Dizerner
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FYI, it's not. Son is the original reading, not children.
God did not have a "starting" point man, that's not a thing.
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FYI, it's not. Son is the original reading, not children.
God did not have a "starting" point man, that's not a thing.
praise_yeshua
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Dizerner
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I mean, this would be more like cloning than sonship. (Or daughtership as the case would be).
praise_yeshua
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Point being, there were things added that didn't come from Adam.
DavidTree
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Or, Eve came from Adam but that God changed/restructured thru His Foreknowledge & Counsel
Adam(rib) was restructured by God to bring forth that which is compatible to Adam for 'she' came from Adam.
Thereby the DNA of Adam is Adams' but it has been restructured for the Design as Designated by the Counsel of Elohim
and Adam's DNA is Eve's with the the elements being restructured.
As you know = Adam & Eve were created thru Counsel & Design = Genesis 1:26-27
Which is the Scriptural of emphasis of Post 204 along with other Scripture that i have set aside(for now)
SHALOM
praise_yeshua
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This leads into more question. I don't know what to believe about DNA. I don't believe we really understand DNA as is. For example, there are issues in DNA relative to close relationships being indistinguishable at times relative to genetic marker overlap.
Lets dig a little deeper....
So. Why was Adam and Eve both taken from the ground? Before answering.... consider.
All "Flesh" comes from the earth. Dirt. Ground. Dust.
However, they are not all the same.
1Co 15:37 And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain.
1Co 15:38 But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body.
1Co 15:39 For not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish.
So, why was both Adam and Eve taken from the ground?
I have my own thoughts. I'm interested in your or any other's thoughts on the matter.
DavidTree
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FreeInChrist
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DavidTree
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We know why Elohim created Adam from the ground.
It is stated to us in Scripture by direct Declaration
“Remember this, and show yourselves men;
Recall to mind, O you transgressors.
Remember the former things of old,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand,
and is Verified here - Acts 2:23
“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know—
Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God,
you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it. For David says concerning Him:
This Scriptural Truth is the Foundation of Post 204
Dizerner
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Jesus said he came on Father's initiative and command, so Jesus was already submitted before the Incarnation.
For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. (Jn. 6:38 NKJ)
@DavidTree
David, let the word of God tells:
Daniel 3:28
“Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.”praise_yeshua
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Ah.....
A Unitarian argument.
Define how Christ's own will was contrary to the will of the Father? If this can't be defined then you're not reading the verse properly.
The intent of the statement is to define how Christ's will was in alignment with the Father. It doesn't show submitting at all.
Dizerner
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It seems you do not understand what submission is.
Submission does not mean your will is contrary, submission means your will is in agreement.
praise_yeshua
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Not true at all. Do you see the word "submission" anywhere in the context of what you wrote? It isn't there because it is not what the words express.
Submitting to authority contains the connotation of yielding to desires to the contrary.
Dizerner
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No, you don't have to have contrary desires to be submitted, that's just incorrect.
It may be quite harder to submit if you do, but it's not a logical necessity.
praise_yeshua
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Only shallow people just "go along" without any thoughts of their own. I don't see the Son of God as being mindless.
The will is complicated construct of the mind, the soul and spirit of man. These are the kind of conversations that actually lead somewhere in the context of meaningful doctrines that perfect the saints.
If they are of the same mind "Father and Son", then there is no submission. Authority is a matter of constraint. You can't appeal to authority without some sense of constraint.
As a man/servant he humbled himself, not before.... before he became a man, he was the Word from the beginning, ( and NEED NO HUMBLING!) in other words, the God of Genesis 1:1
2nd Corinthians 8:9
“For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.”As God he own everything; as the Son of God, he inherited all things, and God's children through Him. Selah.
praise_yeshua
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Humility is Godlike. God doesn't act like us. He doesn't have to have His way.
You've been tainted by such nonsense for so long you don't realize what you're saying is horribly wrong.
Submitting is allow others to be "right in their own eyes" that they might see themselves failures in "their own ways"....
Dizerner
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No you can genuinely agree with and love your authority.
The rebellious and sinful nature of humans makes that seem "strange."
The self-righteous nature of humans makes them want to pay for and earn their submission.
