The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ

[e v e]

No and neither did Jesus.

Try being head without a body and see how far that gets you.

all God's sons will rule eden with Christ.

 

[Dizerner]

Try being head without a body and see how far that gets you.

Jesus did just fine without us, and he can do just fine without us.

 

[Runningman]

Jesus did just fine without us, and he can do just fine without us.

He wouldn't have did fine without God. He's the same as us in that regard.

 

[Dizerner]

He wouldn't have did fine without God. He's the same as us in that regard.

You've lowered Christ and raised yourself.

Not a good look.

 

[Dizerner]

He must increase, but I must decrease.
He who comes from above is above all
(Jn. 3:30-31 NKJ)

 

[Runningman]

You've lowered Christ and raised yourself.

Not a good look.

Jesus being dependent on God is exactly where he belongs. He was never above that so what I said is exactly how he represented himself.

John 5
30I can do nothing by Myself; I judge only as I hear. And My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

John 8
28So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing on My own, but speak exactly what the Father has taught Me. 29He who sent Me is with Me. He has not left Me alone, because I always do what pleases Him.”

 

[Runningman]

He must increase, but I must decrease.
He who comes from above is above all
(Jn. 3:30-31 NKJ)

Right before that he was telling Nicodemus he must come from above, too. Do you understand his point more clearly now?

John 3
3Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, except anyone be born from above, he is not able to see the kingdom of God.”

 

[armylngst]

Jesus did not die spiritually. That is impossible for one and secondly its not found in scripture. He died physically. Upon His physical death He said " Father into thy hands I commit my spirit. "

So, what does it mean when it says, from Peter, "18 For Christ also [a]suffered for sins once for all time, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;"
Note: This is not a trick question. Give a good take. Why was He "made alive" in the spirit? When was He "dead" in the spirit. (Consider sin, and what Jesus was doing.)

The following scriptures affirm that Jesus' relationship with the Father on the cross was still there and not broken.

Psalm 22:24 For he has not despised or scorned the suffering of the afflicted one; he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help.

He did not despise or scorn Him, it pleased Him to do it. (Isaiah 53) However, you can't deal with that without reading the rest of Isaiah 53. Many of your answers completely ignore the rest of Isaiah 53.

Luke 23:46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last.

He said "It is finished" before then.

John 16:32 "A time is coming and in fact has come when you will be scattered, each to your own home. You will leave me all alone. Yet I am not alone, for my Father is with me."

Again, Jesus said "Why have You forsaken Me", but again, that is the perception of the humanity. God never left, never forsook, however, that does not mean that Jesus did not, for a moment, lose fellowhip due to sin. The Father cannot look upon sin.

Hebrews 5:7 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.

Could that be why God raised Him from the dead? I mean, Jesus still died on the cross. This goes back to the above. The death was spiritual, but that simply meant separation from God (for the humanity of Christ) until He said "It is finished". Jesus God's Son cannot take death upon Himself (the divinity), for that would make the Godhead sin. The human nature can. Two natures in one body. When the human nature bore the sin of mankind, the fellowship between the human and the divine was interrupted. Then when He died, He was made alive in the spirit. Sin's price had been paid.

Jesus' promise to the thief on the cross that today you will be with Me in Paradise reaffirms Jesus went to be with the Father and not suffer in hell as some teach.

That's not it either. Jesus went to Pardise, which is also known as Abraham's bosom. He also went to "Tarturus" which is where angels who were disobedient in the days before Noah were chained up until judgement. And He went there to preach to them. Preach also means to proclaim. He went through and proclaimed to these angels that He had won. He had conquered. And they can't go anywhere because they had sinned against God.

Jesus bearing God's “cup of wrath” and being despised and forsaken by the Father and Him turning His back on the Son is not found in Scripture.

Who said He was despised. He felt forsaken when the fellowship was interrupted. If you become blind, if everyone is quiet, you may feel forsaken though there is someone standing 2 inches away from you. The Father could not look upon His Son bearing sin. Again, however, it is the human nature of Christ that bore the sin that God cannot. Hence the God man, 100% man, 100% God in one body. Two natures. Have you ever thought about whether there was a reason God came to Earth in this manner? I mean, God had been on Earth before, talking to both Adam and Abraham. Perhaps even Melchizedek and Enoch. Some believe the Angel of the Lord of the Old Testament is a preincarnate Jesus. Jesus came as a man (and God) because only a man could die for man's sin. Not to mention God can't die. So if God can't die, just who died on the cross?

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

So, what does it mean when it says, from Peter, "18 For Christ also [a]suffered for sins once for all time, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;"
Note: This is not a trick question. Give a good take. Why was He "made alive" in the spirit? When was He "dead" in the spirit. (Consider sin, and what Jesus was doing.)

He was resurrected by the power of the Spirit as per (Romans 8:11).

I have addressed the rest of this post in a thread on the topic in my thesis paper here.

Thread 'The Nature of God in the Atonement'

Jul 13, 2023

Link removed and posted below.

The above is to long to post here it would be 5/6 separate posts. I might break it up in sections below.

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[armylngst]

He was resurrected by the power of the Spirit as per (Romans 8:11).

I have addressed the rest of this post in a thread on the topic in my thesis paper here.

Thread 'The Nature of God in the Atonement'

Jul 13, 2023

Link removed and posted below.

The above is to long to post here it would be 5/6 separate posts. I might break it up in sections below.

• civic
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• Forum: Penal Substitutionary Atonement

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That isn't what Peter said. He said He was made alive in the spirit and then went and preached to the prisoners in tartarus. And it is the Father who resurrected the Son, thus showing to all involved that Jesus sacrifice satisfied His justice.

Galatians 1
1 Paul, an apostle (not sent from men nor through human agency, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead),

11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies [a]through His Spirit who dwells in you.

Ahem, the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead. So not the Spirit, but it is the Him who raised Jesus from the dead. The Father.

 

[civic]

That isn't what Peter said. He said He was made alive in the spirit and then went and preached to the prisoners in tartarus. And it is the Father who resurrected the Son, thus showing to all involved that Jesus sacrifice satisfied His justice.

1 Paul, an apostle (not sent from men nor through human agency, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead),

And Jesus said He would raise Himself from the dead in John 2:19-21

John 2:19-21
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” But the temple he had spoken of was his body.

You don't believe Jesus words in the above passage ?

 

[armylngst]

And Jesus said He would raise Himself from the dead in John 2:19-21

John 2:19-21
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” But the temple he had spoken of was his body.

You don't believe Jesus words in the above passage ?

I edited to late. Read Romans 8:11 again. It says that the Father raised Jesus from the dead, just as it says the Father raised Jesus from the dead in Galatians 1:1. Again, it had to be this way. The Father raised Jesus from the dead to show the world His satisfaction with the sacrifice. It is like the rest of Jesus ministry. He kept proclaiming things that if the Father disagreed or hated, the Father would have not allowed Jesus to act, and in fact would punish Him. The religious leaders refused to accept this simple logic, while the people did. They believed God would not allow someone who blasphemed Him or spoke against Him to do the things Jesus was doing as Jesus said, the works of the Father.

 

[civic]

I edited to late. Read Romans 8:11 again. It says that the Father raised Jesus from the dead, just as it says the Father raised Jesus from the dead in Galatians 1:1. Again, it had to be this way. The Father raised Jesus from the dead to show the world His satisfaction with the sacrifice. It is like the rest of Jesus ministry. He kept proclaiming things that if the Father disagreed or hated, the Father would have not allowed Jesus to act, and in fact would punish Him. The religious leaders refused to accept this simple logic, while the people did. They believed God would not allow someone who blasphemed Him or spoke against Him to do the things Jesus was doing as Jesus said, the works of the Father.

The Triune God raised Jesus from the dead

The Father- 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10
The Son- John 2:19-21
The Holy Spirit- Romans 8:11

hope this helps !!!

 

[armylngst]

The Triune God raised Jesus from the dead

The Father- 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10
The Son- John 2:19-21
The Holy Spirit- Romans 8:11

hope this helps !!!

You need to read Romans 8:11 again. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies [a]through His Spirit who dwells in you.

Paul is just as clear here as he is in Galatians 1.
I THessalonians 1:9-10. I guess Paul is all in on the Father raising Jesus from the dead. And if the Bible is inspired, that means God said it, right?
"9 For they themselves report about us [a]as to the kind of reception we had with you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve [c]a living and true God, 10 and to wait for His Son from [d]heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is, Jesus who rescues us from the wrath to come.

Again all three are invovled, but the Father is the one given credit by Paul for the reason stated. It proves the Father is satisfied with Christ's sacrifice.

 

[e v e]

Jesus did just fine without us, and he can do just fine without us.

if so then he is not of God.

 

[e v e]

everything He promised was for His eden souls. His family.

Promised!


To do without us is then to be a double minded sociopath.

 

[e v e]

You need to read Romans 8:11 again. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies [a]through His Spirit who dwells in you.

Paul is just as clear here as he is in Galatians 1.
I THessalonians 1:9-10. I guess Paul is all in on the Father raising Jesus from the dead. And if the Bible is inspired, that means God said it, right?
"9 For they themselves report about us [a]as to the kind of reception we had with you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve [c]a living and true God, 10 and to wait for His Son from [d]heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is, Jesus who rescues us from the wrath to come.

Again all three are invovled, but the Father is the one given credit by Paul for the reason stated. It proves the Father is satisfied with Christ's sacrifice.

life = the eden body not this one.

The holy spirit is His feminine counterpart.

the satanic oneness all male club of course does like the all male thing. much brainwashing and murder happened over centuries to bring in 'modern' christianity. almost half the apostles murdered.

esau has been busy.


the spirit of Him is feminine..


this is why satan attacked eve.

 

[e v e]

if so then he is not of God.

for one thing jesus knew enough not to have ape sex (sex in this fallen body) ---- which is satanic.

 

[Cyrus]

Hypostatic Union


1. Jesus is a person. (1 Tim 2:5)

2. Jesus, the Person, has two natures- Divine and human (John 1:1, 14, 1 Timothy 3:16): Divine and human. This is the Hypostatic Union.( Col 2:9, Heb 1:3,2:16)

3. The Communicatio Idiomatum (Communication of the Properties) states that the attributes of His Divine nature and human nature are both ascribed to the one Person of Jesus, the Divine Son who is the 2nd Person of the Trinity. So Jesus can exhibit attributes of Divinity (Omnipresence, Omniscience, Omnipotence, . John 2:23, 3:13, 8:58, He was prayed to in Acts 7:59, John 14:13, He was is worshiped Matt 2:2:11, Rev 5:13-14) and at the same time exhibit attributes of His humanity( He was tempted, ate, prayed,wept, grew in wisdom and stature,was anointed,was baptized, the Father was greater, didn’t know the day or the hour of His Return, He cried My God my God why has Thou forsaken Me, He died etc.). The communicatio idiomatum does not mean that any part of the Divine nature was communicated to the human nature. The Creed of Chalcedon declares that : “in two natures, without confusion, without change, without division, without separation, the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved, and concurring in one persona and one subsistence, not parted or divided into two person, but one and the same Son, and only begotten, God the Word, the Lord Jesus Christ.

4. The Man(anthropos) Jesus is what we perceive (if we were there 2000 years ago in Israel) and through the Man we encounter the Divine nature (Jesus knowing all things, is on earth while in heaven, answers prayer, forgiving sins, etc.).

5. The Person of Jesus will always be both Divine and human. (John 1:1,14,20:28, 1 John 5:20, 1 Timothy 2:5) Those who deny this fact are the spirit of antichrist. (1 John 4:1-4,2 John 7)

6. The Divine Nature is within the Trinity.(Father, Son and Holy Spirit)

7. Since the Person of Jesus claims the attributes of Divinity(John 3:13,8:58,Matthew 9:2,12:8), then the Person of Jesus is a member of the Trinity.( John 14-16, Math 28:19)

Anything said of either of Christ's two natures applies to the one Person of Christ, so that is how it is said that Christ died on the cross. The term "hypostatic union" refers to the two natures united in the one Person, so anything said of those two natures in the one Person applies to the whole Person. So we see that the Person of Christ is both God and man. The phrase hypostatic union was adopted by the general council at Chalcedon 451 AD. That council declared that the union of two natures is real (against Arius), not a mere indwelling of God in a man (against Nestorius), with a rational soul (against Apollinaris), and that in Christ’s Divine nature remains unchanged (against Eutyches).

We need to look to the Monothelite Controversy which had to deal with whether there was one or two wills/minds in the person of Christ. The outcome was that there were two; one human and one divine with the human subjected to the divine. The eternal Son of God did not assume a part of a human nature without a mind, without a will, without human activity, but He assumed all the things that were planted in our nature by God.

Now then, to act (or in this case, speak) is the work of a person, but the form or nature is the cause of this action; for each person acts in accord with the form or nature which it has. A difference in causes (natures) produces a difference in effects (actions). Therefore, where there are different natures, there are also different activities. So in the one Person of Christ there are two natural actions, the divine and the human, each of which has its own essential attributes, functions, and actions. Jesus was thirty years old according to His human nature (Luke 3:23); according to His divine nature He could say: "Before Abraham was born, I am" (John 8:58). The question is did both natures know this and communicate it to the Person. The answer is yes because the divine nature with its corresponding divine will willed the human nature to respond in such a fashion in keeping with Christ's office and ministry. In the text regarding Mark 13:32, we have a slightly different situation here. Christ is acting (speaking) from His human nature, but, this time, the divine will does not allow the human will access to this knowledge. For this information is not to be published on earth. Therefore, as man, Christ cannot answer the question. In the works pertaining to the office of Christ as Prophet, Priest, and King both natures act in conjunction with each other, each nature doing what is peculiar to the same. The book of Hebrews goes into great detail with these offices.

hope this helps !!!

Very good OOP. The more I know about Jesus the better. This is as far as my study on hypostatic union goes.

"The union of Christ’s human nature to the hypostasis or person of God the Word." But your OP will help me learn more.

 

[Cyrus]

for one thing jesus knew enough not to have ape sex (sex in this fallen body) ---- which is satanic.

Where I live they lock you up for having ape sex. Sorry eve I just couldn't help myself. But you right Jesus did remained virgin.