The Eternal Son

[FreeInChrist]

Instead of making up a confusing unBiblical doctrine, we could simply accept what Gabriel told Mary in Luke 1:35, giving us the true reason whey Jesus, at birth, was called the Son of God. Nothing like that had ever happened before, so we know that He was not the Son of God until He was born. References to "the Son" before His birth appear as prophecies foretelling His birth.

So you have your very own list... read the links at YOUR leisure but content is noted below each.

This in bot unbiblical doctrine... unless you are an anti-Trin and frankly I have lost count of who is and who is not.

You do not understand because you chose not to check it out.... Now you have a chance.

What is the doctrine of eternal generation and is it biblical? | GotQuestions.org

What is the doctrine of eternal generation and is it biblical? Is God the Father eternally generating God the Son?

www.gotquestions.org

The doctrine of eternal generation harkens back to the early stages of the Christian church.

What is the concept of Eternal Generation?

It arises directly from scriptural statements about the Son's unique nature and is rooted in the early Church's firm refusal to make the Son merely a creature. Properly understood, Eternal Generation guards the unity of the one divine essence, honors the distinctive Persons of the Trinity

What Is Eternal Generation? | Tabletalk

One of the most essential doctrines for a Christian understanding of the Trinity is eternal generation. When the equality of the Son with the Father was thrown into question in the fourth century, the church fathers turned to the doctrine of eternal generation.

tabletalkmagazine.com

One of the most essential doctrines for a Christian understanding of the Trinity is eternal generation. When the equality of the Son with the Father was thrown into question in the fourth century, the church fathers turned to the doctrine of eternal generation.

Eternal generation of the Son - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The eternal generation of the Son is a Trinitarian doctrine, which is defined as a necessary and eternal act of God the Father, in which he generates (or begets) God the Son through communicating the whole divine essence to the Son.
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/is-the-eternal-generation-of-the-son-a-biblical-idea/
As a thought experiment, I decided to examine the evidence for eternal generation in the writings of one of the most important trinitarian theologians in the early church—-Augustine of Hippo (354-430).
As I explored his discussion, I discovered that Augustine’s case for eternal generation does not depend on the mistranslation of monogenes but is deeply rooted in the way Scripture portrays the relation of the Son to the Father. I was surprised by the breadth of biblical evidence Augustine marshaled. Although one might assume that Augustine’s commitment to eternal generation is merely rooted in a handful of dubious “proof texts,” nothing could be further from the truth. This doctrine is rooted in a rigorous and comprehensive Trinitarian hermeneutic.

Forever and Always the Son: Why We Treasure Eternal Generation

What does it mean that the Son of God was “eternally begotten,” and why is eternal generation massively important for Christians?

www.desiringgod.org

Eternal generation means we don't bring all our ideas about sonship and apply them to him; we learn from the eternally begotten one what he means by calling himself the Son of God. Why This Is Important How important is eternal generation? Its fundamental value is that it tells the truth

The Eternal Generation of the Son - Is it Biblical?

Eternal Generation explains "begotten" in such a way that the Son is co-equal and co-eternal with the Father.

revelationbyjesuschrist.com

Eternal Generation explains "begotten" in such a way that the Son is co-equal and co-eternal with the Father.

What is the Doctrine of Eternal Generation? - Phoenix Seminary

The doctrine of the Trinity can be an intimidating one for Christians. At the same time, it is a teaching that brings extraordinary riches to the Christian life. It helps us to know and worship God truly, and it helps us to understand who we are as those united to Christ by…

ps.edu

Eternal generation is a teaching that might seem unfamiliar at first, but many Christians are already accustomed to speaking about it through reciting the Nicene Creed. The second article of the Creed speaks about the Son’s eternal generation by using the language of “begetting”: the Lord Jesus Christ is “the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.”

Begotten of the Father before All Ages: The Biblical Basis of Eternal Generation according to the Church Fathers - Christian Research Institute

www.equip.org

the church fathers appealed to the scriptural teaching that the Son is not a creature external to God but is the eternal offspring of the Father and proper to the very essence of God.

Trinity and Eternal Generation: Survey and Discussion - Think In Christ

Following the previous article on the limitations of theology, we look at a more specific issue here, concerning the tri-unity of God and eternal generation. The central question is: whether eternal generation is essential to the biblical teaching on the tri-unity of God? Is eternal generation...

thinkinchrist.org

"Eternal generation" aims to explain what "eternal sonship" means, or how "eternal sonship" comes about.

 

[DavidTree]

So you have your very own list... read the links at YOUR leisure but content is noted below each.

This in bot unbiblical doctrine... unless you are an anti-Trin and frankly I have lost count of who is and who is not.

You do not understand because you chose not to check it out.... Now you have a chance.

What is the doctrine of eternal generation and is it biblical? | GotQuestions.org

What is the doctrine of eternal generation and is it biblical? Is God the Father eternally generating God the Son?

www.gotquestions.org

The doctrine of eternal generation harkens back to the early stages of the Christian church.

What is the concept of Eternal Generation?

It arises directly from scriptural statements about the Son's unique nature and is rooted in the early Church's firm refusal to make the Son merely a creature. Properly understood, Eternal Generation guards the unity of the one divine essence, honors the distinctive Persons of the Trinity

What Is Eternal Generation? | Tabletalk

One of the most essential doctrines for a Christian understanding of the Trinity is eternal generation. When the equality of the Son with the Father was thrown into question in the fourth century, the church fathers turned to the doctrine of eternal generation.

tabletalkmagazine.com

One of the most essential doctrines for a Christian understanding of the Trinity is eternal generation. When the equality of the Son with the Father was thrown into question in the fourth century, the church fathers turned to the doctrine of eternal generation.

Eternal generation of the Son - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The eternal generation of the Son is a Trinitarian doctrine, which is defined as a necessary and eternal act of God the Father, in which he generates (or begets) God the Son through communicating the whole divine essence to the Son.
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/is-the-eternal-generation-of-the-son-a-biblical-idea/
As a thought experiment, I decided to examine the evidence for eternal generation in the writings of one of the most important trinitarian theologians in the early church—-Augustine of Hippo (354-430).
As I explored his discussion, I discovered that Augustine’s case for eternal generation does not depend on the mistranslation of monogenes but is deeply rooted in the way Scripture portrays the relation of the Son to the Father. I was surprised by the breadth of biblical evidence Augustine marshaled. Although one might assume that Augustine’s commitment to eternal generation is merely rooted in a handful of dubious “proof texts,” nothing could be further from the truth. This doctrine is rooted in a rigorous and comprehensive Trinitarian hermeneutic.

Forever and Always the Son: Why We Treasure Eternal Generation

What does it mean that the Son of God was “eternally begotten,” and why is eternal generation massively important for Christians?

www.desiringgod.org

Eternal generation means we don't bring all our ideas about sonship and apply them to him; we learn from the eternally begotten one what he means by calling himself the Son of God. Why This Is Important How important is eternal generation? Its fundamental value is that it tells the truth

The Eternal Generation of the Son - Is it Biblical?

Eternal Generation explains "begotten" in such a way that the Son is co-equal and co-eternal with the Father.

revelationbyjesuschrist.com

Eternal Generation explains "begotten" in such a way that the Son is co-equal and co-eternal with the Father.

What is the Doctrine of Eternal Generation? - Phoenix Seminary

The doctrine of the Trinity can be an intimidating one for Christians. At the same time, it is a teaching that brings extraordinary riches to the Christian life. It helps us to know and worship God truly, and it helps us to understand who we are as those united to Christ by…

ps.edu

Eternal generation is a teaching that might seem unfamiliar at first, but many Christians are already accustomed to speaking about it through reciting the Nicene Creed. The second article of the Creed speaks about the Son’s eternal generation by using the language of “begetting”: the Lord Jesus Christ is “the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.”

Begotten of the Father before All Ages: The Biblical Basis of Eternal Generation according to the Church Fathers - Christian Research Institute

www.equip.org

the church fathers appealed to the scriptural teaching that the Son is not a creature external to God but is the eternal offspring of the Father and proper to the very essence of God.

Trinity and Eternal Generation: Survey and Discussion - Think In Christ

Following the previous article on the limitations of theology, we look at a more specific issue here, concerning the tri-unity of God and eternal generation. The central question is: whether eternal generation is essential to the biblical teaching on the tri-unity of God? Is eternal generation...

thinkinchrist.org

"Eternal generation" aims to explain what "eternal sonship" means, or how "eternal sonship" comes about.

3rd Time Asking

Speak from You and the scriptures on this question = Who are "these two persons" ???

 

[civic]

"he is all of them" is Modalism = One person who can change Mode from Father to Son to Holy Spirit

JESUS is not "all three of Them"

Who are the "two persons" that you posted???

There is an Eternal Father, Son, Holy Spirit . There was never a time when the 3 Divine Persons were not. They are not each other but have the same divine nature, substance, essence, being shared between Tgem as the One God who is Tri-Personal.

hope this helps !!!

 

[DavidTree]

There is an Eternal Father, Son, Holy Spirit . There was never a time when the 3 Divine Persons were not. They are not each other but have the same divine nature, substance, essence, being shared between Tgem as the One God who is Tri-Personal.

hope this helps !!!

Where is @FreeInChrist ???

@FreeInChrist, you estimated that Jesus Christ is "two persons"

 

[FreeInChrist]

Who are the "two persons" that you posted???

#419 tells you.

I have to cut off God's definitions of his names because it makes this post too long. Sorry Heavenly Father........


I TOLD you.
#1 is.
That would be the first in the Trinity. Many call him God, or God the Father, or YHWH, or YAHVEH, or Jehovah, or Heavenly Father
any one of the following 32 names for God ( with their meaning) Which is why I said to just say The God.
HE IS KNOWN BY ALL OF THESE. HE IS THE FIRST IN THE GODHEAD.

EL​

ELOHIM​

EL SHADDAI​

ADONAI​

YAHWEH or Jehovah​

YAHWEH-JIREH​

YAHWEH-ROPHE ​

YAHWEH-NISSI​

YAHWEH-M’KADDESH​

YAHWEH-SHALOM​

YAHWEH ELOHIM:​

YAHWEH-TSIDKENU​

YAHWEH-ROHI​

YAHWEH-SHAMMAH​

YAHWEH-SABAOTH​

EL ELYON​

ABHIR​

KADOSH​

SHAPHAT​

EL ROI​

KANNA​

PALET​

YESHA​

GAOL​

MAGEN​

EYALUTH​

TSADDIQ​

EL-OLAM​

EL-BERITH​

EL-GIBHOR​

ZUR​

MELEKH


#2 is
NOW THE 2ND IN THE GODHEAD IS THE ONE WHO WITH THE FIRST SHARES THE ESSENCE AND SUBSTANCE

That is Jesus, or Christ Jesus, or Jesus Christ, or Jesus the Christ, or Savior, or Son of God, or God's Son, or The Wrod.

and all 50 more below.

ADAM: (1 Corinthians 15:45) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

ADVOCATE: (1 John 2:1) My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

ALMIGHTY: (Revelation 1:8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

ALPHA AND OMEGA: (Revelation 1:8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

AMEN: (Revelation 3:14) And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

APOSTLE OF OUR PROFESSION: (Hebrews 3:1) Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

ARM OF THE LORD: (Isaiah 51:9) Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the dragon?

(Isaiah 53:1) Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH: (Hebrews 12:2) Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

AUTHOR OF ETERNAL SALVATION: (Hebrews 5:9) And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

BEGINNING OF CREATION OF GOD: (Revelation 3:14) And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

BELOVED SON: (Matthew 12:18) Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall show judgment to the Gentiles.

BLESSED AND ONLY POTENTATE: (1 Timothy 6:15) Which in his times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

BRANCH: (Isaiah 4:2) In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.

BREAD OF LIFE: (John 6:32) Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

CAPTAIN OF SALVATION: (Hebrews 2:10) For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

CHIEF SHEPHERD: (1 Peter 5:4) And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

CHRIST OF GOD: (Luke 9:20) He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God.

CONSOLATION OF ISRAEL: (Luke 2:25) And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.

CORNERSTONE: (Psalm 118:22) The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.

COUNSELLOR: (Isaiah 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

CREATOR: (John 1:3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

DAYSPRING: (Luke 1:78) Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,

DELIVERER: (Romans 11:26) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

DESIRE OF THE NATIONS: (Haggai 2:7) And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.

DOOR: (John 10:7) Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

ELECT OF GOD: (Isaiah 42:1) Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

EVERLASTING FATHER: (Isaiah 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

FAITHFUL WITNESS: (Revelation 1:5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

FIRST AND LAST: (Revelation 1:17) And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

FIRST BEGOTTEN: (Revelation 1:5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

FORERUNNER: (Hebrews 6:20) Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

GLORY OF THE LORD: (Isaiah 40:5) And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

GOD: (Isaiah 40:3) The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

GOD BLESSED: (Romans 9:5) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

GOOD SHEPHERD: (John 10:11) I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

GOVERNOR: (Matthew 2:6) And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

GREAT HIGH PRIEST: (Hebrews 4:14) Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

HEAD OF THE CHURCH: (Ephesians 1:22) And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

HEIR OF ALL THINGS: (Hebrews 1:2) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

HOLY CHILD: (Acts 4:27) For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

HOLY ONE: (Acts 3:14) But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

HOLY ONE OF GOD: (Mark 1:24) Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.

HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL: (Isaiah 41:14) Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith the LORD, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.

HORN OF SALVATION: (Luke 1:69) And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

I AM: (John 8:58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

IMAGE OF GOD: (2 Corinthians 4:4) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

IMMANUEL: (Isaiah 7:14) Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

JEHOVAH: (Isaiah 26:4) Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:

JESUS: (Matthew 1:21) And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

JESUS OF NAZARETH: (Matthew 21:11) And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.

JUDGE OF ISRAEL: (Micah 5:1) Now gather thyself in troops, O daughter of troops: he hath laid siege against us: they shall smite the judge of Israel with a rod upon the cheek.

THE JUST ONE: (Acts 7:52) Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which showed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

KING: (Zechariah 9:9) Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ***, and upon a colt the foal of an ***.

KING OF THE AGES: (1 Timothy 1:17) Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

KING OF THE JEWS: (Matthew 2:2) Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

KING OF KINGS: (1 Timothy 6:15) Which in his times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

KING OF SAINTS: (Revelation 15:3) And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

LAWGIVER: (Isaiah 33:22) For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.

LAMB: (Revelation 13:8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

LAMB OF GOD: (John 1:29) The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

LEADER AND COMMANDER: (Isaiah 55:4) Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.

THE LIFE: (John 14:6) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

LIGHT OF THE WORLD: (John 8:12) Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH: (Revelation 5:5) And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

LORD OF ALL: (Acts 10:36) The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

LORD OF GLORY: (1 Corinthians 2:8) Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

LORD OF LORDS: (1 Timothy 6:15) Which in his times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

LORD OF OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS: (Jeremiah 23:6) In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

MAN OF SORROWS: (Isaiah 53:3) He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

MEDIATOR: (1 Timothy 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT: (Malachi 3:1) Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

MESSIAH: (Daniel 9:25) Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

(John 1:41) He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messiah, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.

MIGHTY GOD: (Isaiah 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

MIGHTY ONE: (Isaiah 60:16) Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

MORNING STAR: (Revelation 22:16) I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

NAZARENE: (Matthew 2:23) And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.

ONLY BEGOTTEN SON: (John 1:18) No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

OUR PASSOVER: (1 Corinthians 5:7) Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

PRINCE OF LIFE: (Acts 3:15) And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

PRINCE OF KINGS: (Revelation 1:5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

PRINCE OF PEACE: (Isaiah 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

PROPHET: (Luke 24:19) And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:

(Acts 3:22) For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

REDEEMER: (Job 19:25) For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

RESURRECTION AND LIFE: (John 11:25) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

ROCK: (1 Corinthians 10:4) And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

ROOT OF DAVID: (Revelation 22:16) I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

ROSE OF SHARON: (Song of Songs 2:1) I am the rose of Sharon, and the lily of the valleys.

SAVIOR: (Luke 2:11) For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

SEED OF WOMAN: (Genesis 3:15) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

SHEPHERD AND BISHOP OF SOULS: (1 Peter 2:25) For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

SHILOH: (Genesis 49:10) The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

SON OF THE BLESSED: (Mark 14:61) But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?

SON OF DAVID: (Matthew 1:1) The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

SON OF GOD: (Matthew 2:15) And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

SON OF THE HIGHEST: (Luke 1:32) He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

SUN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS: (Malachi 4:2) But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

TRUE LIGHT: (John 1:9) That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

TRUE VINE: (John 15:1) I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

TRUTH: (John 1:14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

WITNESS: (Isaiah 55:4) Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.

WORD: (John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

WORD OF GOD: (Revelation 19:13) And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

So I guess to make you happy I need to list each and every for #1 and #2.

I ain't gonna do it like that.

I ain't gonna keep re-answering the same things you ask over and over again.

I am also not gonna keep re-explaining things when there are written links that offer biblical reasons for why
a term is valid.

Find someone else to harass or play with or better yet take your marbles outside and play while you still have some.

Adios

 

[FreeInChrist]

Where is @FreeInChrist ???

@FreeInChrist, you estimated that Jesus Christ is "two persons"

@civic , you were named in one of the summons for me so you might as well read along.

I just reposted again. I hope by the end of the next school year you read past the 6th grade level.

Eternal Generation starts with a Father.... who shares his essence and the same substance with the Son. The Holy Spirit is not part of these two other then being the 3rd in the God head.

If you would just look at one or two of the links I sent you, you might start to see what eternal generation... or as they insist on calling it... eternal begotten truly means.


Good bye.

 

[DavidTree]

#419 tells you.

I have to cut off God's definitions of his names because it makes this post too long. Sorry Heavenly Father........


I TOLD you.
#1 is.
That would be the first in the Trinity. Many call him God, or God the Father, or YHWH, or YAHVEH, or Jehovah, or Heavenly Father
any one of the following 32 names for God ( with their meaning) Which is why I said to just say The God.
HE IS KNOWN BY ALL OF THESE. HE IS THE FIRST IN THE GODHEAD.

EL​

ELOHIM​

EL SHADDAI​

ADONAI​

YAHWEH or Jehovah​

YAHWEH-JIREH​

YAHWEH-ROPHE ​

YAHWEH-NISSI​

YAHWEH-M’KADDESH​

YAHWEH-SHALOM​

YAHWEH ELOHIM:​

YAHWEH-TSIDKENU​

YAHWEH-ROHI​

YAHWEH-SHAMMAH​

YAHWEH-SABAOTH​

EL ELYON​

ABHIR​

KADOSH​

SHAPHAT​

EL ROI​

KANNA​

PALET​

YESHA​

GAOL​

MAGEN​

EYALUTH​

TSADDIQ​

EL-OLAM​

EL-BERITH​

EL-GIBHOR​

ZUR​

MELEKH


#2 is
NOW THE 2ND IN THE GODHEAD IS THE ONE WHO WITH THE FIRST SHARES THE ESSENCE AND SUBSTANCE

That is Jesus, or Christ Jesus, or Jesus Christ, or Jesus the Christ, or Savior, or Son of God, or God's Son, or The Wrod.

and all 50 more below.

ADAM: (1 Corinthians 15:45) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

ADVOCATE: (1 John 2:1) My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

ALMIGHTY: (Revelation 1:8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

ALPHA AND OMEGA: (Revelation 1:8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

AMEN: (Revelation 3:14) And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

APOSTLE OF OUR PROFESSION: (Hebrews 3:1) Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

ARM OF THE LORD: (Isaiah 51:9) Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the dragon?

(Isaiah 53:1) Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH: (Hebrews 12:2) Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

AUTHOR OF ETERNAL SALVATION: (Hebrews 5:9) And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

BEGINNING OF CREATION OF GOD: (Revelation 3:14) And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

BELOVED SON: (Matthew 12:18) Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall show judgment to the Gentiles.

BLESSED AND ONLY POTENTATE: (1 Timothy 6:15) Which in his times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

BRANCH: (Isaiah 4:2) In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.

BREAD OF LIFE: (John 6:32) Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

CAPTAIN OF SALVATION: (Hebrews 2:10) For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

CHIEF SHEPHERD: (1 Peter 5:4) And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

CHRIST OF GOD: (Luke 9:20) He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God.

CONSOLATION OF ISRAEL: (Luke 2:25) And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.

CORNERSTONE: (Psalm 118:22) The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.

COUNSELLOR: (Isaiah 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

CREATOR: (John 1:3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

DAYSPRING: (Luke 1:78) Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,

DELIVERER: (Romans 11:26) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

DESIRE OF THE NATIONS: (Haggai 2:7) And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.

DOOR: (John 10:7) Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

ELECT OF GOD: (Isaiah 42:1) Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

EVERLASTING FATHER: (Isaiah 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

FAITHFUL WITNESS: (Revelation 1:5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

FIRST AND LAST: (Revelation 1:17) And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

FIRST BEGOTTEN: (Revelation 1:5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

FORERUNNER: (Hebrews 6:20) Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

GLORY OF THE LORD: (Isaiah 40:5) And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

GOD: (Isaiah 40:3) The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

GOD BLESSED: (Romans 9:5) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

GOOD SHEPHERD: (John 10:11) I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

GOVERNOR: (Matthew 2:6) And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

GREAT HIGH PRIEST: (Hebrews 4:14) Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

HEAD OF THE CHURCH: (Ephesians 1:22) And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

HEIR OF ALL THINGS: (Hebrews 1:2) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

HOLY CHILD: (Acts 4:27) For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

HOLY ONE: (Acts 3:14) But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

HOLY ONE OF GOD: (Mark 1:24) Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.

HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL: (Isaiah 41:14) Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith the LORD, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.

HORN OF SALVATION: (Luke 1:69) And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

I AM: (John 8:58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

IMAGE OF GOD: (2 Corinthians 4:4) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

IMMANUEL: (Isaiah 7:14) Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

JEHOVAH: (Isaiah 26:4) Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:

JESUS: (Matthew 1:21) And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

JESUS OF NAZARETH: (Matthew 21:11) And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.

JUDGE OF ISRAEL: (Micah 5:1) Now gather thyself in troops, O daughter of troops: he hath laid siege against us: they shall smite the judge of Israel with a rod upon the cheek.

THE JUST ONE: (Acts 7:52) Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which showed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

KING: (Zechariah 9:9) Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ***, and upon a colt the foal of an ***.

KING OF THE AGES: (1 Timothy 1:17) Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

KING OF THE JEWS: (Matthew 2:2) Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

KING OF KINGS: (1 Timothy 6:15) Which in his times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

KING OF SAINTS: (Revelation 15:3) And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

LAWGIVER: (Isaiah 33:22) For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.

LAMB: (Revelation 13:8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

LAMB OF GOD: (John 1:29) The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

LEADER AND COMMANDER: (Isaiah 55:4) Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.

THE LIFE: (John 14:6) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

LIGHT OF THE WORLD: (John 8:12) Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH: (Revelation 5:5) And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

LORD OF ALL: (Acts 10:36) The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

LORD OF GLORY: (1 Corinthians 2:8) Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

LORD OF LORDS: (1 Timothy 6:15) Which in his times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

LORD OF OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS: (Jeremiah 23:6) In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

MAN OF SORROWS: (Isaiah 53:3) He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

MEDIATOR: (1 Timothy 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT: (Malachi 3:1) Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

MESSIAH: (Daniel 9:25) Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

(John 1:41) He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messiah, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.

MIGHTY GOD: (Isaiah 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

MIGHTY ONE: (Isaiah 60:16) Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

MORNING STAR: (Revelation 22:16) I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

NAZARENE: (Matthew 2:23) And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.

ONLY BEGOTTEN SON: (John 1:18) No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

OUR PASSOVER: (1 Corinthians 5:7) Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

PRINCE OF LIFE: (Acts 3:15) And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

PRINCE OF KINGS: (Revelation 1:5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

PRINCE OF PEACE: (Isaiah 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

PROPHET: (Luke 24:19) And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:

(Acts 3:22) For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

REDEEMER: (Job 19:25) For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

RESURRECTION AND LIFE: (John 11:25) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

ROCK: (1 Corinthians 10:4) And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

ROOT OF DAVID: (Revelation 22:16) I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

ROSE OF SHARON: (Song of Songs 2:1) I am the rose of Sharon, and the lily of the valleys.

SAVIOR: (Luke 2:11) For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

SEED OF WOMAN: (Genesis 3:15) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

SHEPHERD AND BISHOP OF SOULS: (1 Peter 2:25) For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

SHILOH: (Genesis 49:10) The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

SON OF THE BLESSED: (Mark 14:61) But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?

SON OF DAVID: (Matthew 1:1) The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

SON OF GOD: (Matthew 2:15) And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

SON OF THE HIGHEST: (Luke 1:32) He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

SUN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS: (Malachi 4:2) But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

TRUE LIGHT: (John 1:9) That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

TRUE VINE: (John 15:1) I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

TRUTH: (John 1:14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

WITNESS: (Isaiah 55:4) Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.

WORD: (John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

WORD OF GOD: (Revelation 19:13) And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

So I guess to make you happy I need to list each and every for #1 and #2.

I ain't gonna do it like that.

I ain't gonna keep re-answering the same things you ask over and over again.

I am also not gonna keep re-explaining things when there are written links that offer biblical reasons for why
a term is valid.

Find someone else to harass or play with or better yet take your marbles outside and play while you still have some.

Adios

All of the above i KNOW

JESUS is One Person of ELOHIM = HE is not two persons as you suggested in your posts.

JESUS is not one person as a man AND another person who is God

JESUS is the Word that was God and became flesh = One Person

There does NOT exist in Scripture "eternally begotten" which is the same as "eternally generated" = major error

This is why i posted all of the TRUTH that Declares that "Today, I have begotten You" only pertains to the Word becoming flesh.

 

[civic]

If any of you get a chance please read this thread as I posted a couple of my friends work who were/are theologians on the Trinity.

Thread 'God is Plural'

Jul 31, 2023

From my friend Robert Bowman
http://www.irr.org/trinity-part-II.html

This One God Is the Single Divine Being Known in the OT as Jehovah or Yahweh (“The LORD”)​

A. This one God is known in the OT as Jehovah or Yahweh (“the LORD”)

1. Texts where Jehovah is said to be elohim or el: Deut. 4:35, 39; Josh. 22:34; 1 Kings 8:60; 18:21, 39; Ps. 100:3; 118:27; etc.

2. Texts where the compound name “Jehovah God” (Yahweh Elohim) is used: Gen. 2:4-9, 15-22; 3:1, 8-9, 13-14, 21-23; 24:3; Ex. 9:30; Ps. 72:18; 84:11; Jonah 4:6

3. Only one...

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[civic]

All of the above i KNOW

JESUS is One Person of ELOHIM = HE is not two persons as you suggested in your posts.

JESUS is not one person as a man AND another person who is God

JESUS is the Word that was God and became flesh = One Person

There does NOT exist in Scripture "eternally begotten" which is the same as "eternally generated" = major error

This is why i posted all of the TRUTH that Declares that "Today, I have begotten You" only pertains to the Word becoming flesh.

Yet there is the Eternal Son who is without begining in the exact same way as the Eternal Father.

As an FYI I can and do argue from both the sole biblical view of the Godhead and the extra biblical/historical/creedal view of the Trinity. It all depends which I need to defend and who I'm engaging online or in person.

 

[FreeInChrist]

All of the above i KNOW

JESUS is One Person of ELOHIM = HE is not two persons as you suggested in your posts.

I never suggested ever in my lifetime.

JESUS is not one person as a man AND another person who is God

I never suggested that either

JESUS is the Word that was God and became flesh = One Person

I have always said that

There does NOT exist in Scripture "eternally begotten" which is the same as "eternally generated" = major error

You know nothing for if you did you would understand, and you dont.

This is why i posted all of the TRUTH that Declares that "Today, I have begotten You" only pertains to the Word becoming flesh.

5th grade

Oh what the heck .. I'm gone from here...

 

[dwight92070]

I believe the general understanding of the Trinity is flawed. I believe the truth is: Each of the three persons is distinct from the others, yet at the same time, each IS the other. You cannot say that each of the 3 is God, and yet at the same time say that they are not each other. If the Father is God and Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God - then they HAVE TO BE each other. No, I am not a Modalist. I am a Bibleist. But don't take my word for it. What does the Bible say?

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (distinct from), and the Word was God ( the same)."
"Now the Lord is the Spirit." Jesus IS the Holy Spirit.
"The son shall be called ... Everlasting Father" Jesus IS the Father.
We know from Acts 5:3-4 that the Holy Spirit is the Father.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

I never suggested ever in my lifetime.

I never suggested that either

I have always said that


You know nothing for if you did you would understand, and you dont.

5th grade

Oh what the heck .. I'm gone from here...

Three of you all are saying the same things
and thinking each one is wrong .
But what most do not see is
the basic faith is being abandoned . I am watching so called triniatarians
and etc getting pulled into the same web of deciet .
So one simple question
and then let us get busy contending for the true faith
of which many have fled for interfaith .
WHO Here agrees
That in the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with GOD
and The WORD was GOD .
WHO here agrees that this comforter we recieve is OF CHRIST , IS OF GOD .
THAT GOD IS HIS WORD , HE IS HIS SPIRIT .
And HIS WORD did become flesh .
That GOD was manifest in the flesh
as sayeth paul when writing to timothy .
Because we got us a far more serious problem .
That while some can still see the true Godhead
even they are heading right into a false love that simply will not correct all sins , all errors
within the beleivers and has led to a moutain of leaven coming in
and leading them all right to the lie .
I mean most folks dont even beleive JESUS OWN WORDS anymore
We got problems . major ones .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Seems like these days everyone is their own wise scholar .
I see more defintions of words
on display , i see more information than ever that has been learned
And i see by grace , MANY ARE DECEIVED and dont even BELEIVE the basic truth anymore

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

I never suggested ever in my lifetime.

I never suggested that either

I have always said that


You know nothing for if you did you would understand, and you dont.

5th grade

Oh what the heck .. I'm gone from here...

you all are saying the same things . Its liken unto this parable
One side when looking at mud says , Hey its water and dirt
and the other side says , NO you silly its Hydrogen dioxide and dirt .
But what many do not seem to beleive anymore
ARE ALL THE WORDS of HE who was before all that was even was
and that by HIM and through HIM were all things created
At most they pick and choose what version of what THEY THINK is love and is of GOD
that supports whatever they WANTED it to say .
WE got scholars all over the place
Men so learned , so learned in greek , in hermeuntics , in context
in exegeis , But sadly cannot even discern the most basic and simple truth
THAN ANY BABE could have known . WE got problems .
Did you know that one could even teach a parrot to quoate the words of truth
BUT HOW MUCH YOU BET that bird DONT KNOW the TRUTH .
I say that for a good reason and not to accuse you or anyone else here .
This generation IS in dire trouble . It seems to be ever learning
but it darn sure dont seem to be able to even come to the basic knowledge
ANY baby sheep would have known on the day of its rebirth .

 

[DavidTree]

you all are saying the same things . Its liken unto this parable
One side when looking at mud says , Hey its water and dirt
and the other side says , NO you silly its Hydrogen dioxide and dirt .
But what many do not seem to beleive anymore
ARE ALL THE WORDS of HE who was before all that was even was
and that by HIM and through HIM were all things created
At most they pick and choose what version of what THEY THINK is love and is of GOD
that supports whatever they WANTED it to say .
WE got scholars all over the place
Men so learned , so learned in greek , in hermeuntics , in context
in exegeis , But sadly cannot even discern the most basic and simple truth
THAN ANY BABE could have known . WE got problems .
Did you know that one could even teach a parrot to quoate the words of truth
BUT HOW MUCH YOU BET that bird DONT KNOW the TRUTH .
I say that for a good reason and not to accuse you or anyone else here .
This generation IS in dire trouble . It seems to be ever learning
but it darn sure dont seem to be able to even come to the basic knowledge
ANY baby sheep would have known on the day of its rebirth .

ABSOLUTELY NO = We are NOT saying the same thing

Two are seeking to establish a falsehood = eternally begotten/eternal generation

 

[praise_yeshua]

Challenge accepted - Thank You


Can man, any man, define the Glory that he was not privy to see??? = Glory BEFORE, not after
No one but the LORD Himself knows of the Glory HE had before laying it aside and coming to earth.

We know through the Scriptures and reason. Such glory was manifest within the confines of nature and our human existence. The Father answered Jesus Christ the Son. He wasn't silent in ignoring the prayer of the Son.

This leaves everyone with only one path by which we can pursue such an unseen endeavor that Transcends Time, Place and Knowledge.
This Path is Called "The WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE" = "The WORD that was God at the beginning"
Within Genesis to Revelation is the ONLY Source given to us to examine and to pray for understanding.

No. We learn from nature or the context of our existence. God brought us into life.

The only place in Scripture of the Heavenly Glory of, the Word that was God, is in Revelation chapter 1 and yet even that is not all encompassing.

This is a good conversation. There is "glory" in many things.

1Co 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

Notice that this is earthbound 'glory' = Solomon at his peak/slender and the flowers growing = "they do not work or spin!!!

You keep of glory being "bound" with the earth. The heavens declare His glory.

JESUS is declaring that the seeming simplest and weakest structure of the Creation is far Superior to man's ingenuity.

I disagree. For example, within the context of human limitations, we can produce a light that is far superior to any external light known to us.

The only difference is perception. What is close to use exceeds in glory to what is far from us. It is a matter of perception and distance.

Man lives on an enclosed environment. Man cannot create, he can only use or abuse that which God created for us.

We can fabricate. We can even combine substances into "new to us" forms of matter. What limits us really is knowledge and the capacity to retain knowledge.

Notice God's Wrath upon mankind who abused His Creation for self-serving means filled with a lust for power and
hatred towards "man made in the image of God'. = Revelation 11:18

The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”

I agree.

Summation: There was Glory that only ELOHIM and perhaps the angels were privy to BEFORE the world was created.

I disagree. While this might be true to some degree. You would have to believe that the Son asked the Father for something that the Father refused. This presents a circumstance wherein the Father and Son are opposed to one another.

We are privy to this: And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory,

Glory Defined: "the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
This "glory" includes all that Christ displayed on earth, as a man who Fulfilled the Father's Good Pleasure where Adam failed.

SHALOM

Adam was young and incapable of maturing to the point of understanding his own actions and the consequences of such. Even Adam had to learn. Adam learned from the animals God gave to help him. Yet Adam could learn what he needed to know from just them. Adam needed more.

There is somewhere I'd like to go from here but I don't know if we can really get there from here.....I don't want to lose you in this but....

This nonsense that exists in believe that Adam was "all knowing" and "perfect" when Adam was formed is impossible to believe. This has negatively affected so many areas of theology that it is seemingly impossible for men to understand/know "God" anymore. I see it more and more that I live. I see it myself and most every other.

The Character of God that is often presented in various theologies is just a reflect of the desires of man to rule over others. This is reflected in our theologies. It is reflected in the husband wife dynamic it is reflected in man's view of God's Character itself.

People actually believe that God wants to rule mankind like a "king" would rule his people. I once thought the same. I don't believe that anymore.

We see what we want to see in the "glory" of God. Such glory/Character is first PURE.....

 

[civic]

I believe the general understanding of the Trinity is flawed. I believe the truth is: Each of the three persons is distinct from the others, yet at the same time, each IS the other. You cannot say that each of the 3 is God, and yet at the same time say that they are not each other. If the Father is God and Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God - then they HAVE TO BE each other. No, I am not a Modalist. I am a Bibleist. But don't take my word for it. What does the Bible say?

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (distinct from), and the Word was God ( the same)."
"Now the Lord is the Spirit." Jesus IS the Holy Spirit.
"The son shall be called ... Everlasting Father" Jesus IS the Father.
We know from Acts 5:3-4 that the Holy Spirit is the Father.

They are not each other since that’s Modalism by definition. They share the same attributes yet are distinct as Persons. You are conflating Persons with nature, essence , being, substance.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

ABSOLUTELY NO = We are NOT saying the same thing

Two are seeking to establish a falsehood = eternally begotten/eternal generation

Someone mind explaining the difference between the two .
eternally begotten verse eternal generation .

 

[DavidTree]

Someone mind explaining the difference between the two .
eternally begotten verse eternal generation .

They are the same = just presented/worded differently but exactly the same.

This is jehoovee whitless heresy = claiming that the Son was begotten BEFORE coming to earth, created by God

This is how error creeps in = by ignoring "It is written" and then adding our own words & imaginations to scripture.

All Scripture Prophesies of One who is Coming AND when HE comes HE will be called the Son of God

Psalm 2:7
“I will declare the decree: The LORD has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.

Hebrews 1:5-6
“You are My Son;
today I have become Your Father”?
Or again:
“I will be His Father,
and He will be My Son”
And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let all God’s angels worship Him.”

Elohim never begot the WORD that was God in Eternity

Elohim sent the Elohim Word that became flesh = the only begotten of the FATHER

The Advent of Elohim/God coming as a man whereby the SON of Righteousness appeared on earth to all men.

There does not exist in Scripture a verse that says the FATHER begot/generated the SON before HE came to earth as a man.

the WORD always was with God and was God until the Time came for Salvation = Isaiah 6:1-8

 

[civic]

Someone mind explaining the difference between the two .
eternally begotten verse eternal generation .

A distinction without a difference.

But the Eternal Son and only begotten/ eternal generated/begotten can be different depending upon who’s definitions one affirms or sides with on the doctrine.

I can affirm monogenes and eternal Son together by Greek Lexicon definitions where they have the same meaning and are synonymous terms.