brightfame52
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The elect are all the Father gave to the Son Jn 6 37
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
The New birth comes after hearing/believing the gospel
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37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
brightfame52
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No it's not.We talking about God here, The Almighty!
Cyrus
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The one who's word get's miss quoted by Calvinists?
Wrong time.
According to scripture concerning now
John 12:32 (NASB95) — 32 “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”
Yes
There is no word "elect" in the passage, and "elect" does not mean all men.
John 12:32 (NASB95) — 32 “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”
It is all men, not some men
All drawn
False
You hold that men are saved, and then they believe.
Thus you deny any saving power in the gospel.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
1 Cor 1:18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Whosoever
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I think there maybe a little more to it than that.
According to the Bible, we are saved through grace by faith in Jesus Christ. Key points include:
Grace and Faith: Salvation is a gift from God, not based on our works (Ephesians 2:8-9).
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Recognizing Need for Forgiveness: Acknowledging our sins and believing in Jesus as our Savior is essential (Romans 10:9).
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Steps to Salvation: The process includes hearing the Gospel, believing in Jesus, repenting of sins, confessing faith, being baptized, and remaining faithful (Acts 2:38; Matthew 28:19).
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Belief in Jesus: The Bible emphasizes that belief in the Lord Jesus is crucial for salvation (Acts 16:31).
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brightfame52
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That's just an excuse
brightfame52
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No it's not
brightfame52
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The word elect does not have to be there it's understood
brightfame52
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No it's right
brightfame52
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More than salvation being applied?
brightfame52
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Yes because the gospel is hidden to them that are lost 2 Corinthians 4:3 and 4
Thus you do argue there is no power in the gospel contrary to
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
1 Cor 1:18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
False
You hold that men are saved, and then they believe the gospel.
Thus you deny any saving power in the gospel.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
1 Cor 1:18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Sorry, you are simply altering scripture.
There is no word “elect” in the passage, and “elect” does not mean all men.
John 12:32 (NASB95) — 32 “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”
It is all men, not some men.
All drawn.
brightfame52
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The gospel is hidden to them that are lost
brightfame52
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No it's right
brightfame52
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No I'm not
