Saviour, Saved and Salvation

[Keiw1]

The CORRECT word for God is "Elohim".
Elohim is Plural = "Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness" = 3

To obey JESUS means to flee falsehood and believe His every word.

In the Hebrew language for the true living God, Elohim means-the supreme one or the mighty one. Never plural for the true living God. Trinitarians say otherwise. They are not saying truth.
Let us= YHVH(Jehovah) and his master worker( Jesus) the one who was beside God during the creation process( Prov 8:30), At Prov 8 he gives 100% credit to God for doing all the creation( the only power source) even though God created 99.9% through his master worker, he gives all credit to God.

 

[DavidTree]

In the Hebrew language for the true living God, Elohim means-the supreme one or the mighty one. Never plural for the true living God. Trinitarians say otherwise. They are not saying truth.
Let us= YHVH(Jehovah) and his master worker( Jesus) the one who was beside God during the creation process( Prov 8:30), At Prov 8 he gives 100% credit to God for doing all the creation( the only power source) even though God created 99.9% through his master worker, he gives all credit to God.

Elohim is ALWAYS PLURAL in the Holy Scriptures.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

In the beginning
בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית (bə·rê·šîṯ)
Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular
Strong's Hebrew 7225: 1) first, beginning, best, chief 1a) beginning 1b) first 1c) chief 1d) choice part

God
אֱלֹהִ֑ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

 

[Keiw1]

Elohim is ALWAYS PLURAL in the Holy Scriptures.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

In the beginning
בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית (bə·rê·šîṯ)
Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular
Strong's Hebrew 7225: 1) first, beginning, best, chief 1a) beginning 1b) first 1c) chief 1d) choice part

God
אֱלֹהִ֑ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

The Hebrew scholars know very well what Elohim means for the true God. Its not what trinity teachers claim.
It can be plural, it was for the false trinity gods served in the OT days.

 

[101G]

In the OT the only savior at that point was God=YHVH(Jehovah)-Jesus became mankind's savior by accomplishing his living sinless yet paying the wages of sin that he did not owe= the ransom sacrifice. That sacrifice opened the door to all men, yet few walk through it.
Only those who obey Jesus remain in his love and his friend. John 15:10-14)-Heb 5:9--salvation for those who obey.) John 3:36--Those who do not obey, remain in Gods wrath.
Billions claim to be followers but Few even knows what he actually teaches.

but is not the Lord Jesus God? see Isaiah 35:4. after reading that verse, QUESTION, who came and saved us?

101G.

 

[DavidTree]

The Hebrew scholars know very well what Elohim means for the true God. Its not what trinity teachers claim.
It can be plural, it was for the false trinity gods served in the OT days.

The Hebrew scholar who recorded Genesis/scripture was Moses.

Moses knew and he wrote: Elohim/PLURAL and Elohenu/PLURAL

And Elohim said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel:
‘The Lord Elohim of your fathers,
the Elohenu of Abraham,
the Elohenu of Isaac,
the Elohenu of Jacob,
has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’ = 3

 

[DavidTree]

In the OT the only savior at that point was God=YHVH(Jehovah)-Jesus became mankind's savior by accomplishing his living sinless yet paying the wages of sin that he did not owe= the ransom sacrifice. That sacrifice opened the door to all men, yet few walk through it.
Only those who obey Jesus remain in his love and his friend. John 15:10-14)-Heb 5:9--salvation for those who obey.) John 3:36--Those who do not obey, remain in Gods wrath.
Billions claim to be followers but Few even knows what he actually teaches.

JESUS is YHWH from the OT

 

[Keiw1]

but is not the Lord Jesus God? see Isaiah 35:4. after reading that verse, QUESTION, who came and saved us?

101G.

God will come, but he does it all through Jesus. God is the only power.

 

[Keiw1]

The Hebrew scholar who recorded Genesis/scripture was Moses.

Moses knew and he wrote: Elohim/PLURAL and Elohenu/PLURAL

And Elohim said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel:
‘The Lord Elohim of your fathers,
the Elohenu of Abraham,
the Elohenu of Isaac,
the Elohenu of Jacob,
has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’ = 3

The Hebrew scholars say there is no--i am that i am- in their Hebrew written OT. I will be what i will be is the correct translating. Trinity translations are erred to mislead.

 

[Keiw1]

JESUS is YHWH from the OT

Psalm 110:1= The utterance of YHVH(Jehovah) to my Lord( Jesus) is sit at my right hand. Until I( NOT WE) place your enemies as a stool for your feet.
Quoted in NT at Matt 22:44--Proving 100% Jesus is not YHVH(Jehovah)

 

[101G]

God will come, but he does it all through Jesus. God is the only power.

no, God has already come. did you not read Isiah 35:4? the Lord Jesus is God in the ECHAD of Flesh & blood. do you understand that?

now as for God is the ONLY POWER..... who raised up the Christ body. listen and Learn, Acts 2:22 "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:" Acts 2:23 "Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:" Acts 2:24 "Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it."

Acts 2:24 "Whom God hath raised up?" let the bible speak. John 2:18 "Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?" John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." John 2:20 "Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?" John 2:21 "But he spake of the temple of his body." John 2:22 "When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said."

now if they believe what the Lord Jesus said, and what the scriptures about him, so did Peter LIE on the day of Pentecost when he said, "God raised up the body of Jesus?", no, either the apostle Peter Lied, or the Lord Jesus LIED, (God forbid), or ...... God is the Lord Jesus in flesh as the ECHAD of himself........ you chose, 101G chose to believe A. God, who is the Lord Jesus. and Peter the apostle.

101G.

 

[Keiw1]

no, God has already come. did you not read Isiah 35:4? the Lord Jesus is God in the ECHAD of Flesh & blood. do you understand that?

now as for God is the ONLY POWER..... who raised up the Christ body. listen and Learn, Acts 2:22 "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:" Acts 2:23 "Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:" Acts 2:24 "Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it."

Acts 2:24 "Whom God hath raised up?" let the bible speak. John 2:18 "Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?" John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." John 2:20 "Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?" John 2:21 "But he spake of the temple of his body." John 2:22 "When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said."

now if they believe what the Lord Jesus said, and what the scriptures about him, so did Peter LIE on the day of Pentecost when he said, "God raised up the body of Jesus?", no, either the apostle Peter Lied, or the Lord Jesus LIED, (God forbid), or ...... God is the Lord Jesus in flesh as the ECHAD of himself........ you chose, 101G chose to believe A. God, who is the Lord Jesus. and Peter the apostle.

101G.

Fact-YHVH(Jehovah) is God,,,fact-Jesus is not YHVH(Jehovah) psalm 110:1 quoted at Matt 22:44 proves it.

 

[101G]

Fact-YHVH(Jehovah) is God,,,fact-Jesus is not YHVH(Jehovah) psalm 110:1 quoted at Matt 22:44 proves it.

think so? let's see. Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
the "Lord" here in verse 1 is identified as
H113 אָדוֹן 'adown (aw-done') n-m.
אָדֹן 'adon (aw-done') [shortened]
1. sovereign (i.e. controller, human or divine).
2. lord.
{also used as a prefix for names}
[from an unused root (meaning to rule)]
KJV: lord, master, owner.
Compare: H136

now this same "Lord" at the Right hand in verse 1 is here in verse 5. Psalms 110:5 "The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath." here the same "Lord" is in the Hebrew,
H136 אֲדֹנָי 'Adonay (ad-o-noy') n-m.
1. (meaning) Lord (used as a proper name of God only).
2. (person) Adonai, The Lord God of Israel (which is actually “Yahweh God of Israel” - see Exodus 5:1 and 120 other occurrences).
[am emphatic form of H113]
KJV: (my) Lord.
Root(s): H113

look at definition #2. yes, the "Lord" is YHWH in flesh, but without blood. note the definition it's the emphatic form of H113 yes, the same "Lord" in verse #1.

do you understand what both of these scriptures are saying? if not just ask. but the same "Lord" in verse 5 is the emphatic form of "Lord" in verse 1.


NOW ...... Knowing this, your Matthew 22:44, but we will get the other two verses also, "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?" Matthew 22:45 "If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?" Matthew 22:46 "And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions."

well 101G put the same question to you, "if David called him his Lord, how is he his son?". I know you want get it, but I'll give you the answer. Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." he, JESUS, is BEFORE DAVID, without flesh and without blood..... STOP, did you hear that? and this same JESUS is AFTER David, in flesh and with blood, as David son. .. (smile, Oh MY how simple this is. .

if the Lord Jesus is the ROOT of David, then he's "YHWH"/LORD, the Father, CREATOR, and MAKER of ALL THINGS, per John 1:3. and this same JESUS as Lord, YHWH shared in flesh as the OFFSPRING.... after David, "Lord", again YHWH as the Son in the Echad of Time, is God the REDEEMER, and SAVIOUR of ALL the THINGS, who came and saved us, per Isaiah 35:4, that he as "LORD", created and Made..... if you cannot understand this, just take the self test. "is not the ONE in John 1:3 WHO MADE ALL THINGS, is the same person WHO MADE ALL THINGS in Isaiah 44:24?" you make the call . read both verses carefully.

now you can rest. and try again.

101G.

 

[Keiw1]

think so? let's see. Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
the "Lord" here in verse 1 is identified as
H113 אָדוֹן 'adown (aw-done') n-m.
אָדֹן 'adon (aw-done') [shortened]
1. sovereign (i.e. controller, human or divine).
2. lord.
{also used as a prefix for names}
[from an unused root (meaning to rule)]
KJV: lord, master, owner.
Compare: H136

now this same "Lord" at the Right hand in verse 1 is here in verse 5. Psalms 110:5 "The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath." here the same "Lord" is in the Hebrew,
H136 אֲדֹנָי 'Adonay (ad-o-noy') n-m.
1. (meaning) Lord (used as a proper name of God only).
2. (person) Adonai, The Lord God of Israel (which is actually “Yahweh God of Israel” - see Exodus 5:1 and 120 other occurrences).
[am emphatic form of H113]
KJV: (my) Lord.
Root(s): H113

look at definition #2. yes, the "Lord" is YHWH in flesh, but without blood. note the definition it's the emphatic form of H113 yes, the same "Lord" in verse #1.

do you understand what both of these scriptures are saying? if not just ask. but the same "Lord" in verse 5 is the emphatic form of "Lord" in verse 1.


NOW ...... Knowing this, your Matthew 22:44, but we will get the other two verses also, "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?" Matthew 22:45 "If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?" Matthew 22:46 "And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions."

well 101G put the same question to you, "if David called him his Lord, how is he his son?". I know you want get it, but I'll give you the answer. Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." he, JESUS, is BEFORE DAVID, without flesh and without blood..... STOP, did you hear that? and this same JESUS is AFTER David, in flesh and with blood, as David son. .. (smile, Oh MY how simple this is. .

if the Lord Jesus is the ROOT of David, then he's "YHWH"/LORD, the Father, CREATOR, and MAKER of ALL THINGS, per John 1:3. and this same JESUS as Lord, YHWH shared in flesh as the OFFSPRING.... after David, "Lord", again YHWH as the Son in the Echad of Time, is God the REDEEMER, and SAVIOUR of ALL the THINGS, who came and saved us, per Isaiah 35:4, that he as "LORD", created and Made..... if you cannot understand this, just take the self test. "is not the ONE in John 1:3 WHO MADE ALL THINGS, is the same person WHO MADE ALL THINGS in Isaiah 44:24?" you make the call . read both verses carefully.

now you can rest. and try again.

101G.

Gods name-YHVH(Jehovah) belongs at every spot where-GOD or LORD all capitols is. Thus God inspired( Gods will)--YHVH(Jehovah) said to my Lord( Jesus),, proving Jesus is not YHVH(Jehovah),,The removal of Gods name by satans will was done to mislead as it is doing to you. Use a translation that supports Gods will on the matter of his name. Jesus would.

 

[101G]

Gods name-YHVH(Jehovah) belongs at every spot where-GOD or LORD all capitols is. Thus God inspired( Gods will)--YHVH(Jehovah) said to my Lord( Jesus),, proving Jesus is not YHVH(Jehovah),,The removal of Gods name by satans will was done to mislead as it is doing to you. Use a translation that supports Gods will on the matter of his name. Jesus would.

ok, let 101G ask you a question on this subject. "is the Person in John 1:3 WHO MADE ALL THINGS" is the same one person in ISAIAH 44:24 WHO MADE ALL THINGS", a yes or no will do.

101G.

 

[alan]

The definition of saviour is two-fold;
1. In common vernacular it is any person who rescues or liberates someone from some terrible fate or danger.
2.In Christianity, God or Jesus Christ as the redeemer of sin and saver of souls.

There are many OT scripts that prove GOD as the Saviour of the children of Israel and/or OT saints.
Isaiah 43: (please read)
Isaiah 63:
8 For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.
9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

Many, many times we see in our studies at the beginning of Abraham onward from Egypt, God saved or rescued his ppl of promise from captivity, and annihilation. (He was not at this time in the business of saving the whole world; that was future, in Christ ! Galatians 3:Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.)
Yet these continued to reject and rebel against him requiring the institution of the Mosuac Law to bring them under subjection.

For four thousand years & change, God dealt with them in their rebellion, then he proceeded to implement his complete plan for the whole of this world that was agreed upon before the foundations were lain.
1 Timothy 2:
4 Who will have ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth SALVATION hath appeared to ALL men,

Titus 3:
4 But after that the kindness and LOVE OF GOD our Savior toward man appeared,
5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE, but according to his MERCY he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our SAVIOUR ;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Ephesians 2:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT OF GOD:
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, SPECIALLY OF THOSE THAT BELIEVE.
( Btw, I am not a universalists, I stand against their hogwash ! TODAY is the DAY of our Salvation !)

It is those that BELIEVE on Jesus' d,b, & r and accept him as their Saviour that are saved!
I John 4:
12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, BECAUSE HE HATH GIVEN US OF HIS SPIRIT.
14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Acts 4:12 - Neither is there SALVATION in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Our wages are just bc we have sinned and rebelled against God in our sin of unbelief of his gift & his truth!
Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Jesus settled the wrath of God towards sin, in Christ Jesus his Son, to whosoever will BELIEVE ON HIM !.
1 John 2:2 - And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

We are to have compassion on one another and this lost dying world to present to them our Savior and to be a saviour of others by representing Jesus Christ, God in the flesh !
Jude 1:
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Let us not have inward fighting among the household of faith but let us rejoice that our names are written in the book of life. Let us search out sound doctrine in his truths and let's us share such in love, reasoning together that ALL might endure in righteous standing in our relationship with him !

I liked you post it is very informative.

 

[101G]

To all,
Let's get God name Right, meaning his Personal Name. YHWH, or YHVH(Jehovah) is not, 101G say again, is NOT God personal name. note. YHWH/YHVH is a verb. and verbs are not nouns. listen, I AM or
H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v. H1961 is a VERB....... Hello. verbs are not NOUNS
1. to exist.
2. to be or become.
3. to come into being, i.e. to happen, to occur (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary).
[a primitive root]
KJV: beacon, X altogether, be(-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-)self, require, X use.
Compare: H1933

I AM is a TITLE and NOT the Name of God, personally.

YHWH/YHVH is a man made rendering of "WHAT" God is in Titles, and NOT "WHO" God is in personal Name. understand the difference between, "WHAT" God is in name, (TITLE), VS WHO" God is in Name, (Personal).

101G.

 

[Keiw1]

ok, let 101G ask you a question on this subject. "is the Person in John 1:3 WHO MADE ALL THINGS" is the same one person in ISAIAH 44:24 WHO MADE ALL THINGS", a yes or no will do.

101G.

No a yes or no will not do. By myself= YHVH(Jehovah) is the only one with the power and wisdom to create. The one beside God( being sent to earth named Jesus as a mortal) = Gods master worker-He gives God 100% credit for creating at Prov 8. It worked like that with Moses as well. YHVH(Jehovah) by his power and wisdom alone parted the red sea.

 

[101G]

No a yes or no will not do. By myself= YHVH(Jehovah) is the only one with the power and wisdom to create. The one beside God( being sent to earth named Jesus as a mortal) = Gods master worker-He gives God 100% credit for creating at Prov 8. It worked like that with Moses as well. YHVH(Jehovah) by his power and wisdom alone parted the red sea.

you said, "No a yes or no will not do. By myself= YHVH(Jehovah) is the only one with the power and wisdom to create. " let's STOP right here. so, by your answer here, your YHVH(Jehovah) is the one who MADE ALL THINGS. which means the person in John 1:3 is your YHVH(Jehovah).
then you said, "The one beside God( being sent to earth named Jesus as a mortal) = Gods master worker-He gives God 100% credit for creating at Prov 8. It worked like that with Moses as well. YHVH(Jehovah) by his power and wisdom alone parted the red sea." well that's contradicting your first statement , because God said there is no one beside him, HE KNOW NOT ANY. supportive scripture. Isaiah 44:8 "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any." if God know no one beside himself, and he "BY HIMSELF" in Isaiah 44:24 made all things, that contradict your statement. and remember, he BY HIMSELF is "ALONE" as stated in Isaiah 44:24. and ALONE means "having no one else present" so that support God statement that he was "BY HIMSELF", per Isaiah 44:8.

so, my original question still stands. "is the person at John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 the same one person WHO MADE ALL THINGS". we suggest you read both scriptures again.

101G.

 

[Keiw1]

you said, "No a yes or no will not do. By myself= YHVH(Jehovah) is the only one with the power and wisdom to create. " let's STOP right here. so, by your answer here, your YHVH(Jehovah) is the one who MADE ALL THINGS. which means the person in John 1:3 is your YHVH(Jehovah).
then you said, "The one beside God( being sent to earth named Jesus as a mortal) = Gods master worker-He gives God 100% credit for creating at Prov 8. It worked like that with Moses as well. YHVH(Jehovah) by his power and wisdom alone parted the red sea." well that's contradicting your first statement , because God said there is no one beside him, HE KNOW NOT ANY. supportive scripture. Isaiah 44:8 "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any." if God know no one beside himself, and he "BY HIMSELF" in Isaiah 44:24 made all things, that contradict your statement. and remember, he BY HIMSELF is "ALONE" as stated in Isaiah 44:24. and ALONE means "having no one else present" so that support God statement that he was "BY HIMSELF", per Isaiah 44:8.

so, my original question still stands. "is the person at John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 the same one person WHO MADE ALL THINGS". we suggest you read both scriptures again.

101G.

I know what they say--You best believe Jesus-John 20:17--God does not have a God-that would make more than 1 God if God had a God.

 

[101G]

I know what they say--You best believe Jesus-John 20:17--God does not have a God-that would make more than 1 God if God had a God.

you still have not addressed the John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 question. "is this the same one person who made all things yes or no?

101G.