Perhaps the Scriptures I post that you can't speak to, do expose your jesus. But not the Jesus "of the Bible".
So long preacher.
Satan and his Lies
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Perhaps the Scriptures I post that you can't speak to, do expose your jesus. But not the Jesus "of the Bible".
So long preacher.
civic
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Jesus refutes your false teaching and exposes you as a false teacher below in
Matthew 4:1-11
End of discussion you make Gods word a lie and Jesus a liar.
And yet, when I post the Word's Jesus inspired James to write about "Every man" being tempted, you reject them as not pertaining to the man Jesus. Like HE placed burdens on others that HE Himself would not lift with even one of His Fingers.
I will not join you in your "subtle" judgements against Him
That is also popular teaching of this world. That Jesus overcame temptation using powers He and His Father withheld from EVERY other Human ever born, then gave Himself a Trophy for overcoming.
No much different than the popular preaching you promote of this same Christ, that HE forgot or simply refused to warn Eve, the weaker vessel, of the human devouring monster, the most deceitful creation HE ever created, that would deceive the entire world and bring pain, death and suffering to the masses for millennia, before HE sent her "Alone" into the wilderness with this monster.
And then, when she was devoured, deceived, destroyed, HE punished her further, and not only her, but her children, along with every man ever born for centuries and centuries, even to this very day.
Again, I will not join you in your judgments against Him. Truly the Holy Scriptures are True when they said "He is despised and rejected of men".
Wow,
"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
I always wonder how far a man will go to justify a religious philosophy. But saying this scripture made Him "Familiar" with temptation, that's a new one for me.
It's called "Putting on the Armor of God".
That is what the Flesh (satan) teaches. That Jesus can't be trusted because humans are simply incapable of becoming a "Doer" of His Sayings. I advocate that men stop listening to satan (their flesh), and stop walking in the lusts of their flesh (satan). And instead, place their trust in His teaching, not the "other voices" in the garden HE placed us in. It's called "Faith in God" in my understanding.
Not a very popular philosophy with the course of this world though, the spirit that works in the children of the Flesh (devil), who profess to know the Christ, but refuse to obey Him.
It's all there for us Mike, in the very Words that you said were "not worth detailed scrutiny".
To bad you have been convinced of this though, because they were Inspired by the Christ specifically for our "detailed scrutiny".
But I am not deferred because I have "put on these Words, and am prepared"
As it is written: "They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.
But there I go with those pesky Scriptures again.
Obadiah
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Jesus didn't fall for any of Satan's lies. Jesus was impossible to pigeonhole. He didn’t just march to the beat of a different drummer; he reinvented the drum.
He kept God’s law, but he challenged commonly held traditions like what you were allowed to do on the Sabbath Day. Worshipers in Jerusalem had grown comfortable with the money changers in the temple, but Jesus threw them out. His disciples were drawn to him, but they couldn’t quite figure him out. He fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies about the Messiah, but he didn’t always act the way his countrymen expected the Messiah to act. Some tried to brand him a rebel, yet they couldn’t find him guilty of a single sin. Some said he was in cahoots with the devil, but everywhere Jesus went, he overthrew the devil’s work.
Jesus told his disciples to be shrewd as serpents and harmless as doves
16 Behold, I am sending you out like sheep in the midst of wolves; be wary and wise as serpents, and be innocent (harmless, guileless, and without falsity) as doves.
Matthew 10:16
NOW THE serpent was more subtle and crafty than any living creature of the field which the Lord God had made. And he [Satan] said to the woman, Can it really be that God has said, You shall not eat from every tree of the garden?
Ge 3:1
He kept God’s law, but he challenged commonly held traditions like what you were allowed to do on the Sabbath Day. Worshipers in Jerusalem had grown comfortable with the money changers in the temple, but Jesus threw them out. His disciples were drawn to him, but they couldn’t quite figure him out. He fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies about the Messiah, but he didn’t always act the way his countrymen expected the Messiah to act. Some tried to brand him a rebel, yet they couldn’t find him guilty of a single sin. Some said he was in cahoots with the devil, but everywhere Jesus went, he overthrew the devil’s work.
Jesus told his disciples to be shrewd as serpents and harmless as doves
16 Behold, I am sending you out like sheep in the midst of wolves; be wary and wise as serpents, and be innocent (harmless, guileless, and without falsity) as doves.
Matthew 10:16
NOW THE serpent was more subtle and crafty than any living creature of the field which the Lord God had made. And he [Satan] said to the woman, Can it really be that God has said, You shall not eat from every tree of the garden?
Ge 3:1
I'm not sure what drives you to such misinterpretation of scripture and the identity of the creature known as Satan. It has not been convincing. Again your equating with Jesus solely in his humanity (and the limitations and sins of mankind) sounds like stuff unitarians say. The scriptures you quote therefore do not convince anyone to accept the beliefs you hold.
civic
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It’s bizarre
Azriel
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Right on! Jesus is the Man...The God Man. He is the answer to all lies coming from Satan.
Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
—Luke 10:19
Brother, there is a war going on. It's is a struggle between good and evil, light and darkness. This war is evident from the evil we see all around us. The way you respond to this spiritual war will determine whether you experience “life more abundantly,” as Jesus promised us, or “life more defeated.” You must remember, the devil is not interested in simply attacking your mind, emotions, or body; he desires to completely conquer your life. His game is to rob, kill and destroy. But thanks to Jesus we have the victory.
But we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.
I pray that God opens all our eyes to a new and wonderful reality—a reality where we walk in victory for the rest of our lives. Are you ready?
civic
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Says the false teacher who denies satan, the devil and that he not only tempted Jesus but challenged YHWH with Job below.
Job 1:6-12
One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.
7 The LORD said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” Satan answered the LORD, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”
8 Then the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”
9 “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied.
10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land.
11 But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”
12 The LORD said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.” Then Satan went out from the presence of the LORD
civic
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For the readers here are the biblical fact @Studyman denies
Concerning Satan, the Bible gives the following information:
• Satan is a personal being, with a mind, emotions, and a will (Job 1; Matthew 4:1–12).
• He is a created being and is not equal to God (Ezekiel 28:15).
• Satan does not rule hell. Hell was created as a punishment for Satan and his demons (Matthew 25:41). Neither does Satan live in hell, as the Bible describes how he can enter heaven and roam the earth (Job 1:6–7).
• The devil can only do what God allows (Job 1:12).
• Satan is not omnipresent. But he does oversee a horde of demons, called “the powers of this dark world and . . . the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms” (Ephesians 6:12). He uses this network to tempt and deceive people.
• He actively works to nullify the effect of the Word of God in people’s hearts (Matthew 13:3–4, 19), and he blinds the intellect of those who do not believe so they cannot understand the gospel (2 Corinthians 4:4).
The Bible describes how Christians should be mindful of the schemes of Satan: “Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour” (1 Peter 5:8). Believers must resist him soberly, vigilantly, and steadfastly, aware of the reality of his plans to tempt us to make us unfruitful for the Lord (2 Corinthians 2:11). When tempted, the believer should submit himself to the Lord and resist the devil, and Satan will flee (James 4:7).
In addition to being a tempter, Satan is also “the accuser of our brothers” (Revelation 12:10, ESV). He enjoys listing the many sins of believers, but the Lord Jesus, our Advocate, defeats the accusations because He has paid the price for our sins (1 John 2:1–2). Christians can be confident of their salvation because Jesus has done the work for us through His death and resurrection (Ephesians 2:8–9).
Satan is described as the “god of this age” (2 Corinthians 4:4) and has dominion over the world and its system (John 12:31; 1 John 5:19), but his authority will not last forever. During the tribulation, the devil will deceive the masses and raise up for himself the Antichrist, who will rule for seven years (Revelation 13:5–8). Since Satan has always wanted people to worship him as God, this will be a part of his deception as well, since many will worship Satan at that time (Revelation 13:4). He will also attempt to destroy the remnant of Israel but will not be successful (Revelation 12:13–16). At the end of the tribulation, Jesus will return, the Antichrist and false prophet will be thrown into the lake of fire, and Satan will be imprisoned for 1,000 years (Revelation 19:19–20; 20:1–3). After that time, Satan will be released and will lead one last rebellion (Revelation 20:7–9); then Satan will finally be thrown into the lake of fire, forever to be tormented for his rebellion and works of evil (Revelation 20:10). The dominion of Satan over the world may seem unassailable, but the devil cannot withstand the power of our Savior and Lord, Jesus Christ. Got?
hope this helps !!!
Concerning Satan, the Bible gives the following information:
• Satan is a personal being, with a mind, emotions, and a will (Job 1; Matthew 4:1–12).
• He is a created being and is not equal to God (Ezekiel 28:15).
• Satan does not rule hell. Hell was created as a punishment for Satan and his demons (Matthew 25:41). Neither does Satan live in hell, as the Bible describes how he can enter heaven and roam the earth (Job 1:6–7).
• The devil can only do what God allows (Job 1:12).
• Satan is not omnipresent. But he does oversee a horde of demons, called “the powers of this dark world and . . . the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms” (Ephesians 6:12). He uses this network to tempt and deceive people.
• He actively works to nullify the effect of the Word of God in people’s hearts (Matthew 13:3–4, 19), and he blinds the intellect of those who do not believe so they cannot understand the gospel (2 Corinthians 4:4).
The Bible describes how Christians should be mindful of the schemes of Satan: “Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour” (1 Peter 5:8). Believers must resist him soberly, vigilantly, and steadfastly, aware of the reality of his plans to tempt us to make us unfruitful for the Lord (2 Corinthians 2:11). When tempted, the believer should submit himself to the Lord and resist the devil, and Satan will flee (James 4:7).
In addition to being a tempter, Satan is also “the accuser of our brothers” (Revelation 12:10, ESV). He enjoys listing the many sins of believers, but the Lord Jesus, our Advocate, defeats the accusations because He has paid the price for our sins (1 John 2:1–2). Christians can be confident of their salvation because Jesus has done the work for us through His death and resurrection (Ephesians 2:8–9).
Satan is described as the “god of this age” (2 Corinthians 4:4) and has dominion over the world and its system (John 12:31; 1 John 5:19), but his authority will not last forever. During the tribulation, the devil will deceive the masses and raise up for himself the Antichrist, who will rule for seven years (Revelation 13:5–8). Since Satan has always wanted people to worship him as God, this will be a part of his deception as well, since many will worship Satan at that time (Revelation 13:4). He will also attempt to destroy the remnant of Israel but will not be successful (Revelation 12:13–16). At the end of the tribulation, Jesus will return, the Antichrist and false prophet will be thrown into the lake of fire, and Satan will be imprisoned for 1,000 years (Revelation 19:19–20; 20:1–3). After that time, Satan will be released and will lead one last rebellion (Revelation 20:7–9); then Satan will finally be thrown into the lake of fire, forever to be tormented for his rebellion and works of evil (Revelation 20:10). The dominion of Satan over the world may seem unassailable, but the devil cannot withstand the power of our Savior and Lord, Jesus Christ. Got?
hope this helps !!!
I don't believe Satan wants to be anonymous his ego is the big for that. But he is very cunning.
Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.
Temptation from Satan starts as impulses in the brain, evil impulses. Satan capitalizes on our weaknesses and our desires, mostly our hidden desires. Maybe he works on our subconscious as what is residing in our mental storage is put to work, all those conscious evil thoughts and imaginations. Perhaps Satan uses other methods to get the temptations moving.
The longer we fail to recognize these temptations as evil and demonic, the longer we take to do battle against them. Then, as James tells us, we are enticed, we are tricked about the good sensations of the temptation. We go on to conceive in our minds the actions to come, and then, even as Satan's plan goes, we sin. But James makes it absolutely clear that these are not from God, for God does not tempt a person to sin. This is the work of the tempter and his demonic agents.
Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.
1 Peter 5:8
Temptation from Satan starts as impulses in the brain, evil impulses. Satan capitalizes on our weaknesses and our desires, mostly our hidden desires. Maybe he works on our subconscious as what is residing in our mental storage is put to work, all those conscious evil thoughts and imaginations. Perhaps Satan uses other methods to get the temptations moving.
The longer we fail to recognize these temptations as evil and demonic, the longer we take to do battle against them. Then, as James tells us, we are enticed, we are tricked about the good sensations of the temptation. We go on to conceive in our minds the actions to come, and then, even as Satan's plan goes, we sin. But James makes it absolutely clear that these are not from God, for God does not tempt a person to sin. This is the work of the tempter and his demonic agents.
Fascinating how you can't seem to bring yourself to speak directly to ALL or Any Word that is actually written in Scriptures. It's Like your mind and thoughts are the gospel and the only thing "worthy" of mention, but you hide from any detailed scrutiny, or any scriptures which clearly bring into question the specific beliefs you hold and promote to others. All the while promoting a "jesus" who risked nothing for anyone, "because" HE had God powers HE Himself withheld from all other humans. Who overcame sin and temptation "because" HE had God powers HE Himself withheld from all other humans. That He only faked death, because HE had God powers HE Himself withheld from all other humans, and therefore "couldn't die". And then HE gave Himself a Name above all other humans, for overcoming sin and temptation with powers HE Himself withheld from all other humans.
Talk about "Bizarre". And yet that is you and Civics philosophy.
And in the same manner, you openly promote Him as a God who didn't really care for Eve at all. Who knew of the great danger and responsibility of a free will, and the dangers that would come from within, and therefore gave her Laws to help her rule over her own free will Flesh. But withheld from her any knowledge at all of a "talking snake" that you and Civic preach to the world is the most deceitful, powerful and dangerous creation on the entire planet, who deceived the entire world.
And your image of this Christ sent Eve, without any armor, without any warning, alone in a wilderness where HE must have known this deceiver existed, and when this perfect deceiver deceived her, He punished her with a very harsh punishment, but more than that, He punished her children, and me and my children, and every human born between me and her.
And then, when someone challenges this popular worldly religious philosophy by pointing out what the scriptures actually say, both you and Civic double down in your promotion of such a wicked judgment of Christ.
And all this comes from within your own Flesh, not from without through a talking snake, as the Scriptures have clearly shown.
That you can't "see" the wickedness and falsehood of this philosophy you have adopted and are promoting to others is astonishing to me. That you can't "see" that it is "YOU" who are the accuser of the Christ, painting Him in such a wicked light.
It is you that is the "man of Sin", the son of perdition, that has exalted yourself as God's Judge. It isn't a talking snakes fault that Eve rejected God's Word. She was "Free" to chose God or not choose God. So was Adam. Blaming someone else for your own wickedness in a product of your own flesh. When you accept this undeniable Biblical truth, perhaps maybe God will lift the delusion, "the devil made me do it".
But so far, you and Civic can't bring yourself to even honestly discuss these things.
civic
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How can things be discussed that you deny exist. You do not live in biblical reality but a reality created by your fallen world and biblical views which contradict the clear teaching in both text and to about a reality created supernatural being knows as the devil, satan, the god of this world etc….
Next fallacy
Bassnah
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@Studyman
No, don’t say that. Who are you, a mere human being, to argue with God? Should the thing that was created say to the one who created it, “Why have you made me like this?” Romans 9:20
God did care for and love Eve. God did warn them both.
Man and Woman in the Garden
…15Then the LORD God took the man and placed him in the Garden of Eden to cultivate and keep it. 16And the LORD God commanded him, “You may eat freely from every tree of the garden, 17but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”…Genesis 2:15-17
No, don’t say that. Who are you, a mere human being, to argue with God? Should the thing that was created say to the one who created it, “Why have you made me like this?” Romans 9:20
God did care for and love Eve. God did warn them both.
Man and Woman in the Garden
…15Then the LORD God took the man and placed him in the Garden of Eden to cultivate and keep it. 16And the LORD God commanded him, “You may eat freely from every tree of the garden, 17but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”…Genesis 2:15-17
No wonder you are so aggressive. You have a weird concept of what others believe.
I have not rated Satan's ability to influence the world or whether to be daily cautious of him. Even if we sin, whether of our own flesh or by Satan's temptation, we have forgiveness in Christ. I'm not sure what you believe except that you have an extreme focus on the flesh instead of the solution.
civic
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It’s weird for sure and it’s self righteous confidence in the flesh just like the self righteous Pharisees who also denied Christ in the exact same way he does.
The Parable of Job, describes God speaking to His Sons, including a son called satan, in this Parable.
Again, just as the Lord spoke to His son Adam, it asks the question of him, "Whence comest thou?", just as it asked His Son Adam, "Where art thou?".
Are you so blind that you can't consider the possibility that Almighty God was fully aware of where both "Sons of God" were? So why did He have it written for my admonition, "Where are you"? For me this requires study to discern and understand, which I am instructed to do, from the Word's of the Jesus "of the Bible", which is the reason for my posts.
For you it is a joke, unworthy of even a modest consideration and unworthy of even an honest discussion. You just blow it off as unworthy of even the slightest of curiosity.
Why must you relegate God as an imbecilic, incompetent God that loses it's sons? Uninterested in even considering the implications of your indifference.
Paul said it is: "Because that, when you knew God, you glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing yourself to be wise, (As evidenced by this very post) you became a fool, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image "made like to corruptible man", (A God doesn't even know where His sons are) and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
I don't believe God asked His sons the question He asked them, because HE didn't know where they were or where they have been. And have sought to understand why God had this written for me.
While you are so uninterested in His Teaching, that you don't even hear what HE said.
So what part of His sons did HE speak to? The part that obeyed Him, or the part that disobeyed Him?
The Christ, "of the bible" said the "Flesh (Heart) of man that HE created, "Is evil above all things and desperately wicked, who can even know how wicked".
You have said yourself that Eve was created "perfect and sinless". What does God actually say in Ez. 28?
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways "from the day that thou wast created", till iniquity was found in thee.
How can you preach to the world that this isn't speaking about the Flesh of Adam and Eve, or of any man, except Jesus?
What did the Flesh of Eve say?
"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."
What did the man in Ez. 28 say?
"Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
And yet, you are not even curious, rather, your mission here is to exalt yourself over me, and justify your specific religion.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Gal. 5: 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Name ONE Evil perpetrated in this world, that isn't the result of the wickedness of man. Just ONE Civic?
The point of Scriptures is that satan is only made manifest in the mind of man that walk in the Flesh. Satan didn't even exist in Scriptures, until after God created Adam and Eve. God warned Eve of the evil that comes from within, and gave HER a Law for the purpose of ruling over the Free will of her Flesh, a Law she lusted against from within. But HE didn't warn at all, about what you and Kenneth Copeland and "many" others who profess to know God, preach is the greatest danger of all.
I believe that because you have harkened to the wicked lusts of your flesh, like Eve did, that, as it is written "says still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they (Flesh of man, satan) say unto every one (As it did Eve) that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you. ( Ye shall not surely die)
You can't accept this because you lust in your flesh for a scapegoat, someone else to blame for your indifference and disrespect for God. Just as Adam and Eve did. "The Serpent beguiled me". But if you were honest, you would understand that it was Eves own choice to despise God's instruction, just as it is your own choice to make such wicked judgments against God and His Son.
Consider the hubris it takes to clearly see that God didn't accept Eve's justification for her wicked "works of the Flesh", but somehow you believe you are better than she is, and God will allow you to blame someone else for your own "works".
I just home other reading along, might consider "ALL THAT IS ACTUALLY WRITTEN" concerning the "deeds of men".
In the Bible, God's Kingdom is here, on earth, and HIS Temple is our mind, where the Alter, Blood of Christ, and Mercy Seat exist. Yes, evil is present in God's Kingdom for a time through the Flesh of man.
Job 106 doesn't make the rest of the bible void.
What???? You just said "Satan is a personal being, with a mind, emotions, and a will". Are you now saying that satan came, not to do his own will, but the will of Him who sent him?
Clearly you know not what you worship?
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Is this not the mind/heart of man, where the Temple of God exists?
Jer. 17: 9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
Gal. 5: 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Where is satan's kingdom, but in the Flesh of man.
Shall I destroy all the scriptures you must erase from your Bible, just to receive the praise of man? Why would I reject so much of God's Own Words concerning the evil from within that defiles a man?
@Studyman
I have never said that I our flesh is not an enemy of God; actually, I believe that more than you do, let me give you a prime example, not that you will hear, for your mind is closed to every voice other than your voice, even to the voice of the prophets, apostles of God, from the scriptures.
How many times have you and others heard me say, that our flesh is at enmity against God, from our birth, not just an enemy, which is bad enough, but is at war against, truth, righteousness and God! That's why I have said hundred's of time, that the new birth must occur before we can see, hear, believe, and repent, which you have many times over mock as though that is not so, since it is you, sir, which believes nd teach our flesh/hearts by nature can do spiritual acts pleasing to God without God first showing mercy to the sinner who is dead in trespasses and sins!. So do not accuse me of what you are guilty of doing when it serve your other false teaching about the new birth, That's very hypocritical on your part, which is to be expected when folks hold to false doctrines, while falsely accusing others of doing so.
You said: "Because God said the heart of man is deceitful above "ALL THINGS", and desperately wicked.:"
Again I do preach that, I just do preach that those thoughts and deeds from our wicked heart ARE "Satan/evil spirits" as you claim, and then deny and reject that the devil is a real fallen angel, and that there are no angels, spirits.
You said: "it's an invisible talking snake from "without" that is deceitful above all things.."
Why are you lying? Can you not carry on a debate/discussion without lying "Mr. Minster of Righteousness" ....as you call others? I have never said that we are tempted by a talking snake...Eve was, not me. Are you mocking Genesis 3 where that did happened, that you are desperately try to make it to be a parable? Whose the false prophet sir? You are being expose the more you talk.
Those things mentioned above, are the works of the devil, which works Christ came to destroy. By doing those wicked deeds we allow Satan a place in our life, whish we are commanded not to do. That doe snot equal that those deed of themselves IS Satan ,k which you are trying to make them. One of my first post on this subject, I explained the different bewtween the two, not going to do this again.
The different between them is this;
The natural man/carnal has the fallen image of Satan, since the devil took our first parents captive to be his servants, robbed them of God's image.. When a person is born again, he is created in the image of Jesus Christ and has fruits of the Spirit ruling him. His new nature is NOT literally Christ, but an image of Christ, the two are not one and the same, "likewise" sinners have a fallen nature that is after the devil their new master, their fallen nature is NOT the devil but his image. Not too difficult to understand.
Can you address others on this forum without always putting them in the same category as the many false prophets in Mystery Babylon ~ Jim Bakker does not believe as I do, not even close.
I have never said that I our flesh is not an enemy of God; actually, I believe that more than you do, let me give you a prime example, not that you will hear, for your mind is closed to every voice other than your voice, even to the voice of the prophets, apostles of God, from the scriptures.
How many times have you and others heard me say, that our flesh is at enmity against God, from our birth, not just an enemy, which is bad enough, but is at war against, truth, righteousness and God! That's why I have said hundred's of time, that the new birth must occur before we can see, hear, believe, and repent, which you have many times over mock as though that is not so, since it is you, sir, which believes nd teach our flesh/hearts by nature can do spiritual acts pleasing to God without God first showing mercy to the sinner who is dead in trespasses and sins!. So do not accuse me of what you are guilty of doing when it serve your other false teaching about the new birth, That's very hypocritical on your part, which is to be expected when folks hold to false doctrines, while falsely accusing others of doing so.
You never left what I believe, since you have never preached the doctrine of free grace through the faith and righteousness of the Son of God.
You said: "Because God said the heart of man is deceitful above "ALL THINGS", and desperately wicked.:"
Again I do preach that, I just do preach that those thoughts and deeds from our wicked heart ARE "Satan/evil spirits" as you claim, and then deny and reject that the devil is a real fallen angel, and that there are no angels, spirits.
You said: "it's an invisible talking snake from "without" that is deceitful above all things.."
Why are you lying? Can you not carry on a debate/discussion without lying "Mr. Minster of Righteousness" ....as you call others? I have never said that we are tempted by a talking snake...Eve was, not me. Are you mocking Genesis 3 where that did happened, that you are desperately try to make it to be a parable? Whose the false prophet sir? You are being expose the more you talk.
There are many things that defile a man, yes our evil, wicked hearts of the old man, that every single person has in them, that are living in the land of the living, including you. That does not eliminate. the devil as our enemy as well, and many other things that is in Mystery Babylon that the king of of Babylon uses to tempt us with. You are protecting your father, @ Studyman, without even knowing you are! Selah
Actually, I quote much of the word of God, often times. Christ quoted what he needed to say to prove his point, so do I. I try not to write a book every time I make a post, but folks like you make this work almost impossible to keep our post short. I have read the rules and know what it said about posting, and the length of them.
Those things mentioned above, are the works of the devil, which works Christ came to destroy. By doing those wicked deeds we allow Satan a place in our life, whish we are commanded not to do. That doe snot equal that those deed of themselves IS Satan ,k which you are trying to make them. One of my first post on this subject, I explained the different bewtween the two, not going to do this again.
I am doing what the Holy Spirit commanded me to do, per 1st John 4:1.
The different between them is this;
The natural man/carnal has the fallen image of Satan, since the devil took our first parents captive to be his servants, robbed them of God's image.. When a person is born again, he is created in the image of Jesus Christ and has fruits of the Spirit ruling him. His new nature is NOT literally Christ, but an image of Christ, the two are not one and the same, "likewise" sinners have a fallen nature that is after the devil their new master, their fallen nature is NOT the devil but his image. Not too difficult to understand.
I never can figure out you framework for interpreting the bible. Jesus never placed a burden on people that they should be tempted. Maybe someone else you know can tell us what you are talking about.
You still are not making sense and are stating something that has no relation to what I shared. However,Jesus being divine certainly did have strength we did not. This temptation by Satan was apparently Satan's attempt to divert Jesus from his obligations. He was not resisting temptation as an example to us how to do that. The main response however was to quote scripture against when Satan tried to distort scripture for an evil objective.
The scriptures to show who Satan is appears in my OP. I do not need to quote anymore unless some logical argument is made against the testimony of those scriptures
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The parable of Job ?
Folks you heard it first denying Gods word once again now in the historical book of Job.
