brightfame52
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There's a spiritual seed, born of God
The faith of Jesus Christ versus the faith of man
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brightfame52
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Ain't no ifs about it it was a mystery
brightfame52
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No I'm not I'm giving you a scripture basis for what I'm saying
civic
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Was He a person prior to becoming a man ? If so who ?
@Jim
Wrong, so wrong Jim. Jesus was a man just like you and me, except God was his Father, thereby he was holy from conception until his death on the cross. His faith in God was from his human nature being the second Adam, doing for his posterity what Adam failed to do for his. Jesus' Deity as God, did not need to have faith nor yield obedience to God since it was impossible for his deity to be tempted to sin, since that nature hated iniquity and loved righteousness We must keep Jesus' two natures separated, and know the power of one, and the limitation of the other.
@civic
He was God, who is a Spirit, by being one with God in his deity, He was in God's bosom from the beginning.
civic
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So there was only one single person known as God before creation ?
Yes, Jesus was a man just like you and me physically with all the physical limits of man. His Spirit was the Word. How else could it be said that He took on the flesh and blood of man (John 1:14; Heb 2:14)?
@civic
Not was but IS IN the bosom of the Father. Jesus Christ is God in his Deity as ONE ETERNAL DIVINE NATURE, with no beginning, and no end, eternal both ways.
How do you understand this verse that's closely connected with John 1:1, 18, etc.
civic, let me ask you a question, or two: Who is called the everlasting Father in the scriptures? Who created all things? What does it mean to be called the everlasting Father?
Follow and listen carefully please:
John 1:1
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”John 1:18
“No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”Not was but IS IN the bosom of the Father. Jesus Christ is God in his Deity as ONE ETERNAL DIVINE NATURE, with no beginning, and no end, eternal both ways.
How do you understand this verse that's closely connected with John 1:1, 18, etc.
John 3:13
“And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”civic, let me ask you a question, or two: Who is called the everlasting Father in the scriptures? Who created all things? What does it mean to be called the everlasting Father?
civic
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You did not answer my question with a yes or no
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jeremiah1five
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Yes, but the Abraham Covenant and the Mosaic Covenant and the New Covenant is between God and Abraham and his biological seed; between God and the children of Israel; and God and the House of Israel and the House of Judah, respectively.
jeremiah1five
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The New Covenant was no mystery. It is clearly described and recorded in Jeremiah 31:31-34 and the parties of that covenant are named and there are no Gentiles included in this covenant. There's nothing mysterious or hidden about it. It's clearly there in Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Israel know about the covenants between her and her God.
@civic
I also asked you a couple of questions to allow you to better give witness/support from the scriptures, to your understanding.
I did better, I explained my answer to you.
I also asked you a couple of questions to allow you to better give witness/support from the scriptures, to your understanding.
Jesus was/is God. They were his promises. You don't understand very well who Jesus really was/is. Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
jeremiah1five
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The mystery Saul mentions in his letters is "Christ IN YOU."
Ezekiel and Jeremiah are clear on this point.
You are misinterpreting Saul for he was a rabbi and Pharisee and would NEVER teach Gentiles to follow the Law let alone to circumcise any Gentile. The Jews would have been up in arms and there would be riots in Jerusalem and the outlying areas, and Saul would be attacked and possibly killed/stoned.
But none of that exists in the epistles. No Jew would ever seek to circumcise a non-Hebrew Gentile and try to insert them in the Hebrew covenants. Jews knew Gentiles were never included ion any of the three Hebrew covenants (Abrahamic, Mosaic, and New.)
Jesus came to fulfill the Law NOT change it, for any change would effectively destroy the Law. Not even God could change His promises for every Jew and Hebrew of the seed of Abraham know their history. It is recorded in the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets. ALL 39 "books" of the 'Old Testament.'
There is NOTHING in the Law and the Prophets that says God made covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles.
You are adding to the Bible and making Jesus Christ and His apostles out as liars and sinners.
I'll wait.
And you are wiping out the entire New Testament.
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