The Absurdity of Calvinism

[GodsGrace]

This is absolutely the BEST ANALOGY of the incorrect soteriology of the Reformed/Calvinist faith that
I have ever come across.

Calvinism makes no logical sense. The video is about this.
It's not biblical.
It does not represent the God the rest of Christiandom knows and loves.
It does not represent the love God has for us.
Thankfully.
Our God is a different God than is portrayed by the Reformed/Calvinists.

 

[Dizerner]

Presents a misrepresenting straw man of both Calvinism and Arminianism.

Promotes the demonic doctrine of eternal security leading more people to hell than Calvinism does.

Denies God his place of absolute authority and bases its objections on exalting man to an idolatrous place.

This video is absolute trash.

 

[GodsGrace]

Presents a misrepresenting straw man of both Calvinism and Arminianism.

Promotes the demonic doctrine of eternal security leading more people to hell than Calvinism does.

Denies God his place of absolute authority and bases its objections on exalting man to an idolatrous place.

This video is absolute trash.

This is your opinion Dizerner.
Quite frankly, I don't really understand your position on soteriology, but no matter.
I'm not really here to debate everything little thing about Christianity.
What I'm most interested in is the doctrine of OSAS and Reformed/Calvinist theology.

I DO believe the video shows a really good analogy of Calvinism.
They state that God predetermines everything,,,but somehow they are still responsible for personal sin.
This is illogical and absurd.
They also state that there is a "general call".
Actually, this is biblical....God calls everyone, in a general way, to salvation.
Of course in Calvinist theology there's a different meaning.

Just as there's a different meaning with many terms Calvinism uses.
They sound correct...but behind them lurks a most hideous theology.

I suppose we each have our own understanding of scripture (which is very wrong BTW)
so all we could do is express our beliefs and concerns.

 

[civic]

This is absolutely the BEST ANALOGY of the incorrect soteriology of the Reformed/Calvinist faith that
I have ever come across.

Calvinism makes no logical sense. The video is about this.
It's not biblical.
It does not represent the God the rest of Christiandom knows and loves.
It does not represent the love God has for us.
Thankfully.
Our God is a different God than is portrayed by the Reformed/Calvinists.

I like the story which illustrates the theology.

He is right about the Westminster confession 3.1 and its contradiction. God has ordained whatsoever comes to pass. Gods decree.

 

[GodsGrace]

I like the story which illustrates the theology.

He is right about the Westminster confession 3.1 and its contradiction. God has ordained whatsoever comes to pass. Gods decree.

Right Civic......
This is how the reformed reason:
GOD PREDESTINATED EVERYTHING BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
BUT GOD DID NOT PREDESTINATE EVERYTHING.

They pick the sentence that most suits what they wish you to believe at any given moment.
EVEN THOUGH they CONFLICT 100% !

Calvinism is absurd.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Right Civic......
This is how the reformed reason:
GOD PREDESTINATED EVERYTHING BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
BUT GOD DID NOT PREDESTINATE EVERYTHING.

They pick the sentence that most suits what they wish you to believe at any given moment.
EVEN THOUGH they CONFLICT 100% !

Calvinism is absurd.

Hi Godsgrace and @civic

What is puzzling to me is that absurd theologies do not seem to produce absurd lives. I mean, at no higher rate than less absurd theologies.
I would be really surprised to know that Calvinists are less righteous or loving than non-Calvinists.

My hypothesis (which of course can be wrong) is that Calvinists do not believe, deep inside, many aspects of what they preach. They post statements to defend their theological stance because what they are defending, in the end of the day, is their communal and individual identity, self-esteem and even spiritual security (“I must be right, because salvation is all about being right. That proves I am one of the elected.”)

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The most loving, prudent, wisest friend I had in an Internet Forum was a Calvinist… Ricardo, an Uruguayan man of 83 years.
He loved me with Christian love. How could that man love me, a lost soul, a non-Christian apostate, thinking that God Himself did not love me?
How could that man do anything to save me, and think at the same time that God will not do anything to save me?

I think the same applies to friends like @brightfame52. He for sure loves persons who do not share his views and who will die without believing them. He for sure wishes them the best and will always keep wishing them the best in the afterlife… and He knows deep inside that God cannot be less caring, less loving than him.

 

[GodsGrace]

Hi Godsgrace and @civic

What is puzzling to me is that absurd theologies do not seem to produce absurd lives. I mean, at no higher rate than less absurd theologies.
I would be really surprised to know that Calvinists are less righteous or loving than non-Calvinists.

No one is saying that Calvinists are less righteous.
I DO believe that they change the nature of God with their theology,
but I also believe that theology is not what saves us, but our faith and our obedience.

So we must separate the theology from the person.
Absurd theology might create very good lives.
BUT the theology is still absurd.
It's absurd because IT MAKES NO SENSE.
It's not LOGICAL.
God is a logical God and I believe the bible is a logical book.
Reformed/calvinist theology creates many conflicts in scripture...
I've said this from the first day I joined this forum and have given many examples.
I know you can't have read every one of my posts...but this has been shown by me and others to be the case.

There cannot be conflict in scripture or it becomes unreliable.

My hypothesis (which of course can be wrong) is that Calvinists do not believe, deep inside, many aspects of what they preach. They post statements to defend their theological stance because what they are defending, in the end of the day, is their communal and individual identity, self-esteem and even spiritual security (“I must be right, because salvation is all about being right. That proves I am one of the elected.”)

Well Pancho,,,IF a member posts what they do not really believe...,
HOW DO YOU TRUST THAT MEMBER'S STATEMENTS?

And regarding your last sentence:
(“I must be right, because salvation is all about being right. That proves I am one of the elected.”)

Why would anyone doubt their salvation?
I CHOOSE to follow Jesus....I KNOW I have chosen Him.

Calvinists have a problem with this because they believe God has chosen them.
So how can anyone be really sure they have been chosen?
They cannot.

Mainline Christians do not have to worry about whether or not they are of the elect.

The most loving, prudent, wisest friend I had in an Internet Forum was a Calvinist… Ricardo, an Uruguayan man of 83 years.
He loved me with Christian love. How could that man love me, a lost soul, a non-Christian apostate,

Pancho...,you're misundersanding something.

WHO SAID that a calvinist is a lost soul?
WHO SAID a calvinist is an apostate?

Because someone has their theology wrong does not make them
either lost or apostate.

thinking that God Himself did not love me?
How could that man do anything to save me, and think at the same time that God will not do anything to save me?

Not sure what you mean here.

I think the same applies to friends like @brightfame52. He for sure loves persons who do not share his views

Hmmm. I'm not too sure about that.
You'd have to ask him.
Some calvinists belittle those that do not agree with them, make fun of them, and DO state that they are not saved.

and who will die without believing them. He for sure wishes them the best and will always keep wishing them the best in the afterlife… and He knows deep inside that God cannot be less caring, less loving than him.

Well, this is what you THINK Pancho.
It does not mean that this is the reality.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

No one is saying that Calvinists are less righteous.

Not you, my sister.

I DO believe that they change the nature of God with their theology,
but I also believe that theology is not what saves us, but our faith and our obedience.

So we must separate the theology from the person.
Absurd theology might create very good lives.
BUT the theology is still absurd.

I fully agree… and I praised God for the light and freshness you bring to this Forum.

Well Pancho,,,IF a member posts what they do not really believe...,
HOW DO YOU TRUST THAT MEMBER'S STATEMENTS?

I’m not sure… but I have chosen to try to confront them with their own deeper moral convictions. I believe they all are noble.

And regarding your last sentence:
(“I must be right, because salvation is all about being right. That proves I am one of the elected.”)

Why would anyone doubt their salvation?
I CHOOSE to follow Jesus....I KNOW I have chosen Him.

Perhaps because
1) living in permanent doubt means living in permanent fear, which pay$ the bill$ of sectarian leader$ interested in keeping people under their influence.
2) pretending to live in permanent doubt confers that person a social reputation of God-fearing holiness that turns to be an advantage in manipulating the minds of others.
3) people live in guilt due to past errors and need psychological support from a therapist. Guilt can be both a life saver and a life killer.

Calvinists have a problem with this because they believe God has chosen them.
So how can anyone be really sure they have been chosen?
They cannot.

I agree.

Mainline Christians do not have to worry about whether or not they are of the elect.

Pancho...,you're misundersanding something.

WHO SAID that a calvinist is a lost soul?
WHO SAID a calvinist is an apostate?

Not you, my sister. Not you.
But debates with Calvinists in this Forum are flooded by crazy statements.
My post was not to rebuke you on anything!

Because someone has their theology wrong does not make them
either lost or apostate.

Amen.