Dizerner
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Just FYI. Bad manuscript.
FYI, it's not. Son is the original reading, not children.
Eternal isn't the absence of time.
God did not have a "starting" point man, that's not a thing.
Just FYI. Bad manuscript.
Eternal isn't the absence of time.
FYI, it's not. Son is the original reading, not children.
God did not have a "starting" point man, that's not a thing.
Did Eve come forth from Adam?
I mean, this would be more like cloning than sonship. (Or daughtership as the case would be).
Or, Eve came from Adam but that God changed/restructured thru His Foreknowledge & CounselPoint being, there were things added that didn't come from Adam.
Or, Eve came from Adam but that God changed/restructured thru His Foreknowledge & Counsel
Adam(rib) was restructured by God to bring forth that which is compatible to Adam for 'she' came from Adam.
Thereby the DNA of Adam is Adams' but it has been restructured for the Design as Designated by the Counsel of Elohim
and Adam's DNA is Eve's with the the elements being restructured.
As you know = Adam & Eve were created thru Counsel & Design = Genesis 1:26-27
Which is the Scriptural of emphasis of Post 204 along with other Scripture that i have set aside(for now)
SHALOM
i have to leave for nowThis leads into more question. I don't know what to believe about DNA. I don't believe we really understand DNA as is. For example, there are issues in DNA relative to close relationships being indistinguishable at times relative to genetic marker overlap.
Lets dig a little deeper....
So. Why was Adam and Eve both taken from the ground? Before answering.... consider.
All "Flesh" comes from the earth. Dirt. Ground. Dust.
However, they are not all the same.
1Co 15:37 And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain.
1Co 15:38 But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body.
1Co 15:39 For not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish.
So, why was both Adam and Eve taken from the ground?
I have my own thoughts. I'm interested in your or any other's thoughts on the matter.
???there is no time in eternity prior to creation,
fallacious question
next fallacy
We know why Elohim created Adam from the ground.This leads into more question. I don't know what to believe about DNA. I don't believe we really understand DNA as is. For example, there are issues in DNA relative to close relationships being indistinguishable at times relative to genetic marker overlap.
Lets dig a little deeper....
So. Why was Adam and Eve both taken from the ground? Before answering.... consider.
All "Flesh" comes from the earth. Dirt. Ground. Dust.
However, they are not all the same.
1Co 15:37 And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain.
1Co 15:38 But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body.
1Co 15:39 For not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish.
So, why was both Adam and Eve taken from the ground?
I have my own thoughts. I'm interested in your or any other's thoughts on the matter.
JESUS cannot reference any other relationship then that which HE submitted too
David, let the word of God tells:Daniel 3:25
This is a scripture passage that we are looking for concerning this topic - Thank You @civic
What are we looking at here in this passage???
Is it a definitive "eternal begotten Son" or are we seeing Prophecy???
ty @praise_yeshua
Jesus said he came on Father's initiative and command, so Jesus was already submitted before the Incarnation.
For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. (Jn. 6:38 NKJ)
It doesn't show submitting at all.
It seems you do not understand what submission is.
Submission does not mean your will is contrary, submission means your will is in agreement.
Submitting to authority contains the connotation of yielding to desires to the contrary.
No, you don't have to have contrary desires to be submitted, that's just incorrect.
It may be quite harder to submit if you do, but it's not a logical necessity.
As a man/servant he humbled himself, not before.... before he became a man, he was the Word from the beginning, ( and NEED NO HUMBLING!) in other words, the God of Genesis 1:1Jesus said he came on Father's initiative and command, so Jesus was already submitted before the Incarnation.
For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. (Jn. 6:38 NKJ)
Philippians 2:5-8~"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, (not before!) and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
As a man/servant he humbled himself, not before.... before he became a man, he was the Word from the beginning, ( and NEED NO HUMBLING!) in other words, the God of Genesis 1:1
2nd Corinthians 8:9
“For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.”
As God he own everything; as the Son of God, he inherited all things, and God's children through Him. Selah.
I'm NOT of the Reformed community of believers, I know well what they teach.@Red Baker see the Reformered Theologians/Scholars affirm the Eternal Son below
If they are of the same mind "Father and Son", then there is no submission.