Peterlag
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Is there a verse that says Jesus was God?
Is there a verse where Jesus said he was God?
Is there a verse where God said He was Jesus?
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Is there a verse where Jesus said he was God?
Is there a verse where God said He was Jesus?
DavidTree
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You will find out the opposite. LORD=YHVH(Jehovah)-- The true living God, the one whose will it is for his name to be in HIS bible over 7000 spots. Yet condemned by the ones who teach you. This is 100% fact= Gods will = his name in his bible, satans will = remove Gods name and replace it with titles to mislead. We all choose whose will we support.( Matt 7:21).
Runningman
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No.
Runningman
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Jesus is a man who is a holy one, like the other saints, but God is the Holy One. "Be holy as He is holy." You're focusing wayyyyy to much on this title. Being holy isn't a characteristic that is unique of God.
DavidTree
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We, who know the LORD = YHVW =The True Living Elohim = KNOW who HE IS = "IAM the Way the Truth and the LIFE"
YES = God's Name is in the Bible = It is the Name given to His only Begotten Son = YHVW YAHshua HaMashiach
Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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Peterlag
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Hey @Red Baker this was written by @Runningman and I was wondering if he's on to something here...
God's words are not a person external to Himself anymore than wisdom is a literal woman, the church a literal bride, sin a literal predator/master, death as a taunting enemy, creation as a worshiper, wealth/mammon a master, cities being females, love and mercy being active beings. The Bible is filled with personification of things like words, wisdom, or otherwise. Imagine how absurd it would be to argue that the church as a bride is a literal woman.
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God's words are not a person external to Himself anymore than wisdom is a literal woman, the church a literal bride, sin a literal predator/master, death as a taunting enemy, creation as a worshiper, wealth/mammon a master, cities being females, love and mercy being active beings. The Bible is filled with personification of things like words, wisdom, or otherwise. Imagine how absurd it would be to argue that the church as a bride is a literal woman.
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Peterlag
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Here's some data for your review @Red Baker
Adam is called a “type” of Jesus Christ (Romans 5:14). The word translated as “type” in many English versions is the translation of the Greek word tupos (τύπος) which can be defined as “a type, pattern, model, or example of something else.” Although the KJV translates tuposas “figure” most of the more modern versions say “pattern” (NIV), “prototype” (HCSB), or “type” (ESV, NAB, NASB). Adam was a type, prototype, or pattern of Christ because he was fully human and began without a sin nature—and Jesus was the same: fully human and made without a sin nature. The reason no other human male after Adam could be a “type” of Christ is that we are all born with a sin nature. Adam could not be a “type” of Christ if Jesus was 100% man and 100% God because Adam did not have a “God-nature.”
Adam is called a “type” of Jesus Christ (Romans 5:14). The word translated as “type” in many English versions is the translation of the Greek word tupos (τύπος) which can be defined as “a type, pattern, model, or example of something else.” Although the KJV translates tuposas “figure” most of the more modern versions say “pattern” (NIV), “prototype” (HCSB), or “type” (ESV, NAB, NASB). Adam was a type, prototype, or pattern of Christ because he was fully human and began without a sin nature—and Jesus was the same: fully human and made without a sin nature. The reason no other human male after Adam could be a “type” of Christ is that we are all born with a sin nature. Adam could not be a “type” of Christ if Jesus was 100% man and 100% God because Adam did not have a “God-nature.”
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Even some of the other things that he mentioned are not totally personifications: the church is literally the bride of Jesus Christ, a marriage and supper yet to take place. Death is an enemy yet to be destroyed.
I have no ideal what he is trying to say with the first part of the statement: "God's words are not a person external to Himself"?
Even some of the other things that he mentioned are not totally personifications: the church is literally the bride of Jesus Christ, a marriage and supper yet to take place. Death is an enemy yet to be destroyed.
Adam was indeed a figure of Jesus Christ.
Since Adam’s sin is imputed to men, therefore Adam is the figure of Jesus Christ (Romans 4:6-8; 5:12). The substitutionary life and death of Jesus are imputed to God’s elect (2nd Corinthians 5:21; Ist Peter 2:24). Adam is a figure of Jesus Christ according to the testimony of Scripture (Ist Corinthians 15:21-22,45-49). The comparison, teaches unconditional eternal life by Jesus alone. Adam is still a figure today: Paul is still using him as a figure, and men are still sinners by him.
The analogy between Adam and Christ is the role they fill in representing two groups of men.
You said: "Adam could not be a “type” of Christ if Jesus was 100% man and 100% God because Adam did not have a “God-nature.”
Paul is speaking concerning each being the representative of their people. Jesus Christ being made the surety of God's elect. All that he did is freely imputed to the elect. Adam stood as a representative of his posterity, in his sin free nature by being created upright and given all he needed to continue in the state in which God created him.
Runningman
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So you believe that the church is literally a woman, even though it has men in it, and that Jesus is going to get married to men? Please think before you say things like "the church is literally the bride of Christ." Jesus is not going to be marrying and men and I doubt he will get married to an actual woman. Also, your theory contradicts the one man to one woman teaching of a Scriptural marriage. The church is personified as a bride. It's not literal.
Peterlag
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Don't mean to get off topic but the bride of Christ is not literal...
Although Bible teachers know Israel is not a woman, they are confused about the words “bride” or “wife” and invest more literal meaning into those terms than they are meant to communicate. Furthermore, because those teachers do not understand that “bride” is simply a comparison, they try to figure out who is the bride and when the marriage occurs. We do not get confused when Israel or Judah is called a lioness (Ezekiel 19:2), a horse (Jeremiah 5:8), a vine (Jeremiah 2:21), a camel (Jermiah 2:23), or a wild donkey (Jeremiah 2:24). In a similar way, we should not get confused when God calls His people a “daughter” or “virgin” or “bride” or “wife.” There are so many spoken and unspoken emotions, expectations, and commitments between a man and a woman that it is more succinct and powerful for God to occasionally refer to His people as a “daughter” or “virgin” or “wife” than to try to describe the relationship in a large paragraph.
The female figurative terms that God uses to describe His people include “daughter” (Micah 4:8), “virgin daughter” (Jeremiah 14:17), “virgin” (Jermiah 18:13; 31:4, 21; Amos 5:2), “sister” (Ezekiel 16:45, 52; 23:11), “espoused” or “bride” (Jermiah 2:2), “wife” (Ezekiel 16:8, 32; 23:4, Isaiah 54:6; Jermiah 3:1-14; Hosea 2:7), and “mother” (Ezekiel 16:20, 36; 23:4; Hosea 2:2). These terms do not just refer to the women of Israel, but to both men and women collectively. It's misunderstanding the figures of comparison for a man to think that when God’s people are called a “virgin daughter” the meaning God is importing into the text does not apply to him because he's a man. Similarly, women should realize they are included when God’s people are called “sons.” When God calls His people a “vine” we know the term applies to both men and women, and similarly when God uses hypocatastasis and refers to Israel as a “bride” the term includes both men and women.
There are many ways we can tell that the female terms God uses to describe His people are figures of speech. One of them is by comparing the terms themselves. It's not possible for Israel to literally be a virgin daughter and also God’s wife at the same time. Furthermore, in the Old Testament God married Israel and Judah, and although He divorced Israel, He is going to be married to her again in the future under the New Covenant (Hosea 2:16-25). But in the Four Gospels and the book of Revelation, Jesus Christ is the bridegroom, not God (Matthew 9:15; John 3:29; Revelation 21:9). This should catch our attention because in the Law of Moses a person could not have sexual relations with his father’s wife, so legally Jesus cannot be the “bridegroom” and marry his Father’s wife (Leviticus 18:8, 15; 20:11, 12). The solution to that “problem” is that the marriages are not literal, they are figures of speech used to describe the personal relationship that both God and Christ will have with the people.
P.S. And that was for Isreal. Christians belong to the body of Christ. Another figure.
DavidTree
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He is attempting to separate symbolic Truth from literal Truth.
By doing so, they undermine the Truth of who the FATHER, the SON the HOLY SPIRIT and the BRIDE actually are.
Notice how @Peterlag @Runningman @Kiew1 are unwilling to answer the simple question in Post 278
Peterlag
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It's not that we are unwilling. It's sometimes you folks ask such goofy questions that make no sense. Like for example this one...
Please choose the correct answer from the Holy Scriptures.
Question #2 - Which Holy One is JESUS?
a.) The Holy One spoken of by Isaiah who is Elohim and thusly Israel's Maker. No verse so I have no idea what you're referring to.
b.) one of the holy ones = holy angels No verse so I have no idea what you're referring to.
c.) a man who is a holy one - same as any other Believer in Elohim from the OT till today. No verse so I have no idea what you're referring to.
DavidTree
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Please explain how the question is "goofy".
Runningman
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Please show where there is an example of the trinity in the Bible in the first place. There are no working examples of a "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" who are said to be three persons/beings/essences/substances God even once in the entire body of Scripture. Forgive us if we don't believe you, but we keep sticking with what the Bible says instead.
Runningman
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That angels and humans are also holy ones in the Bible, it's quite problematic for the trinitarian. Jesus being God's holy one is a great argument against their claim that Jesus is allegedly God. Actually, there are tons of names and titles that God is called but Jesus isn't in the Bible. Notice how they only ever focus on the titles God and Jesus share, but completely ignore it when other humans and angels share the same titles or when there are titles God has that Jesus doesn't.
DavidTree
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THINK THINK THINK
If what you are claiming is true, then The FATHER , The SON and The HOLY SPIRIT would not be mentioned throughout the Scriptures!!!
You would only see 'God' spoken of and no one else!!!
Your were created to THINK thru believing every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God = Matthew 4:4
Now who was it that said this???
THINK/FATHER THINK/SON THINK/HOLY SPIRIT = TRUTH
Peterlag
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I don't understand the question and I see no Scripture involved with it?
DavidTree
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Grade school level question.
If you do not understand the question, how can you claim you know the Truth of JESUS???
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