Sealed by the baptism en the Holy Ghost

then you are saved by works, you reject grace.
So the wall of Jericho fell by works?
The widow's oil was multiplied by works?
The widows flour and oil lasted through the famine by works?
Naaman's leprosy was cleansed by works?

No, the actions we must take are conditions we must meet to receive the gift. They do not contribute to the creation of the gift, or the value of it.
 
I'm still in shock over your questions.The Lord simply opened the mouth of the donkey to speak in order to rebuke Balaam. Plain and simple. The donkey did not get saved and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit or the spiritual gift of tongues.

The spiritual gift of tongues is ONLY for the body of Christ who have already received the gift of the Holy Spirit in 1 Corinthians 12. So, you actually believe that the spiritual gift of tongues in 1 Corrinthians 12 applies to animals as well as humans? :oops: Seriously?
The donkey was miraculously enabled by the Holy Spirit that came upon it to speak in a known language that it didn't know. There's no reason to claim that the donkey was operating any differently that I am, when I speak in a Tongue that I don't understand. - BUT HEY!! could be it was "The gift of prophesy" instead, since it was a message from the Holy Spirit to Baalam in the common language!!

And while we're at it OLD TESTAMENT Prophets were Not "saved" in the new testament sense, since the Holy Spirit INDWELLING people didn't happen until after Calvary - unless Jesus was "confused" (John 14:17).
 
The donkey was miraculously enabled by the Holy Spirit that came upon it to speak in a known language that it didn't know. There's no reason to claim that the donkey was operating any differently that I am, when I speak in a Tongue that I don't understand.


You want to associate yourself with a donkey then go right ahead.

- BUT HEY!!

I fully agree.


And while we're at it OLD TESTAMENT Prophets were Not "saved" in the new testament sense, since the Holy Spirit INDWELLING people didn't happen until after Calvary - unless Jesus was "confused" (John 14:17).

No, you are confused.

Numbers 27:18
So the LORD said to Moses, Take Joshua the son of Nun, a man in whom is the Spirit, and lay your hand on him.
Ezekiel 2:2
As He spoke to me the Spirit entered me and set me on my feet; and I heard Him speaking to me.
Ezekiel 3:24
The Spirit then entered me and made me stand on my feet, and He spoke with me and said to me, Go, shut yourself up in your house.
 
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No, you are confused.

Numbers 27:18
So the LORD said to Moses, “Take Joshua the son of Nun, a man in whom is the Spirit, and lay your hand on him.
Ezekiel 2:2
As He spoke to me the Spirit entered me and set me on my feet; and I heard Him speaking to me.
Ezekiel 3:24
The Spirit then entered me and made me stand on my feet, and He spoke with me and said to me, “Go, shut yourself up in your house.
Again, you err. As John 7:39 states, the Holy Spirit indwelling us was not given until after Jesus was glorified. Yes, the Spirit was in these men, but not in the way in which He dwells within us today.
 
Only in your delusions. The Gentiles had received empowerment of the Spirit, but not salvation, not the indwelling Spirit. That is only received upon salvation, and that is received in water baptism.
sorry, you ignore scripture

Acts 10:45–47 (LEB) — 45 And those believers from the circumcision who had accompanied Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles, 46 for they heard them speaking in tongues and glorifying God. Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can withhold the water for these people to be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit as we also did!”

They received the Spirit, a phrase which is used to indicate the indwelling of the spirit

John 7:38–39 (LEB) — 38 the one who believes in me. Just as the scripture said, ‘Out of his belly will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 (Now he said this concerning the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were about to receive. For the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.)

They received the gift of the Spirit

the gift of the Holy Spirit which your theology holds is salvational in

Acts 2:37–38 (LEB) — 37 Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “What should we do, men and brothers?” 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

They were baptized en the Spirit

Acts 11:14–16 (LEB) — 14 who will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’ 15 And as I was beginning to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them, just as also on us at the beginning. 16 And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

Which you and scripture indicated as saving

1 Corinthians 12:13 — 13 For en one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free persons, and all were made to drink one Spirit.

You have even contradicted yourself.

They had their heart purified by faith

Acts 15:8–10 (LEB) — 8 And God, who knows the heart, testified to them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he also did to us. 9 And he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. 10 So now why are you putting God to the test by placing on the neck of the disciples a yoke that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

a purification which is accompanied by the giving of the Spirit a term indicating the indwelling of the Spirit

Ezekiel 36:26–27 (LEB) — 26 And I will give a new heart to you, and a new spirit I will give into your inner parts, and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh, and I will give to you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will give my spirit into your inner parts, and I will make it so that you will go in my rules, and my regulations you will remember, and you will do them.

You offer only a bald denial of multiple verses of scripture
 
So the wall of Jericho fell by works?
The widow's oil was multiplied by works?
The widows flour and oil lasted through the famine by works?
Naaman's leprosy was cleansed by works?

No, the actions we must take are conditions we must meet to receive the gift. They do not contribute to the creation of the gift, or the value of it.
lol.

Non of those events cause a person who was dead in sin to be made alive in christ.

Circumcision could not add to faith to save an OT jew, Why do you think water baptism can save a NT believer.

Your watered down grace and self righteousness will not save anyone
 
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Except for:

1. Acts 2:41 "So then, those who had received his word (salvation) were baptized."

2. Acts 8:12 "But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ (salvation), they were being baptized, men and women alike."

3. Acts 8:13 "Even Simon himself believed (salvation); and after being baptized, he continued on with Philip ..."

4. Acts 8:37-38 " ... I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God (salvation) ... and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him."

5. Acts 22:10-16 (After Saul knew that it was Jesus who appeared to him - verse 8 - Saul then calls Him Lord) "What shall I do Lord?" (Later Ananias calls him 'brother') - verse 13 - "Brother Saul, receive your sight." (So Saul obviously was saved on the road, when Jesus appears to him) Later -verse 16 - Ananias tells Saul, "Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized ..."

6. Acts 11:17 Here Peter is explaining what happened to Cornelius and his family when he preached the gospel to them. He is specifically referring to the Holy Spirit falling on them - "Therefore if God gave to them the same gift AS HE GAVE TO US ALSO AFTER BELIEVING IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST (salvation), who was I that I could stand in God's way. THEN he ordered them to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

7. Acts 16:14-15 "A woman named Lydia was listening (to Paul) ... and the Lord opened her heart to respond (salvation) to the things spoken by Paul. And when she and her household had been baptized ... "

8. Acts 16:30-33 (The Philippian jailer) "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" Paul and Silas answered him "(be baptized? NO) Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household. And they spoke the word of the Lord to him together with all who were in his house (salvation) ... and immediately he was baptized, he and his household."

9. Acts 18:8 "Crispus ... believed in the Lord with all his household (salvation), and many of the Corinthians when they heard were believing (salvation) and being baptized."

10. Acts 19:4-5 "Paul said ... telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus. When they heard this (salvation), they were being baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."

Your statement reveals extreme ignorance of the New Testament.

Get it straight - BELIEF IN OR BELIEVING IN THE GOSPEL IS SALVATION. Acts 10:43 " ... everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins (salvation).
None of those verses negates or invalidates the verses that include repentance, confession, or baptism together with faith as conditions necessary for salvation. That you would think they do reveals your extreme ignorance of the New Testament.
 
sorry, you ignore scripture

Acts 10:45–47 (LEB) — 45 And those believers from the circumcision who had accompanied Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles, 46 for they heard them speaking in tongues and glorifying God. Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can withhold the water for these people to be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit as we also did!”

They received the Spirit, a phrase which is used to indicate the indwelling of the spirit

John 7:38–39 (LEB) — 38 the one who believes in me. Just as the scripture said, ‘Out of his belly will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 (Now he said this concerning the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were about to receive. For the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.)

They received the gift of the Spirit

the gift of the Holy Spirit which your theology holds is salvational in

Acts 2:37–38 (LEB) — 37 Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “What should we do, men and brothers?” 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

They were baptized en the Spirit

Acts 11:14–16 (LEB) — 14 who will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’ 15 And as I was beginning to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them, just as also on us at the beginning. 16 And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

Which you and scripture indicated as saving

1 Corinthians 12:13 — 13 For en one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free persons, and all were made to drink one Spirit.

You have even contradicted yourself.

They had their heart purified by faith

Acts 15:8–10 (LEB) — 8 And God, who knows the heart, testified to them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he also did to us. 9 And he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. 10 So now why are you putting God to the test by placing on the neck of the disciples a yoke that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

a purification which is accompanied by the giving of the Spirit a term indicating the indwelling of the Spirit

Ezekiel 36:26–27 (LEB) — 26 And I will give a new heart to you, and a new spirit I will give into your inner parts, and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh, and I will give to you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will give my spirit into your inner parts, and I will make it so that you will go in my rules, and my regulations you will remember, and you will do them.

You offer only a bald denial of multiple verses of scripture
I deny none of those passages, but I put the events in them in their proper order. The Gentiles received empowerment from the Spirit before they demonstrated faith by which they received salvation. Notice in Acts 15 that verses 8 and 9 are completely separate sentences. They are completely separate because they are talking about two different events. God testified to the Gentiles by giving them empowerment through the Spirit. And then He united the Gentiles with the Jews by cleansing their hearts THROUGH FAITH. They did not exhibit faith sitting in the room while Peter spoke. They did not exhibit faith by the Spirit falling on them. They exhibited faith by obeying Peter's command to be baptized in water which is where they received forgiveness of sin. This is when the Spirit moved from simply empowering them to indwelling their hearts.
 
lol.

Non of those events cause a person who was dead in sin to be made alive in christ.

Circumcision could not add to faith to save an OT jew, Why do you think water baptism can save a NT believer.

Your watered down grace and self righteousness will not save anyone
Those are not examples of salvation, they are examples of God's grace. Faith is not just a mental exercise; it REQUIRES action for it to be real/alive. Naaman dipping, the widows pouring or giving, Israel marching around Jericho - these are all examples of God doing something for someone but requiring them to exhibit faith by doing something first. Their actions did not ADD TO God's power, or effectiveness, or glory, or anything else. But if they had not done what He commanded then they would not have received His gift.

This is not a "watered down grace". It is how God relates to mankind all through Scripture.
 
Those passages do not contradict John 7:39.


Of course not. They contradict your misinterpretation of John 7:39.

The Spirit did not indwell ANYONE until after Jesus was glorified.


If one is "filled with the Holy Spirit" means the Holy Spirit is indwelling them (Luke 1:15).

The Spirit was in those people in the OT, but not in the way He indwells us today.

Correct, for today He permanently indwells a person. Before the church age, which began at Acts 2:4, this was not necessarily the case.
 
If one is "filled with the Holy Spirit" means the Holy Spirit is indwelling them (Luke 1:15).
No, it does not. That is YOUR interpretation of that phrase, but it is not always what it means in Scripture.
Correct, for today He permanently indwells a person. Before the church age, which began at Acts 2:4, this was not necessarily the case.
He NEVER indwelt people before Jesus was glorified. He had not been given in that way yet.
 
Correct, for today He permanently indwells a person. Before the church age, which began at Acts 2:4, this was not necessarily the case.
Correct and there is a difference between the role of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament and in the New Testament in regard to "indwelling." The New Testament teaches the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit in believers (Ephesians 1:13-14; 4:30; 2 Corinthians 1:22; 2 Corinthians 5:5). When we place our faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, we are sealed in Christ by the Holy Spirit. The apostle Paul calls this permanent indwelling the “guarantee of our inheritance.” (Ephesians 1:14)

In contrast to this permanent indwelling in the New Testament, the indwelling in the Old Testament was selective and temporary. The Holy Spirit “came upon” such Old Testament people as Joshua (Numbers 27:18), David (1 Samuel 16:12-13) and Saul (1 Samuel 10:10). In the book of Judges, we see the Holy Spirit “coming upon” these various judges whom God raised up to deliver Israel from their oppressors.

The Holy Spirit did not permanently indwell them/seal them, but instead, came upon these individuals for specific tasks. So, while in the New Testament the Holy Spirit only indwells believers and that indwelling is permanent, the Holy Spirit came upon certain individuals in the Old Testament for a specific task and not to permanently seal them in Christ.
 
Those are not examples of salvation,
no they are not
they are examples of God's grace. Faith is not just a mental exercise; it REQUIRES action for it to be real/alive.
Faith does not require anything

Faith is the power behind obedience. You obey because you trust. You do not obey so you can trust. you have it back wards
Naaman dipping, the widows pouring or giving, Israel marching around Jericho - these are all examples of God doing something for someone but requiring them to exhibit faith by doing something first. Their actions did not ADD TO God's power, or effectiveness, or glory, or anything else. But if they had not done what He commanded then they would not have received His gift.

This is not a "watered down grace". It is how God relates to mankind all through Scripture.
It is not watered down grace. it is not grace at all

if it is grace it is no longer works, otherwise grace is no longer grace

grace plus works = works
 
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