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No just your theology that doesn’t line up with scriptureThen scripture would be a unreliable source of truth
No just your theology that doesn’t line up with scriptureThen scripture would be a unreliable source of truth
Elect unbelievers are in Christ and have never been under Gods wrath for sin. Even as unbelievers the elect are part of His Body of which He is Head and is Saviour Eph 5 23The elect are those in Christ.
Unbelievers, however, are not in Christ.
Sorry, but that is unbiblical, as unbelievers are not in the body of Christ.Elect unbelievers are in Christ and have never been under Gods wrath for sin. Even as unbelievers the elect are part of His Body of which He is Head and is Saviour Eph 5 23
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
How can you be part of His Body that needed saved and not be in the body of His
Yes they are if ElectSorry, but that is unbiblical, as unbelievers are not in the body of Christ.
NopeYes they are if Elect
Yes it’s as simple as that to understand.Nope
One must have the Spirit to belong to Christ
Romans 8:9 (LEB) — 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, this person does not belong to him.
Unbelievers, therefore, not having the Spirit, do not belong to Christ.
That is, they are not in Christ.
He seems to enjoy a pretzel diet.Yes it’s as simple as that to understand.
Amazing how some will twist scripture into a pretzellol.
Yes they are, that's why they shall believe, in fact unless all the elect have been converted and the second coming is imminent, their are people now if elect, seated with Christ in the heavenlies, and haven't yet been born of adams corrupt seed yet.Nope
NopeYes they are, that's why they shall believe, in fact unless all the elect have been converted and the second coming is imminent, their are people now if elect, seated with Christ in the heavenlies, and haven't yet been born of adams corrupt seed yet.
One must have the Spirit to belong to Christ
Romans 8:9 (LEB) — 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, this person does not belong to him.
Unbelievers, therefore, not having the Spirit, do not belong to Christ.
That is, they are not in Christ.
Yes.Nope
You ignored scriptureYes.
Romans 8:9 (LEB) — 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, this person does not belong to him.
Unbelievers, therefore, not having the Spirit, do not belong to Christ.
That is, they are not in Christ.
This is true but in a relative sense and not absolutely.The elect were in Christ B4 the foundation of the world.One must have the Spirit to belong to Christ
Romans 8:9 (LEB) — 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, this person does not belong to him.
Sorry, but nowhere do we read of anyone in Christ before the foundation of the world.@TomL
This is true but in a relative sense and not absolutely.The elect were in Christ B4 the foundation of the world.
Sure some of us do, In Eph 1:4, a Chosen seed was chosen in Him, just as a people were chosen in Adam in the beginning. So in Adam all die, likewise in Christ all shall be made alive. 1 Cor 15 22Sorry, but nowhere do we read of anyone in Christ before the foundation of the world.
Um the verse comes nowhere close to saying they were in Christ while being in a state of unbeliefSure some of us do, In Eph 1:4, a Chosen seed was chosen in Him, just as a people were chosen in Adam in the beginning. So in Adam all die, likewise in Christ all shall be made alive. 1 Cor 15 22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Do you deny as well all men were in Adam in the beginning at creation ?
Were men in Adam b4 they existed naturally Yes or NoUm the verse comes nowhere close to saying they were in Christ while being in a state of unbelief
NoWere men in Adam b4 they existed naturally Yes or No
Yes they were. Was levi in Abraham ad payed tithes b4 he existed according to Heb 7:9-10
Yes they were. Was levi in Abraham ad payed tithes b4 he existed according to Heb 7:9-10
9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
AmenBut Levi still had to pay his own tithes. His biological tissue traces back into Abraham but he wasn't alive back then. Levi inherited Abraham's covenant environment. It didn't guarantee that his descendents or Levi would keep it.