Peterlag
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We don't see what you see. And you don't see what we see.
Starts Now The Deity of Jesus Christ True or False?
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Runningman
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This would go a lot smoother for you if you could even show anything that describes or explains God to be a trinity. Or even anything about Jesus saying or doing anything in the old testament. Any prophecies of him incarnating, but you don't got jack squat. Your god is a pagan myth.
Ready to know who the one and only true God is?
John 17
3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
DavidTree
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Correction: i SEE what you are saying
You are correct in saying: "We don't see what you SEE"
DavidTree
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Three Important facts here:
#1 - You are avoiding a simple grade school level Biblical question.
#2 - You quoted John 17:3 which Says there are TWO Persons who alone give Eternal Life = The FATHER and JESUS CHRIST
#3 - The THIRD Person is the HOLY SPIRIT = the Spirit of Truth
Runningman
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Partially true since John 17:2 does state that God gave Jesus the authority to give eternal life, but since you show awareness of how to count, how many of them are said to be the only true God?
Peterlag
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It is written...
John 5:26-27
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
DavidTree
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The only True God is not without the Word who was God and the Holy Spirit who also is God.
Thusly John 17 states this = "to know the only true God and and and JESUS CHRIST who came from the only True God.
The Hebrew word for God is Elohim and is Plural.
The Plurality of Elohim sent the Word that was Elohim to become the only begotten SON of the FATHER.
Believe JESUS = "And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me."
Runningman
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The Father being the "only true God" is an objective statement that cannot be altered by other verses. It says He's the "only" true God. Only means there are no others. It means you can't add others too. For example, you're the only one with the DavidTree handle on this site. If there were others with the same handle "DavidTree" you wouldn't be the only one anymore. Make sense? So the way the Bible defines God isn't compatible with what you're saying.
DavidTree
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The only True God is THREE Persons known as ELohim FATHER Elohim Son Elohim Holy Spirit
All THREE are mentioned in the Gospel pertaining to Salvation.
Remove any One of the THREE and there is no Salvation for man.
DavidTree
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Please answer the simple question from Post 278
Runningman
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The answer is C, but Jesus is still in his own class of holy ones, unique, a notch above the rest, but Scripture teaches that Jesus isn't equal to or greater than God. We also know Jesus isn't an angelic being, if by that you mean a cherubim or seraphim, but he is an angel in the sense of being a messenger
DavidTree
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How can JESUS be in 'C' when the Scripture Says: "All have SINNED and fallen short of the Glory of God"
JESUS never sinned and neither was HE born in sin!!!
You and i along with the entire human race were born under sin - except for JESUS.
So it is not possible that HE is 'C' because:
#1 - HE never sinned and "no sin was found in Him"
#2 - The Word that was God became flesh = JESUS
#3 - The FATHER Says "Let all the angels worship JESUS"
#4 - There is only One Name by which you can be Saved = the Lord Jesus Christ who is the Savior!!!
#5 - Since His FATHER is God, and not a man, that makes JESUS equal with His FATHER as they are HIGHEST Divine Being
Peterlag
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The word "elohim" in Genesis 1:1 does not prove that Jesus is God or that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. The word "elohim" is indeed grammatically plural, but in Hebrew it often functions as asingular title, especially when referring to the one true God. This is called a plural of majesty, and not a numerical plural of persons. The verb created "bara" is singular, showing that only one acted. So while "elohim" can function like "police" sometimes singular and sometimes plural the verb form makes it clear: a single God created. The one true God acted alone through His own spiritual body often referred to as His "logos" and not through multiple divine persons. There is no trinity here and no conversation between separate minds. Just one God expressing Himself. Here's how a friend of mine wrote it... The word "elohim" is always found in the plural form and is often called a uniplural noun. A uniplural noun is a word that appears in the plural form, but is used for singular and plural subjects alike. Words like “deer” and “fish” are examples of uniplural nouns in English. The word "elohim" as with many Hebrew words carries more than one definition. When it's being used in a plural sense, it refers to “gods” or “men with authority.” When it's used in its singular sense, it can refer to “God” or “a god” or “a man with authority, such as a judge.”
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So. at moment I will not, because I have too many things going on to discuss another subject, but will later, the Lord willing, just not now.
Peterlag
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The Greek word for Lord is kurios and is a masculine title of respect...
and nobility, which is why we see many others besides God and Jesus being called the “Lord."- Property owners are called the "Lord" (Matthew 20:8) kurios is “owner” in the NIV.
- Heads of households are called the "Lord" (Mark 13:35) kurios is "owner."
- Slave owners were called the "Lord" (Matthew 10:24) kurios is "master."
- Husbands were called the "Lord" (1 Peter 3:6) kurios is "master" in the NIV.
- A son called his father the "Lord" (Matthew 21:30) kurios is "sir."
- The Roman Emperor was called the "Lord" (Acts 25:26) kurios is "His Majesty."
- Roman authorities were called the "Lord" (Matthew 27:63) kurios is "sir."
Runningman
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You're close, but sin is something someone does, not something they are born with, like a disease or genetic trait. People are not born breaking God's laws.
1 John 3
4Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness.
Yes
Means Jesus was created.
Yes, but it's not the same idea like calling on the name of God to be saved. God and Jesus have different names. Jesus is God's human messiah.
Acts 2
21And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’
22Men of Israel, listen to this message: Jesus of Nazareth was a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know
They are not equal.
John 14
28...the Father is greater than I.
DavidTree
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Well cartoons are useful if their intended meaning are correct.
However, this cartoon shows that the promoter is ignorant of "the Word that was God became flesh".
Therefore the Scripture declares this by the Holy Spirit = Phil 2:5-11
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God,
did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
And being found in appearance as a man,
He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
DavidTree
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The Holy Spirit Says you are in error - Psalm 51:5 and Romans 5:12
And in sin my mother conceived me.
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—
Runningman
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In his mother's sin he was conceived.
It's not like how you think. Jesus died and he didn't sin right?
Peterlag
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Philippians 2:6 is not a teaching on the trinity or that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. After saying that Christ was in the form of God, Philippians 2:6 goes on to say that Christ “considered being equal with God not something to be grasped at.” If Jesus were God, then it would make no sense at all to say that he did not “grasp” at equality with God because no one grasps at equality with himself. Some Trinitarians say, “Well, he was not grasping for equality with the Father.” That is not what the verse says. It says Christ did not grasp at equality with God, which makes the verse nonsense if he were God.
The Greek word morphē does not refer to the essential nature of Christ in that context. If the point of the verse is to say that Jesus is God, then why not just say that? If Jesus is God, say that, don’t say he has the “essential nature of God.” Of course God has the “essential nature” of God, so why would anyone make that point? This verse does not say “Jesus being God” but rather “being in the form of God.” Paul is reminding the Philippians that Jesus represented the Father in every possible way.
From the Septuagint and their other writings, the Jews were familiar with morphē referring to the outward appearance, including the form of men and idols. To the Greeks, it also referred to the outward appearance, including the changing outward appearance of their gods and the form of statues. The only other New Testament use of morphē outside Philippians is in Mark, and there it refers to the outward appearance. Also, the words related to morphē clearly refer to an outward manifestation or appearance. The word morphē refers to anoutward appearance or manifestation. Jesus Christ was in the outward appearance of God, so much so that he said, “He who has seen me has seenthe Father.” Christ always did the Father’s will, and perfectly represented his Father in every way.
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