The misuse and abuse of John 17:3 by Unitarians to promote Unitarianism.

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Unitarians often abuse John 17:3 to support their view of God as a single, indivisible person—specifically identifying God as the Father alone, and denying the full divinity of Jesus Christ. They mistakenly argue that because Jesus refers to the Father as "the only true God" in this verse, it supports the idea that Jesus is not God in the same sense as the Father. This interpretation, however, often leads to misunderstandings, particularly in the broader theological context, including in relation to polytheistic paganism.

The Polytheistic Context of John 17:3

In the polytheistic world of the first century, particularly in the Roman Empire, there were many gods, each with their own distinct roles, powers, and spheres of influence. The belief in multiple gods was a central feature of the religions of the time, such as the Roman and Greek pantheons, which deified emperors and had gods for almost every aspect of life. These gods were often seen as separate entities with distinct personalities, not unified in essence or purpose.

Monotheism vs. Polytheism: John 17:3, in the context of Jesus' prayer, is a strong assertion of monotheism. The reference to "the only true God" would have been a direct challenge to the surrounding polytheism, which included worship of multiple deities. Jesus is making a theological statement about the Father's unique position as the one true God, affirming that there is no other God but the Father.

This statement, however, does not negate the full divinity of Jesus. Rather, it affirms the role of the Father as the source of all authority and divine revelation. The Father, in Trinitarian belief, is indeed the "only true God" in the sense that God is one essence (not multiple gods), but the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct persons within that one divine essence.

Unitarian Misinterpretation of John 17:3

Unitarians generally believe in the oneness of God, but they often interpret John 17:3 to mean that Jesus is not divine in the same sense as the Father. They argue that since Jesus calls the Father "the only true God," it must mean that the Father alone is God, and Jesus is not truly God. This line of reasoning typically goes as follows:

1. The Father as "the only true God": Jesus is referring to the Father as the "only true God," implying that the Father alone is God, and Jesus is distinct from that identity.

2. Jesus as subordinate: Because Jesus calls the Father "the only true God," it suggests that Jesus is a created being, subordinate to the Father and not co-equal or co-eternal with the Father.

This reasoning leads to Unitarianism, the belief that God is one person (the Father), and that Jesus, while a divinely appointed messenger or figure, is not divine in the same way as God.

The Misuse of John 17:3 to Promote Unitarianism

While John 17:3 might seem to suggest a distinction between the Father and the Son, interpreting it in isolation and without considering the larger biblical context can lead to a misapplication of the passage. There are several points to consider in responding to the Unitarian interpretation:

1. Contextualizing the Role of Jesus:

In the context of John 17, Jesus is praying to the Father about his mission of revealing the Father to the world. When he says, "this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent," he is not denying his own divinity, but emphasizing the unique role of the Father in the plan of salvation. Jesus is presenting the Father as the ultimate source of divine revelation and authority.

This statement is part of a broader theological framework where Jesus is asserting that he, as the Son, has been sent by the Father to reveal the Father to humanity. The fact that Jesus speaks of himself as the one sent by the Father does not diminish his divinity, but highlights the distinct roles each person of the Trinity plays in God's redemptive work.

2. The Unity of the Father and the Son:

Trinitarian theology holds that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct persons but share the same divine essence. In John 10:30, Jesus states, "I and the Father are one," which speaks to their unity in nature. The context of the New Testament as a whole affirms that the Son is fully divine (e.g., John 1:1, Colossians 2:9, Hebrews 1:3). To understand John 17:3 correctly, it must be seen in light of these passages, which assert that Jesus shares the same divine nature as the Father.

3. Jesus' Subordination within the Economic Trinity:

The doctrine of the economic Trinity explains the distinct roles the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit take in the work of salvation. While the Father is the source, the Son is the one sent to accomplish redemption, and the Holy Spirit is the one who applies that work to believers. This does not mean the Son is lesser in nature or essence, but that he has a distinct role in the plan of salvation.

In John 17:3, Jesus refers to the Father as "the only true God" to underscore the Father’s unique role in salvation and Jesus' mission as the one sent by the Father. The subordination of the Son in this passage refers to his mission (being sent) and role, not to his nature or divinity.

4. Misuse of Polytheism as a Comparison:

The Unitarian argument that John 17:3 supports a "one God" view that excludes Jesus' divinity often misses the point of the Christian rejection of polytheism. The distinction Jesus makes between the Father and the Son is not a denial of Jesus' divinity, but a statement about their roles within the unified divine essence. The ancient polytheistic religions worshipped many gods with different powers, but Christianity's monotheism asserts that there is only one true God in essence, and that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one in that essence.

By contrast, the Unitarian interpretation that uses this verse to promote a non-divine Jesus effectively reintroduces a form of subordinationism that, in a sense, divides the Godhead into two distinct deities. This undermines the foundational Christian belief that God is one in essence, revealed in three persons.

Conclusion: Trinitarian Response

While John 17:3 might appear, at first glance, to support Unitarianism by distinguishing the Father as the "only true God," it must be understood in its full biblical and theological context. The surrounding context of John 17 and the broader witness of Scripture affirm that:

Jesus’ distinction between the Father and himself highlights their distinct roles in the plan of salvation, not a difference in divinity.

The Christian doctrine of the Trinity teaches that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct persons but share the same divine essence, meaning that the Son is fully God, co-equal and co-eternal with the Father.

The rejection of polytheism in the first-century context is not in conflict with the belief in the Trinitarian nature of God but underscores that God is one in essence, revealed in three persons.

The misuse of John 17:3 to promote Unitarianism relies on an isolated reading of the verse, ignoring the full biblical revelation of who Jesus is and the nature of God as revealed in Scripture.
 
Unitarians often abuse John 17:3 to support their view of God as a single, indivisible person—specifically identifying God as the Father alone, and denying the full divinity of Jesus Christ. They mistakenly argue that because Jesus refers to the Father as "the only true God" in this verse, it supports the idea that Jesus is not God in the same sense as the Father. This interpretation, however, often leads to misunderstandings, particularly in the broader theological context, including in relation to polytheistic paganism.

The Polytheistic Context of John 17:3

In the polytheistic world of the first century, particularly in the Roman Empire, there were many gods, each with their own distinct roles, powers, and spheres of influence. The belief in multiple gods was a central feature of the religions of the time, such as the Roman and Greek pantheons, which deified emperors and had gods for almost every aspect of life. These gods were often seen as separate entities with distinct personalities, not unified in essence or purpose.

Monotheism vs. Polytheism: John 17:3, in the context of Jesus' prayer, is a strong assertion of monotheism. The reference to "the only true God" would have been a direct challenge to the surrounding polytheism, which included worship of multiple deities. Jesus is making a theological statement about the Father's unique position as the one true God, affirming that there is no other God but the Father.

This statement, however, does not negate the full divinity of Jesus. Rather, it affirms the role of the Father as the source of all authority and divine revelation. The Father, in Trinitarian belief, is indeed the "only true God" in the sense that God is one essence (not multiple gods), but the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct persons within that one divine essence.

Unitarian Misinterpretation of John 17:3

Unitarians generally believe in the oneness of God, but they often interpret John 17:3 to mean that Jesus is not divine in the same sense as the Father. They argue that since Jesus calls the Father "the only true God," it must mean that the Father alone is God, and Jesus is not truly God. This line of reasoning typically goes as follows:

1. The Father as "the only true God": Jesus is referring to the Father as the "only true God," implying that the Father alone is God, and Jesus is distinct from that identity.

2. Jesus as subordinate: Because Jesus calls the Father "the only true God," it suggests that Jesus is a created being, subordinate to the Father and not co-equal or co-eternal with the Father.

This reasoning leads to Unitarianism, the belief that God is one person (the Father), and that Jesus, while a divinely appointed messenger or figure, is not divine in the same way as God.

The Misuse of John 17:3 to Promote Unitarianism

While John 17:3 might seem to suggest a distinction between the Father and the Son, interpreting it in isolation and without considering the larger biblical context can lead to a misapplication of the passage. There are several points to consider in responding to the Unitarian interpretation:

1. Contextualizing the Role of Jesus:

In the context of John 17, Jesus is praying to the Father about his mission of revealing the Father to the world. When he says, "this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent," he is not denying his own divinity, but emphasizing the unique role of the Father in the plan of salvation. Jesus is presenting the Father as the ultimate source of divine revelation and authority.

This statement is part of a broader theological framework where Jesus is asserting that he, as the Son, has been sent by the Father to reveal the Father to humanity. The fact that Jesus speaks of himself as the one sent by the Father does not diminish his divinity, but highlights the distinct roles each person of the Trinity plays in God's redemptive work.

2. The Unity of the Father and the Son:

Trinitarian theology holds that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct persons but share the same divine essence. In John 10:30, Jesus states, "I and the Father are one," which speaks to their unity in nature. The context of the New Testament as a whole affirms that the Son is fully divine (e.g., John 1:1, Colossians 2:9, Hebrews 1:3). To understand John 17:3 correctly, it must be seen in light of these passages, which assert that Jesus shares the same divine nature as the Father.

3. Jesus' Subordination within the Economic Trinity:

The doctrine of the economic Trinity explains the distinct roles the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit take in the work of salvation. While the Father is the source, the Son is the one sent to accomplish redemption, and the Holy Spirit is the one who applies that work to believers. This does not mean the Son is lesser in nature or essence, but that he has a distinct role in the plan of salvation.

In John 17:3, Jesus refers to the Father as "the only true God" to underscore the Father’s unique role in salvation and Jesus' mission as the one sent by the Father. The subordination of the Son in this passage refers to his mission (being sent) and role, not to his nature or divinity.

4. Misuse of Polytheism as a Comparison:

The Unitarian argument that John 17:3 supports a "one God" view that excludes Jesus' divinity often misses the point of the Christian rejection of polytheism. The distinction Jesus makes between the Father and the Son is not a denial of Jesus' divinity, but a statement about their roles within the unified divine essence. The ancient polytheistic religions worshipped many gods with different powers, but Christianity's monotheism asserts that there is only one true God in essence, and that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one in that essence.

By contrast, the Unitarian interpretation that uses this verse to promote a non-divine Jesus effectively reintroduces a form of subordinationism that, in a sense, divides the Godhead into two distinct deities. This undermines the foundational Christian belief that God is one in essence, revealed in three persons.

Conclusion: Trinitarian Response

While John 17:3 might appear, at first glance, to support Unitarianism by distinguishing the Father as the "only true God," it must be understood in its full biblical and theological context. The surrounding context of John 17 and the broader witness of Scripture affirm that:

Jesus’ distinction between the Father and himself highlights their distinct roles in the plan of salvation, not a difference in divinity.

The Christian doctrine of the Trinity teaches that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct persons but share the same divine essence, meaning that the Son is fully God, co-equal and co-eternal with the Father.

The rejection of polytheism in the first-century context is not in conflict with the belief in the Trinitarian nature of God but underscores that God is one in essence, revealed in three persons.

The misuse of John 17:3 to promote Unitarianism relies on an isolated reading of the verse, ignoring the full biblical revelation of who Jesus is and the nature of God as revealed in Scripture.
To: @Runningman:

I am particularly interested to see how you can continue to misuse and abuse John 17:3 for your nefarious unitarian schemes and plots.
 
To: @Runningman:

I am particularly interested to see how you can continue to misuse and abuse John 17:3 for your nefarious unitarian schemes and plots.
John 17:3 says the Father, one you define as a person, as the only true God. How do you reconcile the fact that a single person is defined as a single person who is alone the only true God with trinitarianism? You have an unscriptural god.
 
John 17:3 says the Father, one you define as a person, as the only true God. How do you reconcile the fact that a single person is defined as a single person who is alone the only true God with trinitarianism? You have an unscriptural god.
I see that you coveniently tossed out the polytheistic context and environment that the Greco Roman world found itself in at that time.

Nevertheless, let's see if a unitarian can take John 17:3 completely out of context, as you did, and make a case against the Trinity. That attempt would have to align with the rest of the Bible. Let's just bring in John 1:1, the Unitarian Heresy Slayer verse. John 1:1 proves that the Word is distinct from God and was God. Therefore, the Word is also the only/one true God - perfectly Trinitarian.

Let's see how you're now going to deny John 1:1.
 
I see that you coveniently tossed out the polytheistic context and environment that the Greco Roman world found itself in at that time.

Nevertheless, let's see if a unitarian can take that completely verse out of context, as you did, and make a case against the Trinity. That attempt would have to align with the rest of the Bible. Let's just bring in John 1:1, the Unitarian Heresy Slayer verse. John 1:1 proves that the Word is distinct from God and was God. Therefore, the Word is also the only/one true God - perfectly Trinitarian.

Let's see how you're now going to deny John 1:1.
Some issues. First of all, if God is a trinity then that isn't how Jesus defined God. Secondly, John 1:1 uses the past tense to refer to the Word as God and since that's the case then doing such infers that that the Word isn't God in the present. God as a past tense God isn't a Biblical concept. God is always God and if the Word is Jesus that "became flesh" denotes a change. Why do you suppose Jesus changed if Jesus never changes?

Hebrews 13 (KJV)
8Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
 
Some issues. First of all, if God is a trinity then that isn't how Jesus defined God. Secondly, John 1:1 uses the past tense to refer to the Word as God and since that's the case then doing such infers that that the Word isn't God in the present. God as a past tense God isn't a Biblical concept. God is always God and if the Word is Jesus that "became flesh" denotes a change. Why do you suppose Jesus changed if Jesus never changes?
Human nature is an add-on to the Word, not a change to his God nature. For example, if I add an apple to my collection of tomatoes, does that change in any way my collection of tomatoes? No. Same way with the Word's God Nature. There's no change to it.
Hebrews 13 (KJV)
8Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
This has been all thrashed out historically. If you're interested, 0% chance at that, I can guide you to that Hypostatic Union Report.

Keep those Trinitarian verses coming!
 
Human nature is an add-on to the Word, not a change to his God nature. For example, if I add an apple to my collection of tomatoes, does that change in any way my collection of tomatoes? No. Same way with the Word's God Nature. There's no change to it.

This has been all thrashed out historically. If you're interested, 0% chance at that, I can guide you to that Hypostatic Union Report.

Keep those Trinitarian verses coming!
If Jesus never changes then he has always been a human and not God. Case closed.
 
If Jesus never changes then he has always been a human and not God. Case closed.
You got it reversed. Jesus has always been God (as the Word of God) and as such he never changed.

He took on human nature but that never changed his God nature as I proved earlier.

Conclusion: It's more like Unitarian Mind Closed.
 
You got it reversed. Jesus has always been God (as the Word of God) and as such he never changed.

He took on human nature but that never changed his God nature as I proved earlier.

Conclusion: It's more like Unitarian Mind Closed.
This thread has already been a disaster for you and it's only page one.
 
Your total inability to offer any counterargument clearly shows that unitarianism has crashed and burned before our very eyes. 🔥🔥🔥
I have already soundly refuted your OP. You have not offered anything else. If you have any other arguments then bring them forth or quit your noise making.
 
Your imagination does not count.

See Post 11. Your total inability to offer any counterargument in Post 11 clearly shows that unitarianism has crashed and burned before our very eyes. 🔥🔥🔥
John 17:3 says the Father, one you define as a person, as the only true God. How do you reconcile the fact that a single person is defined as a single person who is alone the only true God with trinitarianism? You have an unscriptural god.
 
John 17:3 says the Father, one you define as a person, as the only true God. How do you reconcile the fact that a single person is defined as a single person who is alone the only true God with trinitarianism? You have an unscriptural god.
I already addressed that in Post #4. You've now gone full circle in your arguments which proves that I've exposed all your unitarian beliefs as judaizing heresies. It's so game over for you man.
 
I already addressed that in Post #4. You've now gone full circle in your arguments which proves that I've exposed all your unitarian beliefs as judaizing heresies. It's so game over for you man.
Because you started attacking me with the way you're talking. I am trying to get this conversation back on track. I will not let you derail this thread with your drama.
 
Because you started attacking me with the way you're talking.
When the Bible speaks, the more the Unitarian heretics cling to their heretical beliefs the more discomfort they will feel.
The Bible cuts deep into where judaizers are infected with heresies in its attempt to root out the unitarian infection.
Unitarians need to let the Bible do its job of rooting out judaizing heretical infections.
I am trying to get this conversation back on track. I will not let you derail this thread with your drama.
You ended up full circle right back into the same unitarian burial-site (Post #4). ⚰️⚰️
It's so over for you man. This was a short thread.
 
I see that you coveniently tossed out the polytheistic context and environment that the Greco Roman world found itself in at that time.

Nevertheless, let's see if a unitarian can take John 17:3 completely out of context, as you did, and make a case against the Trinity. That attempt would have to align with the rest of the Bible. Let's just bring in John 1:1, the Unitarian Heresy Slayer verse. John 1:1 proves that the Word is distinct from God and was God. Therefore, the Word is also the only/one true God - perfectly Trinitarian.

Let's see how you're now going to deny John 1:1.
I have a whole post on John 1:1

Data on John 1:1 | Berean Apologetics Ministry
 
Concerning the word "Word" in John chapter one... It was very common in the culture to use figures of speech and to personalize words and I have stated this before even using an example that we find in the Old Testament when wisdom is referred to as a she. It was the way they wrote. It was not God saying my words have gender. We even do it in our culture when we refer to boats as a she. Nobody thinks boats are living creatures.
 
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