-20) | Bible.org
Expository study of Romans: After the new birth, immature believers often experience a frustrating cycle of being defeated by sin because they yield to the old nature.bible.org
Hi Rowan,@charismaticlady
What did The apostle Paul say? “But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.” Romans 7:20
He's talking about himself and he was definitely saved at the time.
If a saved person won't admit to occasionally sinning I would imagine they're into sinless perfection. That's extremely dangerous.
Jesus tells us how to pray and to ask for forgiveness because he knew that we would occasionally sin.
Matthew 6:9-12 “Pray, then, in this way: ‘Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. ‘Your kingdom come. Your will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. ‘Give us this day our daily bread. ‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.”
1 John Chapter one is a chapter written clearly for believers. When we read 1 John in context, we see that one of the aspects of walking in the light is confessing our sin. I seriously don't understand how people could believe they are currently living perfectly, without sin We deceive ourselves when we make such claims. Confessing our sins is one of the evidences that we are saved. You can never hide sin in His light.
A person with a genuine relationship with their father is going to confess their faults. The Holy Spirit is going to convict us of sin and if He’s not, that is evidence of false conversion. Having unconfessed sin blocks God from listening to us. It’s dangerous to claim to be without sin. The Bible says we're calling God a liar.
A very good site, might I add.I don’t care whether you call it the old nature, the flesh, or indwelling sin. But there resides in every believer a strong propensity toward sin that wars against the new nature that we received through the new birth...
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Lesson 40: The Merry-Go-Round of Sin (Romans 7:14-20) | Bible.org
Expository study of Romans: After the new birth, immature believers often experience a frustrating cycle of being defeated by sin because they yield to the old nature.bible.org
Error!Its amazing that the idea of "sin, confess, repeat" is become the broken standard regarding how most Christians are taught to believe that this behavior is real Christianity.
Its not.
Confession of sin or repentance is what we do to have Jesus take away our sin, and there is no sin in Him. You say after that confession of sin is necessary. Why, if you don't sin any longer because of the power of the Holy Spirit inside you?Error!
1. In order to grow we need to eat—The Bible
2. In order to grow we need to breathe—Prayer
3. In order to grow we need good spiritual hygiene—Confession of sin
4. In order to grow we need a caring family—Fellowship
5. In order to grow we need regular exercise—Service
6. In order to grow we need protection—Temptation
7. In order to grow we need to give—Stewardship
B. THEME VERSE: MEMORIZE IT!
2 Pet 3:18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.
C. WHY DON’T WE MATURE?
I hope that you looked over the list of suggestions (from last week) to ratchet up your commitment in the area of prayer. If you’re like me, you may well have all sorts of good intentions, “I’m going to pray more this year, I’m going to spend time with God.” But your follow-through is probably lousy. Know what? You’re not alone!
George Barna, in his recent book, “Growing True Disciples, said this, “most believers say that their faith matters, but few are investing much energy in the pursuit of spiritual growth. We seem to possess an abundance of desire, but a dearth of commitment.”
His survey found that
18% of all believers surveyed said that their effort to grow spiritually is the single, most intense commitment in their life.
52% said that they work consistently to grow spiritually but with limited success.
Another 20% said that they work occasionally to grow spiritually but are not consistent.
The remaining 10% admitted that they are neither involved nor interested in growing spiritually.
What were their reasons Christians gave for not pursuing spiritual growth more passionately?
66% said they are just too busy to give the process the time it requires.
25% cited a general lack of interest or motivation to grow.
Here’s what Barna concluded. Christianity in America suffers from “a lack of passion to be godly.” “We’re all busy, and Jesus comes along and asks us to get serious about spiritual growth. What’s our response? We give intellectual assent to the idea, but when push comes to shove, our schedules are already bloated with other, more important tasks, opportunities and responsibilities. We have passion, but it is not a passion for the matters of God.”
D. THE GOAL: THAT YOU WILL COMMIT TO THE HABITS NECESSARY FOR SPIRITUAL MATURITY.
If you’re here this morning and agreeing with Barna’s survey, I have one suggestion for you—get involved with a small group. Join a group of men, women, a Small Group and tell them where you need to work. Write out on a 3x5 card where your spiritual life needs an overhaul. Ask them to pray for you, walk with you, lovingly hold you accountable for growth and progress.
WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GROW? CONFESSION!
II. INTRODUCTION
I used to backpack regularly in the Salmo Wilderness area of Northern Washington. After hiking hard for 2 hours, there was nothing better than slipping out of your heavy pack next to a clear mountain stream and getting a drink of water. Once, while we were enjoying the delicious refreshment of the mountain stream, a friend was placing large boulders in the bottoms of our packs. 15 to 20 extra pounds! We came back after 10 minutes, slipped our packs back on, and commented on how heavy they always felt after a break. Our friend agreed! We hiked another 2 to 3 hours to our destination, and only after setting up camp did we realize that we’d been carrying unnecessary weight!
My fear is that many of you here this morning are also carrying unnecessary weight! Burdens on the inside that are slowing you down, weighing you down, bringing you down! Turn to page 670 in your pew Bible, Psalm 32. God has some answers for us…
III. GOD WANTS YOU TO EXPERIENCE THE INCREDIBLE JOY OF BEING COMPLETELY FORGIVEN OF EVERY SIN (1-2)
A. GOD’S FORGIVENESS INCLUDES EVERY KIND OF SIN IMAGINABLE
As I read verses 1 and 2, I want you to circle three words…
1 Oh, what joy for those whose rebellion is forgiven,
whose sin is put out of sight!
2 Yes, what joy for those
whose record the Lord has cleared of sin,
whose lives are lived in complete honesty!
David uses three distinct words for sin in verses 1-2:
“rebellion” or breaking away from God,
“transgressions” or missing the mark, and
“iniquity,” that which is crooked, morally distorted.
He isn’t saying that God forgives these three distinct kinds of sins as much as He is saying God forgives all kinds of sins…
1. Sins against God or against people
2. Large sins or small sins
3. Intentional sins or unintentional
4. Sins of commission (doing what you shouldn’t) or omission (not doing what you should have)
B. GOD’S FORGIVENESS CLEARS THE GUILTY COMPLETELY
David uses three distinct terms to describe God’s forgiveness in verses 1-2. I want you to put a box around the words for forgiveness:
1 Oh, what joy for those
whose rebellion is forgiven,
whose sin is put out of sight!
2 Yes, what joy for those
whose record the Lord has cleared of sin,
whose lives are lived in complete honesty!
1. God carries away your burden of guilt—removes it, forgets it
2. God covers your shame—its defilement is no longer reason for shame, implies that He will never bring it up again
3. God cancels your debt—nothing left for you to pay
C. God’s forgiveness results in boundless joy!
1 Oh, what joy…
Do you want that? Maybe you’re here this morning with no joy. Weighed down with the guilt of your sins. Guilty, ashamed, a prisoner of your troubled conscience. Doesn’t have to go on that way! You can go free! You can know joy again!
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Spiritual Growth Study Guide: Confession | Bible.org
Confession Sermon This is part of a complete study guide, including outlines (blank and filled) and a leaders guide. I. Review This spring we’re asking the question “What Does It Take To Grow?” There are seven non-negotiable, essential habits you must develop if you want to grow to maturity as a...bible.org
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You believe in sinless perfection-right?Confession of sin or repentance is what we do to have Jesus take away our sin, and there is no sin in Him. You say after that confession of sin is necessary. Why, if you don't sin any longer because of the power of the Holy Spirit inside you?
1 John 1:9 and Acts 2:38 are the same. How many times must you BECOME a Christian?
3. In order to grow we need good spiritual hygiene—Confession of sin
1:9 "confess"You believe in sinless perfection-right?
1Jn 1:9 IfG1437 Conj ean ἐὰν we should confessG3670 G5725 V-PSA-1P homologōmen ὁμολογῶμεν theG3588 Art-AFP tas τὰς sinsG266 N-AFP hamartias ἁμαρτίας of us,G1473 PPro-G1P hēmōn, ἡμῶν, faithfulG4103 Adj-NMS pistos πιστός He isG1510 V-PIA-3S estin ἐστιν andG2532 Conj kai καὶ just,G1342 Adj-NMS dikaios, δίκαιος, thatG2443 Conj hina ἵνα He may forgiveG863 G5632 V-ASA-3S aphē ἀφῇ usG1473 PPro-D1P hēmin ἡμῖν [our]G3588 Art-AFP tas τὰς sins,G266 N-AFP hamartias, ἁμαρτίας, andG2532 Conj kai καὶ might cleanseG2511 G5661 V-ASA-3S katharisē καθαρίσῃ usG1473 PPro-A1P hēmas ἡμᾶς fromG575 Prep apo ἀπὸ allG3956 Adj-GFS pasēs πάσης unrighteousness.G93 N-GFS adikias. ἀδικίας.
ὁμολογῶμεν
Transliteration: homologōmen
Morphology: V-PSA-1P
Verb - Present Subjunctive Active - 1st Person Plural
Strong's no.: G3670 (ὁμολογέω)
Meaning: (a) to promise, agree, (b) to confess, (c) to publicly declare, (d) a Hebraism, to praise, celebrate.
If we confess (ean homologōmen). Third-class condition again with ean and present active subjunctive of homologeō, “if we keep on confessing.” Confession of sin to God and to one another (Jas_5:16) is urged throughout the N.T. from John the Baptist (Mar_1:5) on.
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The gospel is based on the sinfulness of all mankind
See here @Behold-your biting tongue you must keep in check-this Forum is not like "the other Forum" and I was invited, personally, by @civic to THIS Forum.Im not surprised that you dont know this, as you were a Calvinist, a little while back, and what are you now?
So, what you should do, is stop cutting and pasting so much, and get a bible, and read this... a lot.
Quote my whole post, and not excerpts here and there-what is the Present Tense?The Gospel is based on the Sacrifice of Christ on the Cross being offered for the sin of the World.
John 3:16-17
What you can't seem to understand, according to what you post, is... that this SALVATION has produced a "new Creation", and that is not a "sinning, confessing, and repeat" situation.
What you should do, is substitute 1 John 3:9 in place of everything you are posting and believe.
But you have to read that verse, and understand it.
Try it.