Starts Now The Deity of Jesus Christ True or False?

[360watt]

That there is an exception to your rule is proof that being sinless does not equate someone to being God. Not useful to support God coming to earth as a man in that case.

As far as Jesus being the Lamb, we have more than one example of the Lamb not being God, but rather a man distinct from God Almighty. See John 1:29,30 where the Lamb is defined as a man. See Revelation 21:22 where the Lamb is distinct from Lord God Almighty.

God doesn't need to be justified, but Jesus did. Think about it.

So there is still no proof that God came to earth as a man.

Lamb of God is the title

Earlier in Revelation Jesus is speaking to the churches, which is also the Holy Spirit speaking to the churches. Jesus is also given terms used for God almighty..'alpha and omega '. Jesus is on the same level as the Father and Holy Spirit

So Lamb of God would be akin to God coming to earth to be the ultimate sacrificial Lamb. Since the rest of Revelation shows Jesus' full diety.

Jesus’s Justification and Ours

Justification is God’s last-day verdict about us that’s been brought forward for us to enjoy this present day.

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[360watt]

@Peterlag @Runningman @Keiw1 @Studyman and any other person rejecting Jesus being God manifest in the flesh to secure eternal life for his people according to the will of God.

Stop playing dumb, no more than you are already spiritually speaking.

The first few verses are an introduction to Galatians 4:4-6

@Peterlag is diverting away from Jesus's identity and asking a question that has been answered over and over. What do you say about that?

 

[Red Baker]

@Peterlag @Runningman @Keiw1 @Studyman and any other person who rejects Jesus' deity of being the Mighty God.

This must be a hard question because nobody seems able to answer it. I think it's a fair question. If God came to the earth. There must of been a good reason for it. Seems kind a stupid that He would start out as a baby but that's just my thinking. Now back to me question. Why would God need to come to the earth? To accomplish what?

Psalms 89:19​

“Then thou spakest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one chosen out of the people.”

The Lord Jesus is essentially and immeasurably one that is mighty, and on him the salvation of his people rests by divine appointment.

John 17:4​

“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.”

To be the surety of His elect, do for them what they could not do for themselves, not even Adam coming from the hand of God without a sinful nature could not do, even though having the image of God without indwelling sin working against him Not even angels who were created higher than man, could not do, without God preserving some of them by his election.

One is the Messiah, the mighty God, the mighty Man, the mighty Mediator and Redeemer; who was mighty to save to the uttermost, and was every way fit for and equal to the work of a Redeemer; for which reason the Lord "laid help" upon him.

So, God laid help upon ONE that could, his only begotten Son, begotten in the manner than no one has ever been begotten, and never shall be.

Whom God exalts let everyman exalt. Woe unto those who despise him, they are guilty of contempt of court before the Lord of Hosts, as well as of rejecting the Son of God, being equal with His Father. Their end will be the Lake of fire which is the second death.

 

[Red Baker]

@360watt

@Peterlag is diverting away from Jesus's identity and asking a question that has been answered over and over. What do you say about that?

I'll will let them give some of their best shots, and then I'm going to prove Jesus' deity and let them take the scriptures provided and prove them wrong. This must be fair, the ball cannot always be in their court, every sport has a offense and a defense, at the moment, I do not mine playing defense, but I want to be on offense soon. I think we need a moderator to monitor this and make the rules.

 

[Runningman]

@Peterlag @Runningman @Keiw1 @Studyman and any other person rejecting Jesus being God manifest in the flesh to secure eternal life for his people according to the will of God.

Stop playing dumb, no more than you are already spiritually speaking.

The first few verses are an introduction to Galatians 4:4-6

You're making theological assumptions and it just doesn't make any sense. "God sent His son" means Jesus was sent after he became God's son, i.e., Jesus was not sent before he was God's son (that is not what the Bible says.) Jesus was not God's son before he was fathered by God. Therefore when the Bible says God sent His son it's in reference to God choosing a human, anointing him, comminisioning him, and sending him as the Bible states. There is no such thing as a pre-existent son of God in the old testament that is said to have been sent to earth as God.

 

[Runningman]

@Peterlag @Runningman @Keiw1 @Studyman and any other person who rejects Jesus' deity of being the Mighty God.

Psalms 89:19​

“Then thou spakest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one chosen out of the people.”

The Lord Jesus is essentially and immeasurably one that is mighty, and on him the salvation of his people rests by divine appointment.

You've just conflated Jesus as one of the many people that he was chosen from. You've provided a powerful argument against Jesus inherently having an apointment by God until he was chosen.

John 17:4​

“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.”

To be the surety of His elect, do for them what they could not do for themselves, not even Adam coming from the hand of God without a sinful nature could not do, even though having the image of God without indwelling sin working against him Not even angels who were created higher than man, could not do, without God preserving some of them by his election.

This doesn't refer to a literal pre-existent glory because the context says the glory Jesus was requesting pertained to what he did on earth. Jesus didn't do what he did on earth before he was on earth.

John 17
4I have glorified You on earth by accomplishing the work You gave Me to do. 5And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed.

One is the Messiah, the mighty God, the mighty Man, the mighty Mediator and Redeemer; who was mighty to save to the uttermost, and was every way fit for and equal to the work of a Redeemer; for which reason the Lord "laid help" upon him.

So, God laid help upon ONE that could, his only begotten Son, begotten in the manner than no one has ever been begotten, and never shall be.

Whom God exalts let everyman exalt. Woe unto those who despise him, they are guilty of contempt of court before the Lord of Hosts, as well as of rejecting the Son of God, being equal with His Father. Their end will be the Lake of fire which is the second death.

Jesus is not equal to God. More proof that God didn't come to earth as a man. John 14:28

 

[Runningman]

@360watt

I'll will let them give some of their best shots, and then I'm going to prove Jesus' deity and let them take the scriptures provided and prove them wrong. This must be fair, the ball cannot always be in their court, every sport has a offense and a defense, at the moment, I do not mine playing defense, but I want to be on offense soon. I think we need a moderator to monitor this and make the rules.

So far you have not provided any convincing arguments for God coming to earth as a man.

 

[Peterlag]

@Peterlag @Runningman @Keiw1 @Studyman and any other person who rejects Jesus' deity of being the Mighty God.

Psalms 89:19​

“Then thou spakest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one chosen out of the people.”

The Lord Jesus is essentially and immeasurably one that is mighty, and on him the salvation of his people rests by divine appointment.

John 17:4​

“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.”

To be the surety of His elect, do for them what they could not do for themselves, not even Adam coming from the hand of God without a sinful nature could not do, even though having the image of God without indwelling sin working against him Not even angels who were created higher than man, could not do, without God preserving some of them by his election.

One is the Messiah, the mighty God, the mighty Man, the mighty Mediator and Redeemer; who was mighty to save to the uttermost, and was every way fit for and equal to the work of a Redeemer; for which reason the Lord "laid help" upon him.

So, God laid help upon ONE that could, his only begotten Son, begotten in the manner than no one has ever been begotten, and never shall be.

Whom God exalts let everyman exalt. Woe unto those who despise him, they are guilty of contempt of court before the Lord of Hosts, as well as of rejecting the Son of God, being equal with His Father. Their end will be the Lake of fire which is the second death.

Let's look at the two verses you list. Psalms 89:19 says one was chosen out of the people which seems to be a vision of Jesus coming. But nothing in the verse tells us why God would feel the need to come to the earth nor does it even say God came to the earth.

John 17:4 seems to say Jesus has finished the work God gave him. This verse also does not say what God would accomplish if he came to the earth or even that God came to the earth.

If God came to the earth to be beat up and spit on. Then there had to be a reason for Him to do that. And yet it seems so far there is not a verse that tells us what the purpose would be for God to come to the earth.

 

[Peterlag]

@Peterlag is diverting away from Jesus's identity and asking a question that has been answered over and over. What do you say about that?

Can I see the verse that you say you have given that tells us what God accomplished by coming to the earth? In other words what was His reason to come to the earth? For Him to do what?

 

[Peterlag]

@Peterlag @Runningman @Keiw1 @Studyman and any other person rejecting Jesus being God manifest in the flesh to secure eternal life for his people according to the will of God.

Stop playing dumb, no more than you are already spiritually speaking.

The first few verses are an introduction to Galatians 4:4-6

My question to you...
May I ask what verse from above says why God would come to the Earth as a man? Perhaps it's in the first two verses you listed below...​

Your response...
Galatians 4:4-6​

“But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Galatians 4 that you quote above says God sent forth His son, made of a woman. It does not say why God would come. Or even that God did come.

 

[360watt]

Can I see the verse that you say you have given that tells us what God accomplished by coming to the earth? In other words what was His reason to come to the earth? For Him to do what?

Hebrews 1:3 KJV
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

1 Peter 2:24 KJV
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

For redemption, propitiation, justification

 

[Red Baker]

You're making theological assumptions and it just doesn't make any sense. "God sent His son" means Jesus was sent after he became God's son, i.e., Jesus was not sent before he was God's son (that is not what the Bible says.) Jesus was not God's son before he was fathered by God. Therefore when the Bible says God sent His son it's in reference to God choosing a human, anointing him, comminisioning him, and sending him as the Bible states. There is no such thing as a pre-existent son of God in the old testament that is said to have been sent to earth as God.

I "never" said what you are saying, never even hinted what you are saying! You are assuming I believe and teach in the eternal Sonship doctrine which I reject as heresy. Jesus Christ "was not eternally generated," that would put me in the same boat with heretics like you on that doctrine, for it destroys the deity of Jesus Christ as being the God of Genesis 1:1, which I firmly believe in and teach; so I would be very careful how I word my sentences.

The burden of proof is on you to prove I said what you accuse me of saying, I'm no novice, I carefully chose my words, which you will soon see, if you last very long. I teach in the incarnate Sonship position. God had no son until Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost around two thousand years ago. Only in God purposes did He purpose to sent his Son into the world to secured the salvation of God's elect.

You will never win a argument with me concerning the deity of Jesus Christ being God manifest in the flesh, since you do not have the truth ~ not so much that I'm very smart for I'm not, I just have the truth on this subject.

 

[Peterlag]

Hebrews 1:3 KJV
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

1 Peter 2:24 KJV
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

For redemption, propitiation, justification

Now you said you already gave me the verse that says why God would come to the earth. So then I posted this...

Can I see the verse that you say you have given that tells us what God accomplished by coming to the earth? In other words what was His reason to come to the earth? For Him to do what?

Then you replied with Hebrews 1:3 and 1 Peter 2:24.

Hebrews says Jesus being the brightness of God's glory sat down. The verse says nothing about why God would come to the earth as a man. The verse does not even mention God coming to the earth.

1 Peter says Jesus bare our sins on the tree and we know that resulted in us having redemption, propitiation, and justification. But the verse says nothing about why God would come to the earth as a man. The verse does not even mention God coming to the earth.
Here's the OP again...

Why would God come to the Earth as a man? What would that produce? Romans says a man (Adam) caused sin to enter into the world, and also that a man would have to redeem it from sin. Romans 5:15 says “For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.” The Bible specifically says that a man must do it. The book of Corinthians makes the same point Romans does when it says “For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead” (1 Corinthians 15:21).

So if a man had to redeem us? Then what was the purpose for God to come? What did He accomplish by coming?

 

[Red Baker]

@Peterlag

Galatians 4 that you quote above says God sent forth His son, made of a woman. It does not say why God would come. Or even that God did come.

When I move to the offense of proving the deity of Jesus Christ, then you will have more scriptures than you you want to address to prove that Jesus is not God manifest in the likeness of sinful flesh, They are coming, I'm first giving you an opportunity to prove you position, a position that God's word will never support, so I think you are up the river without paddle as the old saying goes.

 

[Peterlag]

@360watt

I'll will let them give some of their best shots, and then I'm going to prove Jesus' deity and let them take the scriptures provided and prove them wrong. This must be fair, the ball cannot always be in their court, every sport has a offense and a defense, at the moment, I do not mine playing defense, but I want to be on offense soon. I think we need a moderator to monitor this and make the rules.

It seems fair to be able to have you also ask a question as you continue to try to answer mine.

1.) So far nobody can come up with a verse that tells us the reason God would have had to come to the earth as a man.
2.) What's your question?

 

[Red Baker]

Let's look at the two verses you list. Psalms 89:19 says one was chosen out of the people which seems to be a vision of Jesus coming. But nothing in the verse tells us why God would feel the need to come to the earth nor does it even say God came to the earth.

John 17:4 seems to say Jesus has finished the work God gave him. This verse also does not say what God would accomplish if he came to the earth or even that God came to the earth.

If God came to the earth to be beat up and spit on. Then there had to be a reason for Him to do that. And yet it seems so far there is not a verse that tells us what the purpose would be for God to come to the earth.

Peter, If Jesus was God's only begotten son, and he was, then that within itself PROVES he was the express image of who God was, that makes him equal to God, just as the scriptures I have already provided for you proved that even his enemies understood this truth, why do you and other reject what even they admitted had to be true?

You said: "Then there had to be a reason for Him to do that".....

Yes, I agree, and that reason was there was NO MAN or angels, that could be that sacrificial Lamb without spot or blemish , to be offer up for the sins of the world, Jews and Gentiles, God's very elect among each. God laid help upon his very own Son for the love he had for his elect, that he sent his son into the world, to paid the wages of sin for them, which was death.

 

[Red Baker]

@Peterlag

1.) So far nobody can come up with a verse that tells us the reason God would have had to come to the earth as a man.

Peter, it has been answer, regardless if you accept it or not. Let others judge, you are not the judge, and neither I'm I.

You go ahead and put forth your best effort of disproving Christ deity ~ have you exhausted you list already? Actually Peter, you have no argument in favor of Jesus not being God in the flesh. So, you most likely are finished. If so, then I start in the morning. I'm heading to bed soon, since I arise no later than 4:00 am.

 

[Red Baker]

So far you have not provided any convincing arguments for God coming to earth as a man.

I have not even started my argument in favor of Jesus' deity, but will once you have exhausted your position. which its beginning to seem you have. Give me the red light when you are ready..

I leaving early Friday morning to head up north to see my first great-grandson. My wife and I stated out around 58 and half years ago as two, now we are are tribe of 25. sorta like Jacob of old. The older grandchildren are getting married and starting their own family.

The only draw back is that we have Clemson Tigers...UNC Tarheels ... Auburn Tigers ..... University of South Carolina Gamecock .... North Carolina State Wolfpack .... Georgia Tech and a few others in our family. Most are Clemson Tigers where my children went and some of the grandchildren, and some still going

So, I'll be off the grid for around three days or so.

Heading to bed, in a few.

 

[Peterlag]

@Peterlag

Peter, it has been answer, regardless if you accept it or not. Let others judge, you are not the judge, and neither I'm I.

You go ahead and put forth your best effort of disproving Christ deity ~ have you exhausted you list already? Actually Peter, you have no argument in favor of Jesus not being God in the flesh. So, you most likely are finished. If so, then I start in the morning. I'm heading to bed soon, since I arise no later than 4:00 am.

Saying my question has been answered when it has not does not mean it has. Nobody so far has come up with a verse that tells us why or what God could accomplish by coming to the earth. It was not to redeem us because I opened up with 2 verses saying that a man did that. So what would be God's reason to come?

 

[Peterlag]

Peter, If Jesus was God's only begotten son, and he was, then that within itself PROVES he was the express image of who God was, that makes him equal to God, just as the scriptures I have already provided for you proved that even his enemies understood this truth, why do you and other reject what even they admitted had to be true?

You said: "Then there had to be a reason for Him to do that".....

Yes, I agree, and that reason was there was NO MAN or angels, that could be that sacrificial Lamb without spot or blemish , to be offer up for the sins of the world, Jews and Gentiles, God's very elect among each. God laid help upon his very own Son for the love he had for his elect, that he sent his son into the world, to paid the wages of sin for them, which was death.

A few things in response to what you just wrote...

1.) Saying you are the son of God does not make you God.
2.) There is no Scripture that says the enemies of Jesus thought he was God.
3.) There is no verse that says no mam could be the sacrificial Lamb without spot or blemish.