The Gospel Of Salvation

[civic]

So you don't preach the true gospel because you reject it. Throughout the Bible “faith” coupled with God’s “grace” is essential for salvation. The I in TULIP stands for irresistible “grace”, what role does “faith” hold in Calvinism and why is it isolated from "grace"?

ditto

 

[brightfame52]

So you don't preach the true gospel because you reject it. Throughout the Bible “faith” coupled with God’s “grace” is essential for salvation. The I in TULIP stands for irresistible “grace”, what role does “faith” hold in Calvinism and why is it isolated from "grace"?

Again if you reject TULIP truths, you reject the Gospel, and one certainly doesnt preach what they reject. You want something to read on tulip ? or the Doctrines of grace . You can start by reading my thread:

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/calvinism-is-gospel.1934/

 

[Richard]

For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is God’s power for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. Romans 1:16

In the Bible, we read that salvation is the end, or goal, of faith. The same is true of the gospel. In Paul’s estimation, the greatest gift that the gospel affords a man is the salvation of his soul. God sent His Son into the world that the world might be saved through Him.

in the Calvinistic system, the gospel is not really offering salvation to any, since neither the elect nor the non-elect can accept the offer or meet its conditions. In fact, the “conditions” are not really conditions in the Calvinist system. They are part of the “package” of salvation-benefits given to the elect by virtue of the death of Christ for them.

Without realizing it, the Calvinist is finally saying that repentance and faith (as the gift of God in the salvation “package”) are being offered to all who will repent and believe, when in fact none can do so. This reduces to pure tautology and is no offer at all.

 

[brightfame52]

@Richard

For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is God’s power for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. Romans 1:16

But aren't you ashamed of TULIP the Gospel ?

 

[Richard]

@Richard



But aren't you ashamed of TULIP the Gospel ?

No, as I do not hold to it. It's a false man made gospel. Calvinists alter Christ’s gospel.

“In fact, it is not another gospel but there are some who are disturbing you and wanting to alter the gospel of Christ”—Galatians 1:7

Paul clarifies that the so-called gospel is no gospel at all. So why would I be ashamed? I Belong to Jesus and I adhere to the one true gospel.

 

[dwight92070]

The world in John 3:16 is the church of Ephesians 5:25

Actually no, "the world" in John 3:16 is the entire world, past, present, and future - so is the word "whoever".

 

[dwight92070]

Yeah John 10 shows exclusively who Christ died for and Romans 5:7-10 that's the sheep of John 10 in fact the whole chapter of Romans 5 is about the elect

You really have to twist the English language to justify believing in Calvinism - of course, that's exactly what Calvin did.

 

[brightfame52]

@Richard

No, as I do not hold to it. It's a false man made gospel. Calvinists alter Christ’s gospel.

Well see to me you ashamed of the Gospel, even calling it man made.!

 

[brightfame52]

Actually no, "the world" in John 3:16 is the entire world, past, present, and future - so is the word "whoever".

Its the entire Church of all generations

 

[brightfame52]

You really have to twist the English language to justify believing in Calvinism - of course, that's exactly what Calvin did.

Nothing is twisted, Tulip is the Gospel, the Doctrines of Grace

 

[dwight92070]

So Brightfame52, how do you know that you, yourself, are included in God's elect? What instruction does the Bible give so that you know that you are part of God's elect? If there's no way of knowing, then you could be doomed to hell? What about your wife, assuming you are married? How can you be sure that she will join you for eternity with God's elect? How about your children, if you have them? Are they part of God's elect? Maybe they are doomed to hell. What scripture would show you how to identify the elect and the non-elect?

Also, why are you even on this forum? If God has already predetermined who are the elect and who will spend eternity in hell, what in the world are you trying to accomplish here? The ONLY thing that you are accomplishing here is telling us: "Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, I'm saved, but all of you are lost forever." Does that bring you pleasure? You do seem quite smug in your attitude.

In fact, if God predetermined which of us are saved and which of us are doomed, they why would He even give us a Bible? Is it just so He can delight in telling people that they are doomed to hell for all eternity? Because there's nothing we can do about it.

In other words, if you really believed what you preach, then you're wasting your time. All your doing here is harassing us. You're not helping us in any way.

 

[dwight92070]

Its the entire Church of all generations

There's no scripture that ever equates the world and the church. In fact, He chose us out of the world.

 

[Richard]

@Richard



Well see to me you ashamed of the Gospel, even calling it man made.!

Then you see poorly, try some new corrective lens.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Its a matter of spiritual things,nothing to do with ethnicity in spiritual things. For instance Christ the High Priest in Heaven per Heb 8:1

Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

He is the same High Priest to the Church Rom 8:34

Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

The assembly at Rome was comprised of many Gentile believers, so Jesus is their High Priest at the Right Hand of God

The moment God chose Abram the Hebrew and commanded circumcision, and it was done is when ethnicity began, and distinction was made by God between Hebrew and non-Hebrew Gentile.
And that's what it all comes down to.

God never made covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles, so they are all outside the salvation of God.
Jesus was sent to ONLY the lost sheep of the House of Israel.
He was a Jew sent to redeem the Jews. There's nothing wrong with that.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.


That's the bottom line. It's their covenant. Unless you have a Jewish parent somewhere in your ancestry you are out of luck. How many passages of Scripture will you reject that say this very thing. Jesus came to redeem those who are of Abraham's seed.

 

[civic]

Actually no, "the world" in John 3:16 is the entire world, past, present, and future - so is the word "whoever".

ditto its all inclusive, not exclusive as he believes.

 

[brightfame52]

There's no scripture that ever equates the world and the church. In fact, He chose us out of the world.

There is no scripture for you

 

[brightfame52]

Then you see poorly, try some new corrective lens.

Oh no, Tulip Truths are the Gospel of Gods Grace

 

[civic]

Oh no, Tulip Truths are the Gospel of Gods Grace

oh no it is a manmade theology not based on scripture or the gospel.

 

[brightfame52]

The moment God chose Abram the Hebrew and commanded circumcision, and it was done is when ethnicity began, and distinction was made by God between Hebrew and non-Hebrew Gentile.
And that's what it all comes down to.

God never made covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles, so they are all outside the salvation of God.
Jesus was sent to ONLY the lost sheep of the House of Israel.
He was a Jew sent to redeem the Jews. There's nothing wrong with that.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.


That's the bottom line. It's their covenant. Unless you have a Jewish parent somewhere in your ancestry you are out of luck. How many passages of Scripture will you reject that say this very thing. Jesus came to redeem those who are of Abraham's seed.

Nothing about Salvation depends on ethnicity, you are following jewish fables and are deceived like the jews and pharisees, who prided their acceptance with God on ethnicity and circumcision.

 

[brightfame52]

oh no it is a manmade theology not based on scripture or the gospel.

There u go calling the Grace Gospel man made