The Gospel of Twelve Thrones

The word "woe" means "grief."

Greek Word: οὐαί
Transliteration: ouai
Phonetic Pronunciation: oo-ah’ee
Root: a primary exclamation of grief
Part of Speech: interj

22 And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!
Luke 22:22.

"Grief" to that man (Judas) by whom he is betrayed. Jesus was correct. Judas experienced much grief for his act against Jesus. "Denunciation" had nothing to do with what Judas did. He didn't "denounce" Jesus. He pointed Him out by declaring Jesus as the man they wanted. In effect, he said, "this is the man you want. This is the Christ."
Peter denied Jesus. What Peter did was worse than what Judas did. Judas declared Jesus. Peter denied Him. Three times!

I only have one linguist: Strong.
I don't confuse definitions by choosing a linguist (Strong) and when his definition is "weak": or doesn't support what I am saying, to choose another (Thayer) and confuse the subject, which is what you're trying to do. I am solidly behind Strong and have used ONLY HIM for nearly fifty years.

Judas suffered grief for what he did.
Strong’s Greek 3759, οὐαί (transliterated “ouai”), conveys an intense exclamation of grief, dread, or denunciation.

BADG: an interjection denoting pain or displeasure woe or alas …
1) as and exclamation-a. with the dative of the person or thing

And it references Luke 22:22 as one example among many others. Thus it is “woe to” Judas.


Doug
 
Here, Jesus promises His disciples each a throne when things are restored (after defeating His enemies and Himself sitting on His throne in Jerusalem.)

27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first. Matthew 19:27–30.

This passage alone should give everyone pause towards the prevailing teaching that Judas is doomed, went to hell, and is eternally separated from God and His Christ. Another passage which takes place in the garden right before Jesus is arrested Jesus calls Judas "Friend" and I am not one who believes any of the Lord's Friends are eternally lost. I have other considerations but for now I will only say that at Jesus' last Passover, He took the cup and the bread and said, "these are given for you." His body and blood are sacrificed "for you" (meaning the twelve.) And according to Jeremiah's prophecy of a New Covenant between God and the House of Israel (ten northern kingdom tribes), and the House of Judah (two southern kingdom tribes.) Jeremiah's prophecy describes the God of this covenant on his own and completely unilaterally "forgiving Israel."

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour (member of a tribe living next to 'you'), and every man his brother (member of the same tribe), saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:34.

Faith is not a requirement because when Christ does invade a person's life to save them the Holy Spirit who is faith personified provides the faith to believe. God will make them willing when they are delivered from their bondage to sin and turned to God and His Christ. Salvation (and all its parts) is OF THE LORD. And salvation is OF THE JEWS.
By being called and chosen by God Abraham and his seed are in covenant with God. God will keep His Promises at the appointed time. And, as Saul has said quoting the prophet, "And ALL Israel shall be saved." Nothing shall stop it.
Judas was born to betray Jesus. There is no history to be found of Iscariot, none.
 
Strong’s Greek 3759, οὐαί (transliterated “ouai”), conveys an intense exclamation of grief, dread, or denunciation.

BADG: an interjection denoting pain or displeasure woe or alas …
1) as and exclamation-a. with the dative of the person or thing

And it references Luke 22:22 as one example among many others. Thus it is “woe to” Judas.


Doug
It means only grief. And Judas' actions caused him much grief. But he was under the Law, and the Law prescribed death for any Jew who was complicit in the death of an innocent man. Judas knew this and it grieved him deeply.
Judas didn't denunciate Jesus. He declared Him, he pointed him out to the Temple guards in effect saying, "This is Jesus, the King of Israel" while Peter denied Him three times in one hour. There's your denunciation. And Peter and the other disciples betray Jesus by leaving Him with the guards while they all ran away and denied Him. Judas was the one who declared Jesus.
 
Judas was born to betray Jesus. There is no history to be found of Iscariot, none.
Jesus said, "better if that man had not been born."
So, if Judas was not born someone else would have taken his place because Jesus' death was foretold through the prophets and I bet you don't even know what Judas did that earned him the title as betrayer/traitor.

So, what did Judas do?
 
It means only grief.
Not according to every lexicon I have shown you. I’ve asked you many times to quote a source that says “grief” is the only meaning. I’m still waiting…

Here’s another lexical source:

Bill Mounce: ouai
Definition:
Wo! Alas!, Mt. 11:21; 18:7; 23:13, 14, 15, 16; ἡ οὐαι, subst., a woe, calamity, Rev. 9:12; 11:14


Doug
 
It means only grief. And Judas' actions caused him much grief. But he was under the Law, and the Law prescribed death for any Jew who was complicit in the death of an innocent man. Judas knew this and it grieved him deeply.
Judas didn't denunciate Jesus. He declared Him, he pointed him out to the Temple guards in effect saying, "This is Jesus, the King of Israel" while Peter denied Him three times in one hour. There's your denunciation. And Peter and the other disciples betray Jesus by leaving Him with the guards while they all ran away and denied Him. Judas was the one who declared Jesus.
Bill Mounce

Matthew 11:21“Woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to you, Chorazin! Woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, had been done the mighty works done in you they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
Matthew 18:7Woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! It is inevitable that such things come, but woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to the one through whom they come!
Matthew 23:13“But woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in.
Matthew 23:15“Woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel over land and sea to gain a single convert; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
Matthew 23:16“Woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to you, blind guides who say, ‘If someone swears by the temple it means nothing; but if someone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.’
Matthew 23:23“Woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done without neglecting the former.
Matthew 23:25“Woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you clean off the outside of the cup and the plate while inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
Matthew 23:27“Woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you are like whitewashed tombs that look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and all kinds of filth.
Matthew 23:29“Woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous,
Matthew 24:19But woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to women who are pregnant and to mothers who are nursing babies in those days!
Matthew 26:24The Son of Man will depart as it is written of him, but woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to that one by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man had he not been born.”
 
Luke 22:47While he was still speaking a crowd came up, and the man who was called Judas, one of the Twelve, was leading them. He approached Jesus to kiss him, 48but Jesus asked him, “Judas, are you betraying the Son of Man with a kiss?”

Jesus sure thought so….

Doug
I don't see denunciation in the passage. Because there is none.
 
Not according to every lexicon I have shown you. I’ve asked you many times to quote a source that says “grief” is the only meaning. I’m still waiting…

Here’s another lexical source:

Bill Mounce: ouai
Definition:
Wo! Alas!, Mt. 11:21; 18:7; 23:13, 14, 15, 16; ἡ οὐαι, subst., a woe, calamity, Rev. 9:12; 11:14


Doug
God means what He says and says what He means. There are not many interpretations to any one passage of Scripture. By jumping around you get confused. Strong is the only linguist I know who doesn't "lead the witness" like Vine's for one does.
Strong keeps it simple.
 
Bill Mounce


Matthew 11:21“Woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to you, Chorazin! Woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, had been done the mighty works done in you they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
Matthew 18:7Woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! It is inevitable that such things come, but woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to the one through whom they come!
Matthew 23:13“But woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in.
Matthew 23:15“Woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel over land and sea to gain a single convert; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
Matthew 23:16“Woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to you, blind guides who say, ‘If someone swears by the temple it means nothing; but if someone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.’
Matthew 23:23“Woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done without neglecting the former.
Matthew 23:25“Woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you clean off the outside of the cup and the plate while inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
Matthew 23:27“Woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you are like whitewashed tombs that look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and all kinds of filth.
Matthew 23:29“Woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous,
Matthew 24:19But woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to women who are pregnant and to mothers who are nursing babies in those days!
Matthew 26:24The Son of Man will depart as it is written of him, but woe (ouai | οὐαί | interjection) to that one by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man had he not been born.”
"Woe" in every passage means "grief."
 
Jesus said, "better if that man had not been born."
So, if Judas was not born someone else would have taken his place because Jesus' death was foretold through the prophets and I bet you don't even know what Judas did that earned him the title as betrayer/traitor.

So, what did Judas do?
Wheat and tares. Who were the tares? The ones Satan planted.
 
Wheat and tares. Who were the tares? The ones Satan planted.
According to Peter the angels that sinned are locked up awaiting judgment. This took place BEFORE God created man.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:4.

Isaiah and Jude say the same thing.

In the parable of the wheat and tares the "enemy" is man. False religions are founded by men.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. Matthew 13:27–28.

You give "Satan" too much glory. In the Old Testament "Satan" is used to describe men. The word merely means "adversary."

14 And the LORD stirred up an adversary ["Satan"] unto Solomon, Hadad the Edomite: he was of the king’s seed in Edom. 1 Kings 11:14.

The "tares" identify "fakes" and "false" brethren/believers.

The Lord does teach us how to identify the "fakes" and "false" brethren/believers. According to the parable the tares are planted among the wheat. One way this happens is due to the false understanding of the gospel where fakes and false brethren - even true brethren - invite unbelievers into our meetings. Then they are told to "accept Jesus into your heart" or lie to them by saying "God loves you" (the unbeliever) or join our fellowship and you will be saved. They also teach a false doctrine of going up to the altar for an "altar call." The "altar call" is not in the Bible. This practice was introduced by Finney in the 1800s as one person put it, "to increase donations."
 
According to Peter the angels that sinned are locked up awaiting judgment. This took place BEFORE God created man.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:4.

Isaiah and Jude say the same thing.

In the parable of the wheat and tares the "enemy" is man. False religions are founded by men.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. Matthew 13:27–28.

You give "Satan" too much glory. In the Old Testament "Satan" is used to describe men. The word merely means "adversary."

14 And the LORD stirred up an adversary ["Satan"] unto Solomon, Hadad the Edomite: he was of the king’s seed in Edom. 1 Kings 11:14.

The "tares" identify "fakes" and "false" brethren/believers.

The Lord does teach us how to identify the "fakes" and "false" brethren/believers. According to the parable the tares are planted among the wheat. One way this happens is due to the false understanding of the gospel where fakes and false brethren - even true brethren - invite unbelievers into our meetings. Then they are told to "accept Jesus into your heart" or lie to them by saying "God loves you" (the unbeliever) or join our fellowship and you will be saved. They also teach a false doctrine of going up to the altar for an "altar call." The "altar call" is not in the Bible. This practice was introduced by Finney in the 1800s as one person put it, "to increase donations."
Not so. Jesus said the Son of Man planted the good wheat and the sons of the evil one, is who planted the tares. Satan is still around, I've delt with him, and demons. If you don't believe that, go to the criminal insane ward at the Jail.
 
God means what He says and says what He means. There are not many interpretations to any one passage of Scripture. By jumping around you get confused. Strong is the only linguist I know who doesn't "lead the witness" like Vine's for one does.
Strong keeps it simple.
You reject Strong’s complete definition! By the way, not everything is “simple”, nor are words always the basic root meaning in every context. Jesus said “woe to him” (Judas); why woe, because that which was going to happen, the result of his actions would bring destruction causing him grief. Grief is always the result of a negative experience: death, loss, regret, sin, betrayal, utter ruin.

Doug
 
Not so. Jesus said the Son of Man planted the good wheat and the sons of the evil one, is who planted the tares. Satan is still around, I've delt with him, and demons. If you don't believe that, go to the criminal insane ward at the Jail.
I'd say you don't believe Peter who says under the anointing the angels that sinned are locked up awaiting judgment.

I can also claim spiritual oppression and suppression but these are of the 'spirit' (attitudes) of men.

Unsaved man is the enemy of God. The thing I see when Jesus dealt with "possessed" men was give them an attitude adjustment. Then He was able to address the mental conditions of these ignorant people.
 
What does your face look like with your nose cut off? Betrayal is an act of denunciation; he is turning him over to be executed, which is hardly an act of approval. He chose money over Jesus!


Doug
He didn't 'turn Him over' to be executed. That's not his betrayal. And Judas rejected money. He cast the silver back into the priests' face. He brought forth fruit worthy of repentance.

You still haven't told me what Judas did that was his betrayal. Try again.
 
You reject Strong’s complete definition! By the way, not everything is “simple”, nor are words always the basic root meaning in every context.
Actually, they are. In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was God. That's where we start. That's where we end. Words.
Jesus said “woe to him” (Judas); why woe, because that which was going to happen, the result of his actions would bring destruction causing him grief.
You got it backwards. It is his grief that would bring destruction. Before he hung himself nothing was destroyed except trust. But they all rejected Him., They all fled. They chose their lives over Jesus'.
Grief is always the result of a negative experience: death, loss, regret, sin, betrayal, utter ruin.

Doug
I don't see death, loss, regret, sin, betrayal, utter ruin as negative experience. You see these as man does and need to see them as God sees them. You are too man centered. I see it now. A born-again believer never sees "utter ruin." Nor shall he ever die. He can lose the world and gain his life. Sins of God's people has been atoned. Regret is a good teacher for the next time. Judas' grief began when "he saw" (understood) Jesus was condemned to die. Tell me honestly what happened next.
 
Yep:
paradidómi

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
betray, bring forth
From para and didomi; to surrender, i.e yield up, intrust, transmit -- betray, bring forth, cast, commit, deliver (up), give (over, up), hazard, put in prison, recommend.

see GREEK para

see GREEK didomi


Doug
Your error is that you use translation to define words. Learn to use Strong's concordance. You're not using it correctly.
 
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