The Bahá'í Faith: Teachings, History, and Practices

[Pancho Frijoles]

Concerning the vertical line, are we to take Muhammad's Pedophilia (Aisha, 9 years old), Polygamy, Decapitating Enemies, etc... as revelations from God? Is pedophilia the bond of unity that your god promotes? Evidently, those are revelations from a pagan god.

Good morning synergy. I will try to address your questions.


PEDOPHILIA

• Prophet Muhammed was not a pedophile under any account. Pedophile is a psychiatric condition characterized by obsessive desire for prepubescent persons. There is no account from any source that Prophet Muhammed molested any child or allowed the molestation of any child.
• According to the hadith (which may be right or wrong), Prophet Muhammed consummated marriage with Aisha when she got to the age of puberty, in accordance with the views of maturity at that time. It is very likely that all women we read in the Bible, including Mary, got married at the age they entered puberty. If Jesus had married, he would have married a girl of that age. My sister in fact, entered puberty at 9 years. In my country, Mexico, the civil laws just a century ago approved marriage for girls at 12. Mohammed lived 1400 years before.
• Which of these two things is immoral... marrying a girl at puberty, as per the civil laws of that time... or killing thousands of innocent girls? Was the true God or a pagan god who revealed prophet Samuel that Saul should kill innocent girls of the people of Amalek? (1 Samuel 15:1-3).

POLYGAMY

• Laws on marriage, including number of wives, inheritance laws, divorce, etc have been revealed through the prophets of God according to the needs and possibilities of the people they address. In societies with no education for women, and no possibilities of economic development for women, marriage was a way to survive and get access to intellectual and economic development, social respect and assistance during old age.
• God sent prophet Nathan to David to make him aware of his sin. What was that sin? Polygamy?
• What of these two things is immoral... marrying more than one wife if you could treat them with justice, or telling thousands of women and men in slavery to obey their masters as if they were obeying Jesus, as Paul did?

DECAPITATING ENEMIES

Elijah, was the great prophet that was taken to heaven according to Scriptures, and who would be sent again by God in the Messianic era.
Elijah, was the great prophet who together with Moses shared a place with Jesus in the mount of Transfiguration.
Why did Elijah decapitate 450 enemies of God in Mount Carmel? Was Elijah a prophet of the True God or a prophet of a pagan God?

 

[synergy]

Good morning synergy. I will try to address your questions.


PEDOPHILIA

• Prophet Muhammed was not a pedophile under any account. Pedophile is a psychiatric condition characterized by obsessive desire for prepubescent persons. There is no account from any source that Prophet Muhammed molested any child or allowed the molestation of any child.
• According to the hadith (which may be right or wrong), Prophet Muhammed consummated marriage with Aisha when she got to the age of puberty, in accordance with the views of maturity at that time. It is very likely that all women we read in the Bible, including Mary, got married at the age they entered puberty. If Jesus had married, he would have married a girl of that age. My sister in fact, entered puberty at 9 years. In my country, Mexico, the civil laws just a century ago approved marriage for girls at 12. Mohammed lived 1400 years before.
• Which of these two things is immoral... marrying a girl at puberty, as per the civil laws of that time... or killing thousands of innocent girls? Was the true God or a pagan god who revealed prophet Samuel that Saul should kill innocent girls of the people of Amalek? (1 Samuel 15:1-3).

In this day and age, anyone who is in his 50's and takes a 6 year old as his wife should get his head examined. Not only that but the State will throw him in jail. We now have welfare and adoption agency that can assist a minor so that a young girl no longer has to succumb to those situations.

Aren't you the one who fights for the rights of everyone and here you are throwing away the rights of a minor to protected and have some control or say in her life. It's utterly disgusting to even think about it let alone discuss it. I'm sorry, in this day and age you are dead wrong here.
Thus, Muhammad failed miserably to be a mediator.

POLYGAMY

• Laws on marriage, including number of wives, inheritance laws, divorce, etc have been revealed through the prophets of God according to the needs and possibilities of the people they address. In societies with no education for women, and no possibilities of economic development for women, marriage was a way to survive and get access to intellectual and economic development, social respect and assistance during old age.
• God sent prophet Nathan to David to make him aware of his sin. What was that sin? Polygamy?
• What of these two things is immoral... marrying more than one wife if you could treat them with justice, or telling thousands of women and men in slavery to obey their masters as if they were obeying Jesus, as Paul did?

Again, in this day and age the polygamist will be thrown in jail. Where does the Quran abrogate this practice? It doesn't so it's still a Muhammad mediator enlightenment from Allah.

Again, Muhammad failed miserably to be a mediator.

DECAPITATING ENEMIES

Elijah, was the great prophet that was taken to heaven according to Scriptures, and who would be sent again by God in the Messianic era.
Elijah, was the great prophet who together with Moses shared a place with Jesus in the mount of Transfiguration.
Why did Elijah decapitate 450 enemies of God in Mount Carmel? Was Elijah a prophet of the True God or a prophet of a pagan God?

That practice has since been abrogated by the NT. Where has the Quran abrogated it? It hasn't so it's still a viable practice by Islam.

How many times must Muhammad be exposed as an anti-christ before he is sent packing?

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

In this day and age…
Thus, Muhammad failed miserably to be a mediator.

In this day and age Muhammad is not marrying a girl at puberty.
Your conclusion has been refuted.

Again, in this day and age the polygamist will be thrown in jail.

In this day and age Muhammed is not taking more than one wife.
Your conclusion has been refuted.

Where does the Quran abrogate this practice?

The writing of the Quran took place in Arabia ended around 632 AD. So it did not abrogate polygamy.
There are several things that the Bible never abrogated and you may consider abrogated. One of them is polygamy. If interested in a list, we can discuss it in a different thread.

It doesn't so it's still a Muhammad mediator enlightenment from Allah.

Again, Muhammad failed miserably to be a mediator.

Based on the historical context of both the Quran and the Bible, your proposition has been refuted.

That practice has since been abrogated by the NT.

No, it was not abrogated in the NT.
If interested in a list of things that most Christians believe abrogated but are NOT abrogated in the NT, I can discuss in a different thread.

Where has the Quran abrogated it? It hasn't so it's still a viable practice by Islam.

Current practices of our Muslim and Christian brothers pertain to them.
I am not a practicing Muslim as much as I am not a practicing Christian.

How many times must Muhammad be exposed as an anti-christ before he is sent packing?

One would suffice.

In the meantime, to me, Pancho Frijoles, Muhammad was sent by from God, and He is the Other Comforter that the Holy Spirit inhabited, as promised by Jesus.
In stressing God’s unity, generosity, justice and clemency, Muhammad showed us The Way to God.
Truly, I confess that Allah is my only God, and Muhammed one of his Messengers.

 

[mikesw]

indeed Muhammad is not doing that stuff nowadays. He does not exist anymore.

 

[synergy]

To: @Pancho Frijoles

I have a few questions if you don't mind answering them.

In Islam, is Gabriel the Holy Spirit?

In Islam, is Allah ever referred to as The Father?

Thanks!

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

To: @Pancho Frijoles

I have a few questions if you don't mind answering them.

Hi, synergy.

I also have few questions of you, if you don't mind answering them.

Are you genuinely interested in learning about Islam in this thread?
Are you willing to apologize publicly for the way you have addressed the figure of Muhammed in several posts?
Are you willing to show from now on due respect (just respect, not allegiance) to the figure of Muhammed?

 

[synergy]

Hi, synergy.

I also have few questions of you, if you don't mind answering them.

Are you genuinely interested in learning about Islam in this thread?
Are you willing to apologize publicly for the way you have addressed the figure of Muhammed in several posts?
Are you willing to show from now on due respect (just respect, not allegiance) to the figure of Muhammed?

Did the Martyrs of Rev 20:4 surrender to the forces that beheaded them for witnessing for Jesus, for the Cross, and for the Word of God?

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received his mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Did the Martyrs of Rev 20:4 surrender to the forces that beheaded them for witnessing for Jesus, for the Cross, and for the Word of God?

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received his mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years

In order to address your questions, I would kindly ask you to answer first

Are you genuinely interested in learning about Islam in this thread?
Are you willing to apologize publicly for the way you have addressed the figure of Muhammed in several posts?
Are you willing to show from now on due respect (just respect, not allegiance) to the figure of Muhammed?

If I do not receive a positive answer, I will continue sharing in this thread the basic teachings of the Baha'i Faith without paying attention to your questions or request.
This is because in interfaith dialogue, prudence and respect in addressing the main figures of each faith is essential.

 

[synergy]

In order to address your questions, I would kindly ask you to answer first

Are you genuinely interested in learning about Islam in this thread?

I am open to any and all Religious Faiths. I have explored all faiths that are related to JudeoChristianity. I haven't delved into Hinduism and Buddhism yet. Maybe in the future.

Are you willing to apologize publicly for the way you have addressed the figure of Muhammed in several posts?
Are you willing to show from now on due respect (just respect, not allegiance) to the figure of Muhammed?

Apologize for exposing the AntiChrist Quran that Muhammad brought into the world? Apologize for exposing the enslavement of millions of unfortunate Northern Africans that Islam forced into slavery and profited from? Apologize for exposing all the beheading that was mandated by the Quran? I don't apologize for the freedom granted to me in Western Nations to expose realities.

If I do not receive a positive answer, I will continue sharing in this thread the basic teachings of the Baha'i Faith without paying attention to your questions or request.

That's fine. That will expose to one and all how the Bahai Religion is intentionally blind to the realities of Islam that it promotes.

This is because in interfaith dialogue, prudence and respect in addressing the main figures of each faith is essential.

The main figure of Islam is responsible for the slavery, beheading, enforced conversion, and dhimmitude of countless millions of unfortunate souls. We've already covered how the NT abrogates any thought of those practices so any attempt to justify that Muslim practice is impossible.

 

[mikesw]

I am open to any and all Religious Faiths. I have explored all faiths that are related to JudeoChristianity. I haven't delved into Hinduism and Buddhism yet. Maybe in the future.

Apologize for exposing the AntiChrist Quran that Muhammad brought into the world? Apologize for exposing the enslavement of millions of unfortunate Northern Africans that Islam forced into slavery and profited from? Apologize for exposing all the beheading that was mandated by the Quran? I don't apologize for the freedom granted to me in Western Nations to expose realities and truths.

That's fine. That will expose to one and all how the Bahai Religion is intentionally blind to the realities of Islam that it promotes.

The main figure of Islam is responsible for the slavery, beheading, enforced conversion, and dhimmitude of countless millions of unfortunate souls. We've already covered how the NT abrogates any thought of those practices so any attempt to justify that Muslim practice is impossible.

A probable issue of the Baha'i faith is with the reason that all faiths, with their different idea of gods, would have formed and had so many misconceptions about the essence of God. Regarding Moloch worship, for example, people sacrificed their babies -- but at least if they repented from lust, they would, per the Baha'i faith, to the degree presented so far, be fully reconciled with the real God. Is that reconciliation provided despite the religious views and practices?

 

[synergy]

A probable issue of the Baha'i faith is with the reason that all faiths, with their different idea of gods, would have formed and had so many misconceptions about the essence of God. Regarding Moloch worship, for example, people sacrificed their babies -- but at least if they repented from lust, they would, per the Baha'i faith, to the degree presented so far, be fully reconciled with the real God. Is that reconciliation provided despite the religious views and practices?

However deficient the Bahai faith is, it's hard for me to believe that faith is blind to what the Quran promotes. Illnesses are not eradicated by allowing them to fester but by directly curing them.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

I am open to any and all Religious Faiths.

Certainly, a person who is genuinely open about the main figure of a religion is more interested in investigating that in presenting her own final diagnosis as anti-Christ.

If in a court we genuinely want to know whether a man is guilty or innocent of murder, we don't ask him: "Can you share with the audience what were your thoughts when you were brutally stabbing that woman?" because the question presupposes that the person is already guilty, and that the person who asks the question is not really interested in finding out the truth.

So, I choose to decline respectfully answering your questions or requests in this thread, as it does not correspond to the original purpose of the @Administrator who open it.

 

[synergy]

Certainly, a person who is genuinely open about the main figure of a religion is more interested in investigating that in presenting her own final diagnosis as anti-Christ.

If in a court we genuinely want to know whether a man is guilty or innocent of murder, we don't ask him: "Can you share with the audience what were your thoughts when you were brutally stabbing that woman?" because the question presupposes that the person is already guilty, and that the person who asks the question is not really interested in finding out the truth.

So, I choose to decline respectfully answering your questions or requests in this thread, as it does not correspond to the original purpose of the @Administrator who open it.

You have every right in the world to decline answering my questions. If I were you and believed in a strong faith, I would say bring it on! But I am not you and you have every right to not expose your faith.

By the way, it is history that has exposed Muhammad as the propagator of the Quran that was responsible for all the barbaric actions inflicted on countless millions of Northern Africans by Muslims. I am only a Messenger.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

I would like to share with you all a prayer revealed by Bahá’u’lláh
In the bottom of the post, a beautiful musical recitation of this prayer.

Lauded be Thy name, O my God and the God of all things,​

my Glory and the Glory of all things,​

my Desire and the Desire of all things,​

my Strength and the Strength of all things,​

my King and the King of all things,​

my Aim and the Aim of all things,​

my Mover and the Mover of all things!​

Suffer me not, I implore Thee,​

to be kept back from the ocean of Thy tender mercies,​

nor to be far removed from the shores of nearness to Thee.​

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Aught else except Thee, O my Lord, profiteth me not, ​

and near access to anyone save Thyself​

availeth me nothing.​

I entreat Thee by the plenteousness of Thy riches,​

whereby Thou didst dispense with all else except Thyself,​

to number me with such as have set their faces towards Thee,​

and arisen to serve Thee.​

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Forgive, then, O my Lord, Thy servants and Thy handmaidens.​

Thou, truly, art the Ever-Forgiving, the Most Compassionate.​

 

[praise_yeshua]

I would like to share with you all a prayer revealed by Bahá’u’lláh
In the bottom of the post, a beautiful musical recitation of this prayer.

Lauded be Thy name, O my God and the God of all things,​

my Glory and the Glory of all things,​

my Desire and the Desire of all things,​

my Strength and the Strength of all things,​

my King and the King of all things,​

my Aim and the Aim of all things,​

my Mover and the Mover of all things!​

Suffer me not, I implore Thee,​

to be kept back from the ocean of Thy tender mercies,​

nor to be far removed from the shores of nearness to Thee.​

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Aught else except Thee, O my Lord, profiteth me not, ​

and near access to anyone save Thyself​

availeth me nothing.​

I entreat Thee by the plenteousness of Thy riches,​

whereby Thou didst dispense with all else except Thyself,​

to number me with such as have set their faces towards Thee,​

and arisen to serve Thee.​

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Forgive, then, O my Lord, Thy servants and Thy handmaidens.​

Thou, truly, art the Ever-Forgiving, the Most Compassionate.​

Uneventfully generic.

The very concept of "God" requires a clear delineation of who God is. Names are required.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Uneventfully generic. The very concept of "God" requires a clear delineation of who God is. Names are required.

My friend

This is a prayer, not an essay on Theology. We can have some examples in how prayers look like in the Lord's Prayer or Psalm 51.
Yet the concept of God is embedded deeply in the prayer. For God is "my Glory and the Glory of all things, my Desire and the Desire of all things,
my Strength and the Strength of all things, my King and the King of all things, my Aim and the Aim of all things, my Mover and the Mover of all things!". There is a subjective (eg "My strength") and an objective ("The Strength of all things") component of each verse...
The prayer also says that God is He whose mercy is an ocean.

I would like to share another prayer for which I have a special affection

Magnified be Thy name, O Lord my God! ​

I know not what the water is with which Thou hast created me,​

or what the fire Thou hast kindled within me, ​

or the clay wherewith Thou hast kneaded me. ​

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The restlessness of every sea hath been stilled, ​

but not the restlessness of this Ocean ​

which moveth at the bidding of the winds of Thy will. ​

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The flame of every fire hath been extinguished ​

except the Flame which the hands of Thine omnipotence have kindled, ​

and whose radiance Thou hast, by the power of Thy name, ​

shed abroad before all that are in Thy heaven and all that are on Thy earth. ​

As the tribulations deepen, it waxeth hotter and hotter.​

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Behold, then, O my God, ​

how Thy Light hath been compassed with the onrushing winds of Thy decree, ​

how the tempests that blow and beat upon it from every side ​

have added to its brightness and increased its splendor. ​

For all this let Thee be praised.​

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I implore Thee, by Thy Most Great Name, and Thy most ancient sovereignty, ​

to look upon Thy loved ones whose hearts have been sorely shaken ​

by reason of the troubles that have touched Him Who is the Manifestation of Thine own Self. ​

Powerful art Thou to do what pleaseth Thee. Thou art, verily, the All-Knowing, the All-Wise​

 

[praise_yeshua]

My friend

This is a prayer, not an essay on Theology.

Are you arguing with yourself? I never said otherwise. Prayers still require names. You have many "gods" in your life.

We can have some examples in how prayers look like in the Lord's Prayer or Psalm 51.

I wish you actually knew more than you think you know....

Psalm 51 came from King David. He well knew the personal name of God. What you read in English isn't what David wrote.

Your gods are silent...... You're finding peace in pleasing yourself. Not God.


1Ki_18:24 And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Are you arguing with yourself? I never said otherwise. Prayers still require names. You have many "gods" in your life.

I believe you have only One God in your life.

Are you interested in knowing about the names of God as understood in the Baha'i Faith?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

There are two particular aspects related to the cross in the Quran.
One is that God doesn’t need blood from an Innocent to forgive sins. Both Muslims and Baha’is believe that.

And they're BOTH DEAD WRONG.

The Quran is nothing more than a meaningless collection of absolute garbage.

The Bible (where the truth lies) is clear that Jesus' SIN OFFERING on the cross is the ONLY MEANS by which a person's SIN can be cleansed. Every other explanation / religious system is pure garbage.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

The Quran is nothing more than a meaningless collection of absolute garbage.

I understand your position, Bob.
I'm a baha'i, not a Christian. In this thread I'm sharing aspects of my faith.

For we, baha'is, The Quran is revealed by God, as the Bible.

The Bible (where the truth lies) is clear that Jesus' SIN OFFERING on the cross is the ONLY MEANS by which a person's SIN can be cleansed. Every other explanation / religious system is pure garbage.

I understand your position, my friend.
I'm a baha'i, not a Christian. In this thread I'm sharing aspects of my faith.

We baha'is believe that God forgives those who come to Him with a contrite and broken heart, in genuine repentance.
We believe that this has always been the teaching of the Messengers of God, like Jesus.
If you are interested in knowing more about why we believe in that, please let me know.

This prayer of Bahá'u'lláh is about forgiveness

Glorified art Thou, O Lord my God! ​

I beseech Thee by Thy Chosen Ones, ​

and by the Bearers of Thy Trust, ​

and by Him Whom Thou hast ordained ​

to be the Seal of Thy Prophets and of Thy Messengers, ​

to let Thy remembrance be my companion, ​

and Thy love my aim, ​

and Thy face my goal, ​

and Thy name my lamp, ​

and Thy wish my desire, ​

and Thy pleasure my delight.​

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I am a sinner, O my Lord, ​

and Thou art the Ever-Forgiving. ​

As soon as I recognized Thee, ​

I hastened to attain the exalted court of Thy loving-kindness. ​

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Forgive me, O my Lord, ​

my sins which have hindered me ​

from walking in the ways of Thy good pleasure, ​

and from attaining the shores ​

of the ocean of Thy oneness.​

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There is no one, O my Lord, ​

who can deal bountifully with me ​

to whom I can turn my face, ​

and none who can have compassion on me ​

that I may crave his mercy. ​

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Cast me not out, I implore Thee, ​

of the presence of Thy grace, ​

neither do Thou withhold from me ​

the outpourings of Thy generosity and bounty. ​

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Ordain for me, O my Lord, ​

what Thou hast ordained ​

for them that love Thee, ​

and write down for me ​

what Thou hast written down for Thy chosen ones. ​

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My gaze hath, at all times, been fixed ​

on the horizon of Thy gracious providence, ​

and mine eyes bent ​

upon the court of Thy tender mercies. ​

Do with me as beseemeth Thee. ​

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No God is there but Thee, the God of power, the God of glory, Whose help is implored by all men.​