The Issue of Limited Atonement

[synergy]

Christ Jesus is the Jewish MESSIAH = you have been adopted into a Jewish Family

A 'judaizer' is a person who attempts to please God thru the OT law of Moses = very bad

In the NT, there is neither Jew nor Gentile. Are you still pleasing God through the Jewish OT laws of Moses?

(Gal 3:28) There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[DavidTree]

In the NT, there is neither Jew nor Gentile. Are you still pleasing God through the Jewish OT laws of Moses?

very bad = A 'judaizer' is a person who attempts to please God thru the OT law of Moses = very bad

Are you still pleasing God through the Jewish OT laws of Moses?

Why even ask???

(Gal 3:28) There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

AMEN

Keep reading & praying Scripture = All Jews & Gentiles in CHRIST were Born-Again by the SPIRIT of GOD

Now consider what the LORD Says: "Salvation is of the Jews"

The Jewish MESSIAH came according to the law of Moses = Galatians 3:19-25
What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.
Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not!
For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.
But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Based on the Gospel and Galatians = Are Gentiles indebted to GOD for the law of Moses???

 

[synergy]

very bad = A 'judaizer' is a person who attempts to please God thru the OT law of Moses = very bad


Why even ask???


AMEN

Keep reading & praying Scripture = All Jews & Gentiles in CHRIST were Born-Again by the SPIRIT of GOD

Now consider what the LORD Says: "Salvation is of the Jews"

The Jewish MESSIAH came according to the law of Moses = Galatians 3:19-25
What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.
Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not!
For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.
But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Based on the Gospel and Galatians = Are Gentiles indebted to GOD for the law of Moses???

The Law of Moses was given specifically to Israel and served a temporary purpose until the coming of Christ. The Gospel presents Jesus as fulfilling the Law, not imposing it on Gentiles, and Paul insists that both Jews and Gentiles are justified by faith in Christ rather than by works of the law. In Galatians, Paul strongly rejects the idea that Gentiles must keep Mosaic requirements such as circumcision, arguing that to place them under the Law would undermine the sufficiency of Christ’s saving work. Instead, Gentile believers are called to live by the Spirit and not through any obligation to the Mosaic covenant.

 

[brightfame52]

Limited Atonement is seen in Isa 53:8

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken

This agrees with Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Limited to His People, His Elect !

 

[DavidTree]

The Law of Moses was given specifically to Israel and served a temporary purpose until the coming of Christ.

GREAT - now you finally agree with the LORD who Says: "Salvation is of the Jews"

The Gospel presents Jesus as fulfilling the Law

YEP

not imposing it on Gentiles

False
All Jews & Gentiles must believe that which is written in the law = READ John chapter 3

JESUS Says: "Unless you believe IAM HE, you will die in your sins"

Paul insists that both Jews and Gentiles are justified by faith in Christ rather than by works of the law.

YEP

Paul strongly rejects the idea that Gentiles must keep Mosaic requirements such as circumcision, arguing that to place them under the Law would undermine the sufficiency of Christ’s saving work.

YEP

Instead, Gentile believers are called to live by the Spirit and not through any obligation to the Mosaic covenant.

Only part correct

All Jew & Gentile believers are called to live by the Spirit and not through the Mosaic law.

 

[synergy]

False
All Jews & Gentiles must believe that which is written in the law = READ John chapter 3

Circumcision was written in the law. Do you still keep and believe that part? The Apostles negated that part during the Council of Jerusalem. It is Judaizers who tell you that you must be circumcised.

 

[DavidTree]

Circumcision was written in the law. Do you still keep and believe that part? The Apostles negated that part during the Council of Jerusalem. It is Judaizers who tell you that you must be circumcised.

Did JESUS speak of 'circumcision' in John chapter 3 ???

All Jews & Gentiles must believe that which is written in the Torah = READ John chapter 3

After you READ John chapter 3, come back and let me know = what part of Moses/Torah that JESUS Says we MUST believe to be Saved.

 

[synergy]

Did JESUS speak of 'circumcision' in John chapter 3 ???

All Jews & Gentiles must believe that which is written in the Torah = READ John chapter 3

After you READ John chapter 3, come back and let me know = what part of Moses/Torah that JESUS Says we MUST believe to be Saved.

Circumcision is mentioned as part of the Torah (Genesis 17:9–14). So which part of the Torah do you believe and which part you don't?

 

[DavidTree]

Circumcision is mentioned as part of the Torah (Genesis 17:9–14). So which part of the Torah do you believe and which part you don't?

Do you believe John chapter 3 Torah???

Circumcision is still REQUIRED by GOD, as prescribed by GOD in the Torah = Deuteronomy 30:6 and Romans 2:29

Only One Circumcision is Eternal

 

[synergy]

Do you believe John chapter 3 Torah???

Circumcision is still REQUIRED by GOD, as prescribed by GOD in the Torah = Deuteronomy 30:6 and Romans 2:29

Only One Circumcision is Eternal

Do you promote a physical circumcision? Only Judaizers do that.

 

[DavidTree]

Do you promote a physical circumcision? Only Judaizers do that.

Deuteronomy 30:6 is Torah/Moses
Romans 2:29 is NC/JESUS

Do these two Scriptures speak of the same circumcision commanded by God???

 

[synergy]

Deuteronomy 30:6 is Torah/Moses
Romans 2:29 is NC/JESUS

Do these two Scriptures speak of the same circumcision commanded by God???

When will you answer my question? A simple yes or no will suffice.

 

[DavidTree]

When will you answer my question? A simple yes or no will suffice.

A Yes/No answer was given to you
and
You never answered Post 2,587

 

[synergy]

A Yes/No answer was given to you
and
You never answered Post 2,587

Do you see a yes or no in your Post 2587? I don't.

 

[DavidTree]

Do you see a yes or no in your Post 2587? I don't.

A Yes/No answer was given to you in Post 2,591
and
You never answered Post 2,587

 

[synergy]

A Yes/No answer was given to you in Post 2,591
and

Does anyone see a yes or no in your Post 2591? I don't.

You never answered Post 2,587

One question at a time. Answer my question first and then I'll be more than happy to answer yours.

 

[DavidTree]

Does anyone see a yes or no in your Post 2591? I don't.

One question at a time. Answer my question first and then I'll be more than happy to answer yours.

#1 - Your question was answered BEFORE you asked!!!

#2 - CHRIST does not approve of your immature response when you demand to be answered but refuse to give an answer that was posed to you FIRST = 2,587 & 2,591

#3 - Immature/religious response to Post 2,591 - "Does anyone see a yes or no answer in Post 2,591"
By which you demonstrate either a lack of understanding or a refusal to accept the Truth from God:
John 4:22/John ch3 , Deuteronomy 30:6/Romans 2:29



And they reasoned among themselves, saying, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ He will say, ‘Why then did you not believe him?’
But if we say, ‘From men,’ all the people will stone us, for they are persuaded that John was a prophet.”
So they answered that they did not know where it was from.

And Jesus said to them, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I do these things.”

 

[synergy]

#1 - Your question was answered BEFORE you asked!!!

The only way that's possible is if you can predict what I'm going to ask. Tell me what question I'm going to ask next. Let's see if your crystal ball can see into the future.....

#2 - CHRIST does not approve of your immature response when you demand to be answered but refuse to give an answer that was posed to you FIRST = 2,587 & 2,591

So now you're a spokesman for Christ? Your ego is being inflated by the minute.

#3 - Immature/religious response to Post 2,591 - "Does anyone see a yes or no answer in Post 2,591"
By which you demonstrate either a lack of understanding or a refusal to accept the Truth from God:
John 4:22/John ch3 , Deuteronomy 30:6/Romans 2:29

You said "A Yes/No answer was given to you in Post 2,591" which is totally false because there is no yes or no answer in that Post. You are just spewing out falsehoods. That's all you're doing.

And they reasoned among themselves, saying, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ He will say, ‘Why then did you not believe him?’
But if we say, ‘From men,’ all the people will stone us, for they are persuaded that John was a prophet.”
So they answered that they did not know where it was from.

And Jesus said to them, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I do these things.”

You sound like the Pharisees who know nothing about answering a question given to them. That's a very good example for you.

 

[brightfame52]

The incarnation of Christ was to target not all mankind but a particular segment, the adopted children of God Per Heb 2:14

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Only the adopted children of God had a redemptive relationship with Him, and this adoption no doubt took place in eternity at the same time of their election in Christ.

As Vs 13 points out the Father had given them to Christ before He was incarnate

And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

And He guaranteed they would trust in God, they will become believers.

 

[FreeInChrist]

The incarnation of Christ was to target not all mankind but a particular segment, the adopted children of God Per Heb 2:14

Do you have any idea how crazy this sounds.

First you tell us that the elect is predestined before creation

Then you come along and tell us that those predestined are given the needed faith in which to believe.

Now you say that
The incarnation of Christ was to target not all mankind but a particular segment, the adopted children of God Per Heb 2:14

If those in Heb 2:14 have been predestined... and according to Got ? that is so... the first 2 paragraphs say this...

Hebrews 2:14 says, “Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil.” The Son of God took on human flesh to break the devil’s power of death. What does it mean that the devil had “the power of death”? Let’s review the immediate context of Hebrews 2:14 and related passages.

The book of Hebrews was written to Jewish Christians who were being tempted to abandon their faith and return to Judaism(. (Guess they were not told they were predestined and therefore with the in group?)The writer begins the second chapter by warning them not to “drift away” from their salvation (Hebrews 2:1). Salvation is grounded in God’s Son, “the radiance of God’s glory” (Hebrews 1:3). The Son descended from heaven, assumed human flesh, and “provided purification for sins” (Hebrews 1:3) through His death and resurrection.

This is why I believe Jesus came...

Tell me why when they were given their faith they were not told to repent?

Your predestined religion seems to combine at least two different thoughts on the subject.... So glad I am no longer there.

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Only the adopted children of God had a redemptive relationship with Him, and this adoption no doubt took place in eternity at the same time of their election in Christ.

As Vs 13 points out the Father had given them to Christ before He was incarnate

And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

And He guaranteed they would trust in God, they will become believers.