The faith of Jesus Christ versus the faith of man

[MTMattie]

Our brother, @Red Baker , wrote the following quite a while back in another forum. I ran across it and with his permission am posting for ideas, comments, or debate on this view. Both participants in the first thread know I am posting here. One user name redacted.

It is a back and forth of ideas... but not any that I have read here.

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Quote from:Red Baker,"You hang your hat on the precept of faith OF Jesus; yet you seem not able to define what that could possibly be. The writer of Hebrews defined faith in Chapter 11 and presented us with examples of some of faith of some of the key biblical characters. There was Abel, Enoch, Noah, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Joshua, Rahab, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel, the prophets, and of course one of Paul's favorite, i.e., Abraham. We read there that all these were commended, i.e., obtained a good report, through their faith.

Guess who is not mentioned in all of that Chapter as having faith. We read not a single word about the faith OF Jesus in that entire chapter. If, as you insist, our salvation rests upon the faith of Jesus, certainly Hebrews of all the books in the NT, would have said something about the faith of Jesus. Jesus occupies the central theme in Hebrews. The great subject of the book is Jesus Christ. And yet for all of that, not one thing is ever said about Jesus having or needing faith. That is because the very idea that Jesus needed to have faith in God is simply ludicrous.

All those spoken of in Hebrews 11 were mentioned because of their faith in God. But Jesus isn't one of them. Why? Simple! Jesus did not need to have faith in God, He was God in the flesh. He is the "author and finisher of our faith" (Heb 12:2). Jesus is the subject of our faith. It is that faith, faith IN Jesus, whereby we are saved. (KJV)Gen 15:6 And he [Abraham] believed in the LORD; and he [God] counted it to him for righteousness. It was Abraham's faith that was counted to him for righteousness. It is our faith, our believing, in God, in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, that is counted to us for righteousness; counted to us for righteousness, i.e., justified, i.e, saved.

John tells us that he wrote his gospel "so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name" (John 20:31)

It is by believing, by having faith, that we have eternal life. It is our believing; it is our faith.

Quote from: _______s Reply by Red Baker, You hang your hat on the precept of faith OF Jesus; yet you seem not able to define what that could possibly be.

That's your take on my many posts on this phrase~"The faith of Jesus Christ." I'm convinced I have made it very clear as to what it means~ it is not understood by many, maybe most, since men have heard so many times over that it is "our" faith which justified us legally before God's law, which to any unbiased person, who can think for themselves and outside of the box of the many false religions in Mystery Babylon they should be able to reason within the parameter's of God's testimony to us......the holy scriptures that the obedience/faith and righteousness of Jesus Christ is the only material cause of God's mercy to us in making us the righteousness of God, which gives us the right to eternal life.

The efficient cause of man's redemption is God's good pleasure and there can be no other cause. The final cause of man's salvation from sin and condemnation is to the praise and glory of God's grace....See Ephesians chapter one where Paul clearly reveals these truths to us.

That being said the only way these truths can be maintained in their purity is to proclaim Jesus' faith and obedience as the Son of Man for the remission of our sins and the manner in which man receives the righteousness of God and the manner in which man in the flesh can live and please God. God declares this truth powerfully when he said:

Quote from: PaulGalatians 2:20,21~"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."

Jesus' very birth~he had to be virgin born~he had to be God's Son, not Adam's...that within itself should speak volumes to you to prove to you that ALL FLESH is sinful as it comes from Adam's posterity....the life and death of Jesus Christ declares a gospel where Jesus' obedience/faith and righteousness is the only works that God accepts for the forgiveness of our sins, all others are wicked and sinful and are at enmity against God. All other gospels are another gospel, which in truth is not gospel (good news) but a system that leaves man without hope by causing him to trust in himself other than 100% in Jesus Christ.

Quote from: _____s Reply The writer of Hebrews defined faith in Chapter 11 and presented us with examples of some of faith of some of the key biblical characters. There was Abel, Enoch, Noah, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Joshua, Rahab, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel, the prophets, and of course one of Paul's favorite, i.e., Abraham. We read there that all these were commended, i.e., obtained a good report, through their faith.

I'm doing this one point at a time, so please wait until I'm finished before commenting on this thread, Your time will come, be patient, I know that's hard for you.

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