e v e
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all God's sons will rule eden with Christ.
The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ
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Dizerner
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Jesus did just fine without us, and he can do just fine without us.
Runningman
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He wouldn't have did fine without God. He's the same as us in that regard.
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Runningman
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Jesus being dependent on God is exactly where he belongs. He was never above that so what I said is exactly how he represented himself.
John 5
30I can do nothing by Myself; I judge only as I hear. And My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
John 8
28So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing on My own, but speak exactly what the Father has taught Me. 29He who sent Me is with Me. He has not left Me alone, because I always do what pleases Him.”
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Right before that he was telling Nicodemus he must come from above, too. Do you understand his point more clearly now?
John 3
3Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, except anyone be born from above, he is not able to see the kingdom of God.”
So, what does it mean when it says, from Peter, "18 For Christ also [a]suffered for sins once for all time, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;"
Note: This is not a trick question. Give a good take. Why was He "made alive" in the spirit? When was He "dead" in the spirit. (Consider sin, and what Jesus was doing.)
He did not despise or scorn Him, it pleased Him to do it. (Isaiah 53) However, you can't deal with that without reading the rest of Isaiah 53. Many of your answers completely ignore the rest of Isaiah 53.
He said "It is finished" before then.
Again, Jesus said "Why have You forsaken Me", but again, that is the perception of the humanity. God never left, never forsook, however, that does not mean that Jesus did not, for a moment, lose fellowhip due to sin. The Father cannot look upon sin.
Could that be why God raised Him from the dead? I mean, Jesus still died on the cross. This goes back to the above. The death was spiritual, but that simply meant separation from God (for the humanity of Christ) until He said "It is finished". Jesus God's Son cannot take death upon Himself (the divinity), for that would make the Godhead sin. The human nature can. Two natures in one body. When the human nature bore the sin of mankind, the fellowship between the human and the divine was interrupted. Then when He died, He was made alive in the spirit. Sin's price had been paid.
That's not it either. Jesus went to Pardise, which is also known as Abraham's bosom. He also went to "Tarturus" which is where angels who were disobedient in the days before Noah were chained up until judgement. And He went there to preach to them. Preach also means to proclaim. He went through and proclaimed to these angels that He had won. He had conquered. And they can't go anywhere because they had sinned against God.
Who said He was despised. He felt forsaken when the fellowship was interrupted. If you become blind, if everyone is quiet, you may feel forsaken though there is someone standing 2 inches away from you. The Father could not look upon His Son bearing sin. Again, however, it is the human nature of Christ that bore the sin that God cannot. Hence the God man, 100% man, 100% God in one body. Two natures. Have you ever thought about whether there was a reason God came to Earth in this manner? I mean, God had been on Earth before, talking to both Adam and Abraham. Perhaps even Melchizedek and Enoch. Some believe the Angel of the Lord of the Old Testament is a preincarnate Jesus. Jesus came as a man (and God) because only a man could die for man's sin. Not to mention God can't die. So if God can't die, just who died on the cross?
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civic
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He was resurrected by the power of the Spirit as per (Romans 8:11).
I have addressed the rest of this post in a thread on the topic in my thesis paper here.
That isn't what Peter said. He said He was made alive in the spirit and then went and preached to the prisoners in tartarus. And it is the Father who resurrected the Son, thus showing to all involved that Jesus sacrifice satisfied His justice.He was resurrected by the power of the Spirit as per (Romans 8:11).
I have addressed the rest of this post in a thread on the topic in my thesis paper here.
Galatians 1
1 Paul, an apostle (not sent from men nor through human agency, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead),
11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies [a]through His Spirit who dwells in you.
Ahem, the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead. So not the Spirit, but it is the Him who raised Jesus from the dead. The Father.
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civic
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And Jesus said He would raise Himself from the dead in John 2:19-21
John 2:19-21
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” But the temple he had spoken of was his body.
You don't believe Jesus words in the above passage ?
I edited to late. Read Romans 8:11 again. It says that the Father raised Jesus from the dead, just as it says the Father raised Jesus from the dead in Galatians 1:1. Again, it had to be this way. The Father raised Jesus from the dead to show the world His satisfaction with the sacrifice. It is like the rest of Jesus ministry. He kept proclaiming things that if the Father disagreed or hated, the Father would have not allowed Jesus to act, and in fact would punish Him. The religious leaders refused to accept this simple logic, while the people did. They believed God would not allow someone who blasphemed Him or spoke against Him to do the things Jesus was doing as Jesus said, the works of the Father.
civic
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The Triune God raised Jesus from the dead
The Father- 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10
The Son- John 2:19-21
The Holy Spirit- Romans 8:11
hope this helps !!!
You need to read Romans 8:11 again. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies [a]through His Spirit who dwells in you.
Paul is just as clear here as he is in Galatians 1.
I THessalonians 1:9-10. I guess Paul is all in on the Father raising Jesus from the dead. And if the Bible is inspired, that means God said it, right?
"9 For they themselves report about us [a]as to the kind of reception we had with you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve [c]a living and true God, 10 and to wait for His Son from [d]heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is, Jesus who rescues us from the wrath to come.
Again all three are invovled, but the Father is the one given credit by Paul for the reason stated. It proves the Father is satisfied with Christ's sacrifice.
e v e
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if so then he is not of God.
e v e
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life = the eden body not this one.
The holy spirit is His feminine counterpart.
the satanic oneness all male club of course does like the all male thing. much brainwashing and murder happened over centuries to bring in 'modern' christianity. almost half the apostles murdered.
esau has been busy.
the spirit of Him is feminine..
this is why satan attacked eve.
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e v e
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for one thing jesus knew enough not to have ape sex (sex in this fallen body) ---- which is satanic.
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