The faith of Jesus Christ versus the faith of man
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Who says I cannot acknowledge what and who God is to Jesus?
civic
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Wow denying the Deity of Christ
brightfame52
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brightfame52
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False accusations
jeremiah1five
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So, the New Covenant writings of Saul, Peter, James, John, etc., are not authored by Jewish men?
Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John for instance were all Jews.
And yes, I am aware of the Gentile theology that comes from textbooks that Luke was Gentile. Completely preposterous. God's Pearl - His Word - was given to Israel not to swine. God's love was also given to Israel as He Himself had instructed in Leviticus 19. Not even God gives that which is Holy (Himself) to dogs (Gentiles.)
He is the Husbandman and Israel is His Bride. What's it called when a married man gives his marital love to another woman not his bride? That's right. It's called adultery. And Jesus is NOT an adulterer. He loves Israel as His Bride and there will come a day and time when Israel will consecrate herself to that union.
jeremiah1five
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God is betrothed to Israel. Israel is His Bride and His Church ("ekklesias" = "called out [ones]) whom He called out of Egypt as He declares many times in the Hebrew Scriptures. Love is not supposed to boast, right? How many times does God who is love to boast about delivering His people with a mighty arm?
8 And the LORD brought us forth out of Egypt with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with great terribleness, and with signs, and with wonders: Deuteronomy 26:8.
Deuteronomy 4:34, Deuteronomy 5:15, Deuteronomy 7:19, Deuteronomy 11:2, Psalm 136:12, and Jeremiah 32:21.
Wow! How many times does God make that declaration? What a boast! And still very true.
jeremiah1five
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There are no Gentiles in the House of Israel. The House of Israel consists of ten Hebrew tribes.
Jeremiah is clear. He mentions the twelve tribes of Israel. Ten northern kingdom tribes, and two southern kingdom tribes and NO GENTILES.
jeremiah1five
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Again, Jeremiah states who the parties are in the New Covenant: Israel and Judah. Both kingdoms and all Hebrew.
You add to the Bible. There are no Gentiles in God's covenant with Abraham and his seed.
Is Jesus God?
National Israel does not even exist anymore. The only theological Israel that exists is spiritual Israel. You need to read and study Romans 11, particularly verses 25-36. The "Israel" that is the Bride of Christ is all believers, all who are in Christ. There are no bloodline limitations in Christ's Israel.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
I am not sure that the view that you have presented above that the Bride of Christ is physical Israel, wherein Gentiles are absent, is consistent with the rules of this forum. This is after all a Christian based forum. I think you need to be very careful.
Victoria
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Ishi = Husband
Baali = Baal
Baali = Baal
"Therefore, behold, I will allure her [aka Israel], and bring her into the wilderness [Revelation 12], and speak comfortably unto her. And I will give her her vineyards from thence, and the valley of Achor for a door of hope: and she shall sing there, as in the days of her youth, and as in the day when she came up out of the land of Egypt. And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, that thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali." Hosea 2:14-16
Hephzibah = for the LORD delighteth in thee.
Beulah = thy land shall be married.
Beulah = thy land shall be married.
"For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name. Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the LORD, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God. Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married."
Isaiah 62:1-4
Promise of Restoration
Ezekiel 11:16-20; Amos 9:11-15
Israel to Be Renewed for "His" Name's Sake [NOT Theirs]
Ezekiel 36:22-28
A New Covenant
Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:8-12
New Heavens and a New Earth
Isaiah 65:17-25; 2 Peter 3:10-16; Revelation 21
Replacement Theology: What It Is and Why It Matters for Christians
There are too many people who mouth the words that Jesus is divine, that Jesus is God, but then fail to acknowledge what that really means. I would argue that anyone who declares that Jesus had faith or that Jesus "believed" in God or speaks of the faith OF Jesus has a very diminished and contracted concept what John states at the very beginning of his Gospel really means, namely that
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
When Jesus took on the flesh and blood of a human being, the mind of Christ was not diminished.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
When Jesus took on the flesh and blood of a human being, the mind of Christ was not diminished.
All of that is tied up in the "mystery" that Paul spoke of in Ephesians 3:1-6. I won't bother now to go any further with that other than to quote verses 5 and 6, all of which must be taken into account in understanding the passages of scripture you posted above.
"(the mystery of Christ) which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit. This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel".
My point is not to debate that mystery, but rather to emphasize what it means the Jesus was and is God.
Victoria
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The revelation of the mystery has to do w/ a body, not a nation. One has a heavenly inheritance (the BoC), the other an earthly inheritance (born again Israel, as a nation).
Romans 11 is where Paul stresses that God has not cast His people, Israel as a nation, away. If Replacement Theology is true,
than it makes God a liar, a covenant breaker, unfaithful, & untrue.
Paul also reveals in that mystery that there will be a new administration in the heavens = the Body of Christ.
Amen! Jesus Christ was God Almighty manifest in the flesh
As I said, I do not want to debate the question of "replacement theology" in this thread.The revelation of the mystery has to do w/ a body, not a nation. One has a heavenly inheritance (the BoC), the other an earthly inheritance (born again Israel, as a nation).
Romans 11 is where Paul stresses that God has not cast His people, Israel as a nation, away. If Replacement Theology is true,
than it makes God a liar, a covenant breaker, unfaithful, & untrue.
Paul also reveals in that mystery that there will be a new administration in the heavens = the Body of Christ.
Amen! Jesus Christ was God Almighty manifest in the flesh
As I said, I am not going to debate it. But I will state that you are wrong. If you wish to take it further, then start a new topic.
@Jim @brightfame52
Jim you refuse to acknowledge and separate the two natures of Jesus, his Divinity and his humanity, and as long as you continue in this error, you will continue to reject the true biblical teaching that as a man Christ secured the redemption of God's elect by being their surety, by being made in the likeness of sinful flesh for the payment of sin, to condemned sin in flesh by his perfect faith and obedience in the stead of God's elect.
Actually Jim, Calvin and probably Augustine (have not read enough on Augustine's teachings from his own writings) would agree with you on this issue more than they would that Jesus' faith and obedience is the means of our "free" justification, both were good men no doubt, yes confused on this point.
Jim you refuse to acknowledge and separate the two natures of Jesus, his Divinity and his humanity, and as long as you continue in this error, you will continue to reject the true biblical teaching that as a man Christ secured the redemption of God's elect by being their surety, by being made in the likeness of sinful flesh for the payment of sin, to condemned sin in flesh by his perfect faith and obedience in the stead of God's elect.
@Victoria
Start a thread on this~As I have said I do not believe in the replacement theory, since since the NT revelation of the church (there was a church in the OT btw, yet they had not yet received the king of the kingdom of God as the NT church has and even we are still awaiting for the full and final manifestation of the kingdom in the new earth and heaven) is not a after thought of God's eternal purposes, but a continually unfolding of the mystery hidden from the foundation of the world, but now being revealed unto God's people under the revelation of the unfolding of the everlasting gospel of Jesus Christ in the NT, explained to us by apostles, who were JEWS by nature. What better source to draw from and to believe than Paul, Peter and John.
The church of the OT and the church under the new testament are ONE BODY, with Abraham being our father more so than he is to a natural Jews who is not born again. We shall sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of God as one family of an elect generation of people who belong to Jesus Christ.
Start a thread on this subject. I'm leaving for Georgia, be back in a few days.
Greetings Victoria,
Start a thread on this~As I have said I do not believe in the replacement theory, since since the NT revelation of the church (there was a church in the OT btw, yet they had not yet received the king of the kingdom of God as the NT church has and even we are still awaiting for the full and final manifestation of the kingdom in the new earth and heaven) is not a after thought of God's eternal purposes, but a continually unfolding of the mystery hidden from the foundation of the world, but now being revealed unto God's people under the revelation of the unfolding of the everlasting gospel of Jesus Christ in the NT, explained to us by apostles, who were JEWS by nature. What better source to draw from and to believe than Paul, Peter and John.
The church of the OT and the church under the new testament are ONE BODY, with Abraham being our father more so than he is to a natural Jews who is not born again. We shall sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of God as one family of an elect generation of people who belong to Jesus Christ.
Start a thread on this subject. I'm leaving for Georgia, be back in a few days.
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