Starts Now The Deity of Jesus Christ True or False?

[Peterlag]

Dear @Red Baker,

This is how I responded to @360watt who also thinks he answered my question. But as you can see he did not. Behold...

Now you said you already gave me the verse that says why God would come to the earth. So then I posted this...

Can I see the verse that you say you have given that tells us what God accomplished by coming to the earth? In other words what was His reason to come to the earth? For Him to do what?

Then you replied with Hebrews 1:3 and 1 Peter 2:24.

Hebrews says Jesus being the brightness of God's glory sat down. The verse says nothing about why God would come to the earth as a man. The verse does not even mention God coming to the earth.

1 Peter says Jesus bare our sins on the tree and we know that resulted in us having redemption, propitiation, and justification. But the verse says nothing about why God would come to the earth as a man. The verse does not even mention God coming to the earth.
Here's the OP again...

Why would God come to the Earth as a man? What would that produce? Romans says a man (Adam) caused sin to enter into the world, and also that a man would have to redeem it from sin. Romans 5:15 says “For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.” The Bible specifically says that a man must do it. The book of Corinthians makes the same point Romans does when it says “For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead” (1 Corinthians 15:21).

So if a man had to redeem us? Then what was the purpose for God to come? What did He accomplish by coming?

 

[Red Baker]

@Peterlag

Saying my question has been answered when it has not does not mean it has.

Peter, that is so, as I said, we shall let others judge, of course each one of us, will think we have done our job in answering. I do believe we have in the one question you have given, yet others will determine since we cannot be our own Judge, since every man is right in his own eyes.

Nobody so far has come up with a verse that tells us why or what God could accomplish by coming to the earth.

The Son of God accomplished in the flesh what no other could do, in obeying the word of God in thoughts, word, and deeds, from conception until he offered up himself for the sins of his people and paid their sin debt. He was their surety before God's law, what he did was as though they did, his faith and obedience was put to their account as though they did it perfectly.

This is the teaching of Romans 5:12-19 ~ if you want to go there, then no problem we can. with a separate post addressing only Romans 5:12-19 in depth. But for now:

Romans 5:18​

"Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one (man) shall many be made righteous."

Only the Son of God could keep the law of God perfectly, and proved that to be so. This is why he came to do what no man could do. Peter, by being God's only begotten son, in the manner in which he was begotten/conceived, makes him equal to God, since he was indeed the express image of God, and proved it by perfect faith and obedience as a man.

Hebrews 8:7

“For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:”

These two scriptures tells us why we have to main covenants, each with two heads of their posterity. The first Adam and a second Adam one from the earth, the other the Lord from heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:47​

“The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”

You asked: "what God could accomplish by coming to the earth"?
To do what the first Adam could not do! Secured eternal redemption for God's people, and he did indeed when he cried out: "IT IS FINISNED" by doing the work of reconciliation for the elect of God, by being made sin for us, that we may be made the righteousness of God in him.

2nd Corinthians 5:21​

“For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”

Thus far, I have answered your question from at least three different avenues, and may do it again from a totally different way since I have not even begun to scratch the surface of the purpose of Christ coming into the world.

 

[Red Baker]

A few things in response to what you just wrote...

1.) Saying you are the son of God does not make you God.
2.) There is no Scripture that says the enemies of Jesus thought he was God.
3.) There is no verse that says no mam could be the sacrificial Lamb without spot or blemish.

1) Of course not, since I was not begotten in the manner in Jesus was, according to Luke 1. God created a new man within me, after the image of Jesus Christ.

2) Never said that, what I said was by Jesus saying God was his Father THEY CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD what that meant, that he was making himself equal to God, which you folks refuse to even acknowledge. Listen carefully:

John 5:18​

“Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.”

You see Peter, once Christ said that God was his Father, they "KNEW" what that meant. Why do not you, @Keiw1 @Runningman and @ Studyman understand this truth? My Son is what I am, etc. Every thing producing after its own kind. always has, always will. The Law of Reproduction is simply stated: in nature and among men, one kind. reproduces its own kind. Trees reproduce trees, flowers reproduce flowers, and trees do. Each shares it own exact likeness.

Genesis 1:12​

“And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.”

You said: "There is no verse that says no man could be the sacrificial Lamb without spot or blemish."

Not sure what you are trying to say, maybe you can explain yourself a little better, and then I will answer you,

 

[Runningman]

I "never" said what you are saying, never even hinted what you are saying! You are assuming I believe and teach in the eternal Sonship doctrine which I reject as heresy. Jesus Christ "was not eternally generated," that would put me in the same boat with heretics like you on that doctrine, for it destroys the deity of Jesus Christ as being the God of Genesis 1:1, which I firmly believe in and teach; so I would be very careful how I word my sentences.

The burden of proof is on you to prove I said what you accuse me of saying, I'm no novice, I carefully chose my words, which you will soon see, if you last very long. I teach in the incarnate Sonship position. God had no son until Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost around two thousand years ago. Only in God purposes did He purpose to sent his Son into the world to secured the salvation of God's elect.

You will never win a argument with me concerning the deity of Jesus Christ being God manifest in the flesh, since you do not have the truth ~ not so much that I'm very smart for I'm not, I just have the truth on this subject.

You seem to not be aware of what you quoted in the comment I replied to. You had cited Galataians 4:4 which says "God sent His Son" and my commentary regarding that is that the Son who was sent by God is a human, not a pre-existent Son. If you are agreeing with me about this I will accept that.

 

[Runningman]

I have not even started my argument in favor of Jesus' deity, but will once you have exhausted your position. which its beginning to seem you have. Give me the red light when you are ready..

I leaving early Friday morning to head up north to see my first great-grandson. My wife and I stated out around 58 and half years ago as two, now we are are tribe of 25. sorta like Jacob of old. The older grandchildren are getting married and starting their own family.

The only draw back is that we have Clemson Tigers...UNC Tarheels ... Auburn Tigers ..... University of South Carolina Gamecock .... North Carolina State Wolfpack .... Georgia Tech and a few others in our family. Most are Clemson Tigers where my children went and some of the grandchildren, and some still going

So, I'll be off the grid for around three days or so.

Heading to bed, in a few.

The position won't be exhausted. Enjoy your vacation sir.

 

[Peterlag]

1) Of course not, since I was not begotten in the manner in Jesus was, according to Luke 1. God created a new man within me, after the image of Jesus Christ.

2) Never said that, what I said was by Jesus saying God was his Father THEY CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD what that meant, that he was making himself equal to God, which you folks refuse to even acknowledge. Listen carefully:

John 5:18​

“Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.”

You see Peter, once Christ said that God was his Father, they "KNEW" what that meant. Why do not you, @Keiw1 @Runningman and @ Studyman understand this truth? My Son is what I am, etc. Every thing producing after its own kind. always has, always will. The Law of Reproduction is simply stated: in nature and among men, one kind. reproduces its own kind. Trees reproduce trees, flowers reproduce flowers, and trees do. Each shares it own exact likeness.

Genesis 1:12​

“And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.”

You said: "There is no verse that says no man could be the sacrificial Lamb without spot or blemish."

Not sure what you are trying to say, maybe you can explain yourself a little better, and then I will answer you,

1.) I have no idea what this means...
Of course not, since I was not begotten in the manner in Jesus was, according to Luke 1. God created a new man within me, after the image of Jesus Christ.

2.) Saying you are the son of God does not make you God. It does put you in the same family to whatever the Father has. If you're a king then the son would be a prince and therefore share in the kingdom on equal ground pertaining to the kingdom. If your dad is a business owner then it would put you on equal ground in the family business to share in the wealth and even run the business later on. The Jews understood that custom and even we do today in our country.

3.) Page 236 you said this...
Yes, I agree, and that reason was there was NO MAN or angels, that could be that sacrificial Lamb without spot or blemish , to be offer up for the sins of the world, Jews and Gentiles, God's very elect among each. God laid help upon his very own Son for the love he had for his elect, that he sent his son into the world, to paid the wages of sin for them, which was death.

Then I said this...
There is no verse that says no mam could be the sacrificial Lamb without spot or blemish.

 

[Peterlag]

@Peterlag

Peter, that is so, as I said, we shall let others judge, of course each one of us, will think we have done our job in answering. I do believe we have in the one question you have given, yet others will determine since we cannot be our own Judge, since every man is right in his own eyes.

The Son of God accomplished in the flesh what no other could do, in obeying the word of God in thoughts, word, and deeds, from conception until he offered up himself for the sins of his people and paid their sin debt. He was their surety before God's law, what he did was as though they did, his faith and obedience was put to their account as though they did it perfectly.

This is the teaching of Romans 5:12-19 ~ if you want to go there, then no problem we can. with a separate post addressing only Romans 5:12-19 in depth. But for now:

Romans 5:18​

"Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one (man) shall many be made righteous."

Only the Son of God could keep the law of God perfectly, and proved that to be so. This is why he came to do what no man could do. Peter, by being God's only begotten son, in the manner in which he was begotten/conceived, makes him equal to God, since he was indeed the express image of God, and proved it by perfect faith and obedience as a man.

Hebrews 8:7

“For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:”

These two scriptures tells us why we have to main covenants, each with two heads of their posterity. The first Adam and a second Adam one from the earth, the other the Lord from heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:47​

“The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”

You asked: "what God could accomplish by coming to the earth"?
To do what the first Adam could not do! Secured eternal redemption for God's people, and he did indeed when he cried out: "IT IS FINISNED" by doing the work of reconciliation for the elect of God, by being made sin for us, that we may be made the righteousness of God in him.

2nd Corinthians 5:21​

“For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”

Thus far, I have answered your question from at least three different avenues, and may do it again from a totally different way since I have not even begun to scratch the surface of the purpose of Christ coming into the world.

You seem to continue to use language that is useless as a tool for communication. You say...

Only the Son of God could keep the law of God perfectly, and proved that to be so. This is why he came to do what no man could do. Peter, by being God's only begotten son, in the manner in which he was begotten/conceived, makes him equal to God, since he was indeed the express image of God, and proved it by perfect faith and obedience as a man.

And thus, reason and logic are no longer in play here since you have decided that the "son of God" means "equal to God" and therefore must be God.

 

[Keiw1]

Romans 3:23-25 KJV - 3 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

1 ...all have sinned.. everyone is imperfect in the sense of not being sinless

2... justified by redemption through Jesus Christ... Jesus has to be perfect in the sinless sense to be the ultimate lamb

If all are imperfect in the sense of not being sinless

And Jesus is perfect in the sense of sinlessness.

Jesus is then God.

All angels in good standing have NEVER sinned. So your reasoning about Jesus is not fact.

 

[Red Baker]

@Runningman

You seem to not be aware of what you quoted in the comment I replied to. You had cited Galataians 4:4 which says "God sent His Son" and my commentary regarding that is that the Son who was sent by God is a human, not a pre-existent Son. If you are agreeing with me about this I will accept that.

No sir, it is not me that is not aware of what is being said, you need to go back and read both your post and my answer to your post.

Mr. Runningman, I AGREED with you on this point: that Jesus did not PRE EXIST as God's Son "before" Luke chapter one, the only record that God has given to us as to WHEN God had a Son, called Jesus. His humanity had a beginning, but his deity as the I AM THAT I AM is eternal BOTH WAYS.

Revelation 1:11​

“Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.”

Revelation 21:6​

“And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.”

Revelation 1:8​

“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”

The ONLY God man or angels will ever see! God is a Spirit that lives in eternity and that will never change, impossible!

 

[Red Baker]

@Keiw1

All angels in good standing have NEVER sinned. So your reasoning about Jesus is not fact.

I am convinced that you are out of your league, with your Jehovah Witnesses knowledge, even if you had all of them here, they would go down just as fast as you are now doing, very pitiful of the knowledge that you folks posses.

Why did not some of the angels not leave their first estate, have clue? God's election of them preserved them from being deceived.

1st Timothy 5:21​

“I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.”

God alone has the attribute of immutability. No angel and certainly no man proven by Adam and Eve, though created very good, and given all they needed to continue in that state, they sinned the very second God left them to the power of their own wisdom, will, knowledge, etc. And so did around millions of the angels ~the only difference is God provided no remedy for them for their sin to be atone for, as he did man. Why, so it seem good in His infinite wisdom to do so. That's one reason why election of grace is so hated by the spirit of this world. But that does not move me in the least.

Matthew 24:24​

“For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”

But, it is NOT possible that the very elect shall overall be deceived on such truths as we are now considering.

 

[360watt]

All angels in good standing have NEVER sinned. So your reasoning about Jesus is not fact.

In relation to men, I'm talking about. Jesus did not sin as a man. If someone can't sin, since Adam.. they are God.

Sinlessness in a person since Adam.. is only in Jesus Christ.

Angels are a different category, although still have free will, given what happened to Satan and his fallen angels.

 

[Red Baker]

1.) I have no idea what this means...
Of course not, since I was not begotten in the manner in Jesus was, according to Luke 1. God created a new man within me, after the image of Jesus Christ.

Greeting Peter,

Peter, if I have said things hard to you, it not because of who you are since I do not know personally, but if you are a child of God, then folks like you must be rebuke very hard so that you would be sound in the faith, at moment you are not.

Titus 1:12​

“One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, (WHY? RB) that they may be sound in the faith;”

Peter, Jesus' flesh was begotten by the power of the Highest, not by ordinary means of coming through Adam's posterity, that was 100% bypassed by God, so that, God could laid upon Jesus, (being the only begotten Son of God) to fulfil his eternal purposes. Jesus would come in the likeness of sinful flesh, in order to condemned sin in that the very flesh Adam sinned in.

So, Peter, Jesus is God's ONLY begotten Son, and we are sons of God through Christ securing our eternal Salvation by his faith and obedience in the likeness of sinful flesh. We are born again by the Spirit of God by God creating a new man within us by his almighty power. Hope this helps you, if you need for me to enlarge on this, I can.

2.) Saying you are the son of God does not make you God. It does put you in the same family to whatever the Father has. If you're a king then the son would be a prince and therefore share in the kingdom on equal ground pertaining to the kingdom. If your dad is a business owner then it would put you on equal ground in the family business to share in the wealth and even run the business later on. The Jews understood that custom and even we do today in our country.

So, where are you going with this? Not sure.

3.) Page 236 you said this...
Yes, I agree, and that reason was there was NO MAN or angels, that could be that sacrificial Lamb without spot or blemish , to be offer up for the sins of the world, Jews and Gentiles, God's very elect among each. God laid help upon his very own Son for the love he had for his elect, that he sent his son into the world, to paid the wages of sin for them, which was death.

Then I said this...
There is no verse that says no mam could be the sacrificial Lamb without spot or blemish.

Peter ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God, except one man, God's only begotten son, so, can just any man do what Jesus did? Impossible, proven by Adam and Eve in Genesis 3. We need no further proof than what God ahs given to us in Genesis 3. The two Adam's reveals man's fall and how man is redeem from that fall into sin. Isaiah 53 is a wonderful portion of God's word revealing to us the blessed story of redemption through Jesus Christ.

Acts 8:35​

“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.”

 

[Red Baker]

@Peterlag

You seem to continue to use language that is useless as a tool for communication. You say...

Only the Son of God could keep the law of God perfectly, and proved that to be so. This is why he came to do what no man could do. Peter, by being God's only begotten son, in the manner in which he was begotten/conceived, makes him equal to God, since he was indeed the express image of God, and proved it by perfect faith and obedience as a man.

Let me get a few things ready to head out of town, and I'll try to make time to address this for you before leaving.

RB

 

[Peterlag]

1) Of course not, since I was not begotten in the manner in Jesus was, according to Luke 1. God created a new man within me, after the image of Jesus Christ.

2) Never said that, what I said was by Jesus saying God was his Father THEY CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD what that meant, that he was making himself equal to God, which you folks refuse to even acknowledge. Listen carefully:

John 5:18​

“Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.”

You see Peter, once Christ said that God was his Father, they "KNEW" what that meant. Why do not you, @Keiw1 @Runningman and @ Studyman understand this truth? My Son is what I am, etc. Every thing producing after its own kind. always has, always will. The Law of Reproduction is simply stated: in nature and among men, one kind. reproduces its own kind. Trees reproduce trees, flowers reproduce flowers, and trees do. Each shares it own exact likeness.

Genesis 1:12​

“And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.”

You said: "There is no verse that says no man could be the sacrificial Lamb without spot or blemish."

Not sure what you are trying to say, maybe you can explain yourself a little better, and then I will answer you,

Does anybody know what he's talking about here? I see a lot about Jesus redeeming us in his writing here, but nothing about Jesus being God or what God would accomplish by coming to the earth as a man. Scripture that I opened with tells us a man redeemed us. I find no Scripture that says God had to come to the earth or that it had to be a God to redeem us.

cc: @Runningman
@Keiw1

 

[360watt]

Does anybody know what he's talking about here? I see a lot about Jesus redeeming us in his writing here, but nothing about Jesus being God or what God would accomplish by coming to the earth as a man. Scripture that I opened with tells us a man redeemed us. I find no Scripture that says God had to come to the earth or that it had to be a God to redeem us.

cc: @Runningman
@Keiw1

Peter, a mortal man in no way whatsoever can redeem us.

Jesus forgives sin in the bible of those who had not personally offended Him.

That is having power over sin itself.

Only God can do that.

Like if someone stole your wallet..and it had nothing to do with me..and I said I forgive you to the stealer.

I could forgive in principle..but I would not have the power to cleanse that person of their sin.

Jesus has that power. And before you say it was power given to Him..not His own..Jesus was a whole level above the likes of the disciples and apostles. His power was inherent in Himself.

 

[Runningman]

@Runningman

No sir, it is not me that is not aware of what is being said, you need to go back and read both your post and my answer to your post.

Mr. Runningman, I AGREED with you on this point: that Jesus did not PRE EXIST as God's Son "before" Luke chapter one, the only record that God has given to us as to WHEN God had a Son, called Jesus. His humanity had a beginning, but his deity as the I AM THAT I AM is eternal BOTH WAYS.

Revelation 1:11​

“Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.”

Revelation 21:6​

“And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.”

Revelation 1:8​

“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”

The ONLY God man or angels will ever see! God is a Spirit that lives in eternity and that will never change, impossible!

Jesus being identified as the First and Last is not something that correlates Jesus to being God.

For example, if the First and Last means automatically someone is God, then Revelation 1:17,18 says "I am the First and the Last, the Living One. I was dead, and behold, now I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of Death and of Hades."

We know from Scripture that God alone is immortal (1 Timothy 6:16) which means that God cannot die. Therefore, when the First and Last died it is not a statement about God dying. Therefore, the title "First and Last" does not equate Jesus with God because God can't die.

Additionally, Revelation 1:4-8 shows that Jesus is not God Almighty. In the passage, there are a few characters mentioned.

1. Him who is and was and is to come
2. the seven spirits
3. and Jesus Christ

Revelation 1:8 says "the Lord God, who is and was and is to come—the Almighty." Therefore Jesus is not the same character as God Almighty.

There is, once again, no proof God came to earth as a human.

 

[Keiw1]

@Keiw1

I am convinced that you are out of your league, with your Jehovah Witnesses knowledge, even if you had all of them here, they would go down just as fast as you are now doing, very pitiful of the knowledge that you folks posses.

Why did not some of the angels not leave their first estate, have clue? God's election of them preserved them from being deceived.

1st Timothy 5:21​

“I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.”

God alone has the attribute of immutability. No angel and certainly no man proven by Adam and Eve, though created very good, and given all they needed to continue in that state, they sinned the very second God left them to the power of their own wisdom, will, knowledge, etc. And so did around millions of the angels ~the only difference is God provided no remedy for them for their sin to be atone for, as he did man. Why, so it seem good in His infinite wisdom to do so. That's one reason why election of grace is so hated by the spirit of this world. But that does not move me in the least.

Matthew 24:24​

“For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”

But, it is NOT possible that the very elect shall overall be deceived on such truths as we are now considering.

Its 100% fact that in every translation on Earth the teachings of Jesus back the JW religion. You best learn them properly.

 

[Keiw1]

In relation to men, I'm talking about. Jesus did not sin as a man. If someone can't sin, since Adam.. they are God.

Sinlessness in a person since Adam.. is only in Jesus Christ.

Angels are a different category, although still have free will, given what happened to Satan and his fallen angels.

False reasoning on your part. The whole reason satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness is because he could have used his free will to sin. The same goes for all angel beings. They can choose to sin,( 1/3) did, the other 2/3 chose not to sin by using free will.

 

[Peterlag]

Peter, a mortal man in no way whatsoever can redeem us.

Jesus forgives sin in the bible of those who had not personally offended Him.

That is having power over sin itself.

Only God can do that.

Like if someone stole your wallet..and it had nothing to do with me..and I said I forgive you to the stealer.

I could forgive in principle..but I would not have the power to cleanse that person of their sin.

Jesus has that power. And before you say it was power given to Him..not His own..Jesus was a whole level above the likes of the disciples and apostles. His power was inherent in Himself.

There is no Scripture in the New Testament that says...

1.) A mortal man in no way whatsoever can redeem us.

2.) Only God can forgive sin.

 

[Peterlag]

False reasoning on your part. The whole reason satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness is because he could have used his free will to sin. The same goes for all angel beings. They can choose to sin,( 1/3) did, the other 2/3 chose not to sin by using free will.

You know I never thought of that. Jesus could have sinned. The part I never thought about was could God sin? Is there a verse that says God could sin?