The New birth comes after hearing/believing the gospel

Being "drawn to God by the gospel message"refers to the process of coming to believe in and have faith in Jesus Christ's life, death, and resurrection, which is considered the core of the Christian message. This draw is a response to the power of the gospel, where individuals, by God's grace, believe the message that Christ is the Son of God who died for their sins and rose again. This leads to a desire to draw near to God through faith, repentance, and commitment to following Jesus.
 
The new birth is caused by the resurrection of Christ to the elect of God 1 Peter 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, ESV so it is before faith and causes faith
 
brightfame52 said:
God the Father draws men to Christ Jn 6 44, so the hearing and learning are caused by Him 6:45
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Right and that is caused by the gospel message.

The gospel message is the "good news" that salvation from sin and eternal life are available to humanity through the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is the Christian belief that all people have sinned, but God, in his love, provided Jesus as a substitute to pay the penalty for those sins. The response required from humanity is to repent and place faith in Jesus' finished work for salvation, rather than relying on one's own good deeds.
  • God's love and sin: The message begins with God as the holy creator who loves humanity, but also with the truth that all people have sinned and fallen short of God's glory, which separates them from Him.
  • Jesus's sacrifice: Because of sin, a penalty must be paid. God sent Jesus to die on the cross to pay this penalty for everyone, making him the substitute for humanity's sins.
  • Resurrection and victory: According to the message, Jesus was then buried and rose again on the third day, conquering sin, death, and Satan.
  • The required response: The "good news" is received by repenting of sin and believing in Jesus Christ and his work on the cross. This faith is not in one's own works, but in God's solution for salvation.
  • The result: Through this faith, believers receive the forgiveness of sins, a new righteous standing before God, and the gift of eternal life.
 
brightfame52 said:
No it's not, it's caused by God, God causes the Gospel to be heard, understood and believed
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Now your catching on. God is the good news. With out Him there is no good news.

The gospel message is the "good news" that salvation from sin and eternal life are available to humanity through the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is the Christian belief that all people have sinned, but God, in his love, provided Jesus as a substitute to pay the penalty for those sins. The response required from humanity is to repent and place faith in Jesus' finished work for salvation, rather than relying on one's own good deeds.

  • God's love and sin: The message begins with God as the holy creator who loves humanity, but also with the truth that all people have sinned and fallen short of God's glory, which separates them from Him.
  • Jesus's sacrifice: Because of sin, a penalty must be paid. God sent Jesus to die on the cross to pay this penalty for everyone, making him the substitute for humanity's sins.
  • Resurrection and victory: According to the message, Jesus was then buried and rose again on the third day, conquering sin, death, and Satan.
  • The required response: The "good news" is received by repenting of sin and believing in Jesus Christ and his work on the cross. This faith is not in one's own works, but in God's solution for salvation.
  • The result: Through this faith, believers receive the forgiveness of sins, a new righteous standing before God, and the gift of eternal life.
 
Within the broader theme of John 8, which addresses spiritual blindness and the authentic children of God, Jesus utters a pivotal statement: “Whoever belongs to God hears what God says.” It's whoever being attuned to God’s voice and teachings, highlighting the intimate relationship in our salvation. Conversely, Jesus follows with a sobering truth: “The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God,” emphasizing the consequences of spiritual deafness and the resultant estrangement from God due to rejecting His gospel invitation.
 
Rowan said:
Within the broader theme of John 8, which addresses spiritual blindness and the authentic children of God, Jesus utters a pivotal statement: “Whoever belongs to God hears what God says.” It's whoever being attuned to God’s voice and teachings, highlighting the intimate relationship in our salvation. Conversely, Jesus follows with a sobering truth: “The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God,” emphasizing the consequences of spiritual deafness and the resultant estrangement from God due to rejecting His gospel invitation.
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In Jn 8:47 Jesus tells us who it is that hears the words of God. He that is of God, meaning saved.
 
Rowan said:
“The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God,” emphasizing the consequences of spiritual deafness and the resultant estrangement from God due to rejecting His gospel invitation.
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Man by nature in Adam is spiritually dead and deaf, that is the result of the fall of man in Adam
 

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