The Gospel Of Salvation

[civic]

There u go calling the Grace Gospel man made

It was invented during the reformation

 

[brightfame52]

@Richard

So you don't preach the true gospel because you reject it. Throughout the Bible “faith” coupled with God’s “grace” is essential for salvation.

Faith is part of the Gospel of Grace, because it comes with Salvation Grace and its for the Election of Grace. Eph 2:8 and so the elect believe by means of Grace Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

You fail to preach Faith aright if you dont emphasize its not of man but a Gift of Gods electing Grace.

 

[brightfame52]

It was invented during the reformation

No it wasn't, that's what you have been taught by men, the truths of Tulip are traced back to before the foundation of the world in Gods Purpose

 

[civic]

No it wasn't, that's what you have been taught by men, the truths of Tulip are traced back to before the foundation of the world in Gods Purpose

nope tulip was invented after calvin died by his followers.

you don't know church history.

next fallacy

 

[brightfame52]

nope tulip was invented after calvin died by his followers.

you don't know church history.

next fallacy

You dont believe the total depravity of man was taught in the Ot scriptures ? What about Gen 6:5

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Was this made by calvin or during the reformation ?

 

[civic]

You dont believe the total depravity of man was taught in the Ot scriptures ? What about Gen 6:5

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Was this made by calvin or during the reformation ?

nope that was the wickedness of the pre flood world.

next fallacy

 

[brightfame52]

nope that was the wickedness of the pre flood world.

next fallacy

I know who it was, still man DUH Even after the flood it is written Gen 8 21

21 And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Same evil imagination Gen 6:5

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

 

[Fool4Christ]

I know who it was, still man DUH Even after the flood it is written Gen 8 21

21 And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Same evil imagination Gen 6:5

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Did that include the elect?

 

[brightfame52]

Did that include the elect?

Sure, the elect by nature are wicked. But like Noah the Elect obtain Grace from the Lord, thats why all of Salvation is of Grace, and that's why total depravity is a Grace Doctrine Gen 6:5-8

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

But Noah was just as worthy to be destroyed with the others, he was by nature a wicked evil man.

 

[Fool4Christ]

Sure, the elect by nature are wicked. But like Noah the Elect obtain Grace from the Lord, thats why all of Salvation is of Grace, and that's why total depravity is a Grace Doctrine Gen 6:5-8

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

But Noah was just as worthy to be destroyed with the others, he was by nature a wicked evil man.

Yes, as detailed as was God’s plan for Noah’s ark—the wood, the pitch, the dimensions, the windows and doors as seen in Gen 6:14–21,
God also laid down the plans for the thirty-three-year life of his Son with much more care! In his premeditated mercy, God planned out every detail of the life of Jesus so as to provide us with a perfect Savior, with an ark that will not sink! And “whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed”

The bible says, No man who believes in Him [who adheres to, relies on, and trusts in Him] will [ever] be put to shame or be disappointed.

12 [No one] for there is no distinction between Jew and Greek. The same Lord is Lord over all [of us] and He generously bestows His riches upon all who call upon Him [in faith].
13 For everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord [invoking Him as Lord] will be saved.
Romans 10:11–13

Also Noah preached to his neighbors and they had opportunity to climb aboard the ark and be saved. But they missed the opportunity of grace. They did not accept Gods gift that is available to all.

But by the free gift of God's grace all are put right with him through Christ Jesus, who sets them free. The good news is that God is gracious to save whoever repents of their wrong doing and places their trust in Him. By faith anyone may be forgiven and credited as righteous

 

[Biblelesson]

Yes, as detailed as was God’s plan for Noah’s ark—the wood, the pitch, the dimensions, the windows and doors as seen in Gen 6:14–21,
God also laid down the plans for the thirty-three-year life of his Son with much more care! In his premeditated mercy, God planned out every detail of the life of Jesus so as to provide us with a perfect Savior, with an ark that will not sink! And “whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed”

The bible says, No man who believes in Him [who adheres to, relies on, and trusts in Him] will [ever] be put to shame or be disappointed.

12 [No one] for there is no distinction between Jew and Greek. The same Lord is Lord over all [of us] and He generously bestows His riches upon all who call upon Him [in faith].
13 For everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord [invoking Him as Lord] will be saved.
Romans 10:11–13

Also Noah preached to his neighbors and they had opportunity to climb aboard the ark and be saved. But they missed the opportunity of grace. They did not accept Gods gift that is available to all.

But by the free gift of God's grace all are put right with him through Christ Jesus, who sets them free. The good news is that God is gracious to save whoever repents of their wrong doing and places their trust in Him. By faith anyone may be forgiven and credited as righteous

Here is some food for thought.

Can the non-elect choose to believe in Christ? Some would say that only the elect can believe. They would say that the non-elect are unable to choose to believe.

Belief in individual election does not necessitate belief that the non-elect cannot trust in Christ. I happen to believe they can.

Jesus said, “If I be lifted up, I will draw all unto Me (John 12:32).” All most naturally refers to all people, each and every one–including the non-elect. In John 16:9-11 Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would convict the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment. That is the same world as in John 3:16. Christ died for all (John 3:16; 1 John 2:2) and all are being drawn by God to Him. God is drawing both the elect and the non-elect to Himself.

Election and the Gospel — Can Only the Elect Accept Christ? – Grace Evangelical Society

faithalone.org

 

[civic]

Here is some food for thought.

Can the non-elect choose to believe in Christ? Some would say that only the elect can believe. They would say that the non-elect are unable to choose to believe.

Belief in individual election does not necessitate belief that the non-elect cannot trust in Christ. I happen to believe they can.

Jesus said, “If I be lifted up, I will draw all unto Me (John 12:32).” All most naturally refers to all people, each and every one–including the non-elect. In John 16:9-11 Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would convict the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment. That is the same world as in John 3:16. Christ died for all (John 3:16; 1 John 2:2) and all are being drawn by God to Him. God is drawing both the elect and the non-elect to Himself.

Election and the Gospel — Can Only the Elect Accept Christ? – Grace Evangelical Society

faithalone.org

in Calvinism not even the elect can choose to believe. They are dead and can do nothing. Hence God must first make them alive to respond.

 

[brightfame52]

Yes, as detailed as was God’s plan for Noah’s ark—the wood, the pitch, the dimensions, the windows and doors as seen in Gen 6:14–21,
God also laid down the plans for the thirty-three-year life of his Son with much more care! In his premeditated mercy, God planned out every detail of the life of Jesus so as to provide us with a perfect Savior, with an ark that will not sink! And “whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed”

The bible says, No man who believes in Him [who adheres to, relies on, and trusts in Him] will [ever] be put to shame or be disappointed.

12 [No one] for there is no distinction between Jew and Greek. The same Lord is Lord over all [of us] and He generously bestows His riches upon all who call upon Him [in faith].
13 For everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord [invoking Him as Lord] will be saved.
Romans 10:11–13

Also Noah preached to his neighbors and they had opportunity to climb aboard the ark and be saved. But they missed the opportunity of grace. They did not accept Gods gift that is available to all.

But by the free gift of God's grace all are put right with him through Christ Jesus, who sets them free. The good news is that God is gracious to save whoever repents of their wrong doing and places their trust in Him. By faith anyone may be forgiven and credited as righteous

Thats man by nature,sohe needs grace before he can do anything spiritual, the Grace of the New Birth and New Heart

 

[brightfame52]

in Calvinism not even the elect can choose to believe. They are dead and can do nothing. Hence God must first make them alive to respond.

Now that's biblical and Gospel Truth because the elect believe by Grace which is the Grace of the Spirit in the New Birth Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
Matt Poole

To pass into Achaia; to Corinth, which was in Achaia.

The brethren wrote; who were at Ephesus.

Helped them much which had believed through grace; Apollos helped them much by his eloquence, zeal, and constancy, which all are the gifts of God; but, especially, that they believed was through grace; for faith is the gift of God, Ephesians 2:8, and it was given unto them to believe, Philippians 1:29.

John Gill

helped them much which had believed through grace; the phrase "through grace", is omitted in the Vulgate Latin version, but is in all the Greek copies, and may be connected either with the word "helped"; as the Syriac version, "he helped through grace"; and then the sense is, that Apollos, through the gifts of grace bestowed on him, or by the assistance of the grace of God, or both, greatly helped and contributed much to the advantage of the believers in those parts; as to the encouragement of their faith, and the increase of the joy of it; for the quickening, and comforting, and establishing them in the truths and doctrines of the Gospel, by his affectionate, fervent, and nervous way of preaching: or it may be connected with the word "believed", as it is in the Arabic version and in ours; and the meaning is, that he greatly assisted such who were already believers; and who became so, not of themselves, but through the grace of God; for faith is not of nature, nor the produce of man's free will, but is the gift of God's grace; it is a fruit of electing grace, an instance of distinguishing grace, it is owing to efficacious grace, and comes along with effectual calling grace, through the word preached, the means of grace; and is supported and maintained by the grace of God; the Ethiopic version renders it, "he preached much to them, who believed in the grace of God"; that is, in the Gospel, the doctrine of the grace of God, which they had received and professed; or in the love and favour of God, they were rooted and grounded in, and persuaded of.

 

[brightfame52]

@Fool4Christ

Also Noah preached to his neighbors and they had opportunity to climb aboard the ark and be saved.

False, yes he preached to them, but they didnt have any opportunity to climb the ark and be saved. The ark was designed only for Noah and his family and the pairs of different animals Gen 6:5-22

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.

17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

And you had the audacity to tell that falsehood !

 

[Fool4Christ]

@Fool4Christ



False, yes he preached to them, but they didnt have any opportunity to climb the ark and be saved. The ark was designed only for Noah and his family and the pairs of different animals Gen 6:5-22




And you had the audacity to tell that falsehood !

The ark was designed only for Noah and his family and the pairs of different animals is not in the Bible.
And you had the audacity to tell that falsehood !

Actually, Noah didn't build the Ark for just his family but for anyone that wanted to enter the Ark and be saved from the impending flood.

 

[Bobby Walker]

@Fool4Christ

And you had the audacity to tell that falsehood !

So your not the only one spreading falsehoods? Who knew?

 

[brightfame52]

The ark was designed only for Noah and his family and the pairs of different animals is not in the Bible.
And you had the audacity to tell that falsehood !

Actually, Noah didn't build the Ark for just his family but for anyone that wanted to enter the Ark and be saved from the impending flood.

You still believe and promote a falsehood

 

[Fool4Christ]

Thats man by nature,sohe needs grace before he can do anything spiritual, the Grace of the New Birth and New Heart

Paul says we receive the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ. Someone said that faith is the channel through which the grace of God comes to us—and I agree.

 

[brightfame52]

Paul says we receive the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ. Someone said that faith is the channel through which the grace of God comes to us—and I agree.

A dead person can only receive something spiritually passively, because he is dead spiritually. After a dead person is spiritually raised from the dead, he then can receive the righteousness of God by faith, righteousness is then revealed/made known to Faith Rom 1:17

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22