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ERROR, scripture, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" and
ONE: H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258
note definition #2. ... do you know and UNDERSTAND what definition #2 is saying?
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The YHWH our ELOHIM is ECHAD YHWH
civic
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No worries I believe all 3 Persons are Eternal without beginning.
Complete
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Hello there,
Our understanding must bow and our spirit worship, for nothing we can say will ever do justice to this subject.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
101G
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GINOLJC, to all
ok, "The YHWH our ELOHIM is ECHAD YHWH", but do you understand how "ELOHIM" is in the plurality of the ECHAD as YHWH?
question, "is YHWH a separate and distinct induvial(s) of himself, or the EQUAL SHARE of himself in Ordinal degenerations of TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK, as the definition states?".
ECHAD: H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258
Notice your use of definition #1. ... as a united one as two or three persons. but watch how the bible confirms 101G used of definition 2. (as an ordinal) first. scripture. Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
this term "Beginning" describe, and support 101G use of ECHAD/ONE for God here in Genesis 1 as well as God that is found in Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" and else where in the bible.
BEGINNING: H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218
there is the conformation of God as the ECHAD of himself as the "FIRST" in Ordinal Designation of TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK. These definitions confirm 101G use of ECHAD.
REVELATION: God is the ECHAD/Ordinal Designation of his OWNSELF in the ORDER of First and Last in TIME, PLACE, and RANK, which means Jesus is "First"/Spirit/LORD/Father/Alpha/Beginning/Root and "Last"/spirit/Lord/Son/Omega/Offspring, as his own-self, EQUAL SHARE in flesh that which was to come.
101G.
Adam and Eve were two different people yet they became one(echad) flesh.
Are you saying there is no Trinity?
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101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
Yes, likewise God, his apostles, and all his disciples. all are saying the same thing... "THERE IS NO TRINITY".
101G.
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ERROR, Adam or the Adam(s) are not two different peoples, nor are they two different flesh or blood. their Gender are different. Eve is a man ... MANKIND as Adam, for she is ADAM also in name. supportive scripture, Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;" Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created." and the woman received the .... PERSONAL NAME "Eve" after she sinned.
secondly, there is only ONE FLESH, for Eve was taken out of Adam..... God did not get more dust of the earth to make the woman. they are one flesh from the beginning. LISTEN CAREFULLY, of spiritly, they are ECHAD in that respect. but flesh and blood are the same.
Please read your bible carefully before you ignorantly respond.
101G.
101G
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@shepherdsword,
please understand what ECHAD concerning God means, both in Hebrew and Greek.
Hebrew: Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
ONE: H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258
see definition #2.... to understand this ONE as a Plurality or ECHAD, let's go to Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." This term Beginning will show, understand and agree with the term ONE for God in Deuteronomy 6:4.
Beginning:
H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218
definition #1 gives us the clear understanding of "ONE" in place, time, order or rank meaning in "ORDINAL DESIGNATION". Oh how clear the bible is.
101G.
please understand what ECHAD concerning God means, both in Hebrew and Greek.
Hebrew: Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
ONE: H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258
see definition #2.... to understand this ONE as a Plurality or ECHAD, let's go to Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." This term Beginning will show, understand and agree with the term ONE for God in Deuteronomy 6:4.
Beginning:
H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218
definition #1 gives us the clear understanding of "ONE" in place, time, order or rank meaning in "ORDINAL DESIGNATION". Oh how clear the bible is.
101G.
You left out PROPERLY,UNITED
Thus it means a unity of one out of plurality. Claiming that Adam and Eve are the same is a failure to understand what happens at marriage. It is not limited to Adam and Eve. The Hebrew also points to a future unity as in , they "shall be" one flesh.
101G
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ERROR, ERROR, ERROR, your paints are on fire.
LISTEN, H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258
again definition #2. is the ANSWER. if you go with definition #1... then you have TWO GODS, because united means, joined, and you have two or more Gods before you unite. so that polytheism at it's best.
you have no clue what an Ordinal is in TIME, PLACE, ORDER and RANK DO YOU?
101g
You don't make any sense. Adam and Eve BECAME one flesh when they were married. This show one out of plurality. The very fact that God had to proclaim He is one (ECHAD) proves there is a plurality in the Godhead. However, if you want to be ignorant then be ignorant. You still have to deal with this verse denoting multiple YHVHs
Ge 19:24
Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven;
101G
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you make no sense. Was they not ONE Flesh before they were married? .... now tell us how they were one flesh before they were married? you have the floor.
101G.
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He makes perfect sense of scripture not the oneness nonsense of scripture
101G
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well the same question to you.... "Was the man and the woman "ONE" flesh before they were married? yes or no.
101G.
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To all,
The title Son, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?" Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." Isaiah 53:3 "He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not." Isaiah 53:4 "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted."
is this not God's OWN ARM? yes, and if he's God own ARM how can he be his son as a separate and distinct person?
supportive scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."
101G.
The title Son, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?" Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." Isaiah 53:3 "He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not." Isaiah 53:4 "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted."
is this not God's OWN ARM? yes, and if he's God own ARM how can he be his son as a separate and distinct person?
supportive scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."
101G.
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