Satan and his Lies

mikesw

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I won't claim that Satan is behind all the misunderstandings of eschatology, but he influences many views and propagates lies. That is just my disclaimer as I introduce the actual topic.

Satan has greatly lied about who and what he is. As the basic identity of him, I note that he is basically like one of the beasts of the field (Gen 3:1). That is to note that he is a creature of the creation descriptions of Genesis 1 and 2. However, he is different too, not quite the cold-blooded serpent limited in lifespan that might be derived solely from Gen 3:1. Instead, he has had access to God and has been reasonably seen as a prosecutor who has been here to lead people into evil and to accuse them. His essence then is not purely physical but exists in a fashion that is unseen. However, he is not a fallen angel, as will be addressed.

His basic purpose is as a bottom feeder. He cleans up the debris which is anything susceptible or inclined to evil. Consequently, he attracted the woman in the garden to eat the forbidden fruit if she would comply. He tempted Jesus to disobey God if possible. In such efforts, he functionally is there to attract and expose evil, as a way to clean the earth of it. That is the same thing we see in Rev 20:7-9, where the nations are deceived and try to come against the Christians. He then likely was influencing the four empires of Daniel for following evil and being arrogant. I think also that the arrogance of the king of Assyria in Isaiah 10 basically describes the arrogance of Satan -- but more just due to similarity rather than Isaiah 10 being about Satan.
One lie to add to his influence is the claim to be Lucifer. This is super obvious since it is not a name in the Hebrew but rather is Latin wording in Isaiah 14. This further indicates that anyone following Lucifer is following a lie. Part of the lie is there is no Lucifer. The other is that anything they believe as Lucifer or of him is a lie since it really is the limited creature we know as Satan.

The additional lies derived from the misapplication of Isaiah 14 is that Satan had an angelic role around God. Isaiah 14 fully explains the king of Babylon in his pride and self-estimation. There is no reason to extend this to another creature. Albeit, there can be a similarity of the serpent in Gen 3:14 as being restricted to life on its belly with Isa 14:14-15 of the king seeing himself like the Most High but cast down to the pit.

We do have scriptural evidence of Satan influencing the governments. We see this deception of the nations from the Rev 20:7-9 text and indicating the type of deception in Rev 20:3. The deception is also mentioned in Rev 12:9. That deception is in the accusations against Christians as found in Rev 12:10.

I think the fall of Satan is basically uncoordinated in the views held my most people. Some see Rom 12:9 as the fall from heaven but Isa 14 would have been earlier if it applied. It would also be out of sync with Genesis 3:1, which, if Satan were an angel, would have seemed to be the fall as well, but long before Revelation events. Then Rom 16:20 showed a short period for Satan being crushed. Especially in Luk 10:18, Jesus mentions seeing Satan fall like lightning from heaven in response to the seventy who went to share news of Jesus and the kingdom. That appears to be Jesus expressing that this subjection of demons and the loss of Satan's power was to happen in this fashion even though that had not happened until later in the century.

In Rom 12:9, there is no mention of Satan as angel but only as the dragon. It may be a presence in the heavens without being an angel or this may be reflecting his influence on the earth without angelic status. It is interesting in Daniel that neither Gabriel nor Michael appear to confront Satan. It seems the main sense is not an actual presence in heaven but rather it is sort of the reach of influence of Satan over the nations in view within the scriptures. His angels then are those nations and people deceived against the Christians. Whatever the exact details are, much of what is in view is the power of Satan over the nations and, as in Rev 12, the conflict with the Christians.

We can add that Satan as the accuser brought fear of death to the people, as shared in Hebrews 2:14–15 (NKJV)
14Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,
15and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

There may be more ways that Satan has influenced the world and nations, but scripture has been focused on Christ, not Satan. People may even find more passages to consider, but this should be a good overview of what Satan was doing and what he can do in Rev 20:7-9. I hope this will help people have a better sense of balance than finding Satan as some sort of equal opposition to God.
 
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You give too much glory to "Satan" if your "Satan" is also "Lucifer."
According to Isaiah, Peter, and Jude, "Satan" one of the angels that sinned is locked up awaiting judgment.

Isaiah:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isaiah 14:14–15.

Peter:
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2 Peter 2:4.

Jude:
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jude vs. 6.

If the "angels that sinned" are 'locked up' awaiting judgment then who is Scripture identifying as "Satan" or the "devil"? If man has a sin nature - which he does - then what use is there of having an "angel that sinned" loose upon the world? And in some places in Scripture the words "Satan" and "devil" are written as adjectives. Is it good grammar to try to make adjectives into a noun or pronoun? But that is what Scripture does. Case in point:

70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.
John 6:70–71.

The word "devil" in this verse, according to Strong, is an adjective. The word is "διάβολος" (diabolos) which means "traducer." What is a "traducer"?
To traduce means to speak maliciously and falsely of someone, to slander, defame, or vilify their reputation.

Now, tell me, how can you change the adjective into a noun?
 
You give too much glory to "Satan" if your "Satan" is also "Lucifer."
According to Isaiah, Peter, and Jude, "Satan" one of the angels that sinned is locked up awaiting judgment.
If you think that Satan is an angel, you have failed to show that here. The problem I see is the timing is off for and the topics unrelated when people try to use verses that say Satan is a fallen angel. His purpose in creation instead is apparent and appears in the passages I shared.
 
If you think that Satan is an angel, you have failed to show that here. The problem I see is the timing is off for and the topics unrelated when people try to use verses that say Satan is a fallen angel. His purpose in creation instead is apparent and appears in the passages I shared.
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
 
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
true. But that verse can fail in at least two ways. That verse speaks of a capability of him rather than the essence. The other problem has still been the timing of various "fallen" passages people try to apply to him.

He has a specific purpose for God to create him. I think it is most apparent in Revelation 20:7-10 where he attracts the nations in deception to go against the Christians. This is a purging of those who would follow the deceit.
 
Satan is a defeated foe by the Lord Jesus Christ’s victory over him. We now, in Christ, wage a titanic spiritual war on two fronts. But do not fear or be discouraged. Jesus the Warrior Lamb who defeated sin is also our champion who has defeated Satan. The Devil is doomed, even if he won’t admit it!

Make sure to pray your armor on!

Heavenly Father,
Your warrior prepares for battle.

Today I claim victory over Satan by putting on
the whole armor of God!

I put on the Girdle of Truth!
May I stand firm in the truth of Your Word so
I will not be a victim of Satan's lies.

I put on the Breastplate of Righteousness!
May it guard my heart from evil so I will
remain pure and holy, protected under
the blood of Jesus Christ.

I put on the Shoes of Peace!
May I stand firm in the Good News of the
Gospel so Your peace will shine through me
and be a light to all I encounter.

I take the Shield of Faith!
May I be ready for Satan's fiery darts of
doubt, denial, and deceit so I will not be
vulnerable to spiritual defeat.

I put on the Helmet of Salvation!
May I keep my mind focused on You so Satan
will not have a stronghold on my thoughts.

I take the Sword of the Spirit!
May the two–edged sword of Your Word
be ready in my hands so I can expose
the tempting words of Satan.

By faith Your warrior has
put on the whole armor of God!

I am prepared to live this day in
spiritual victory! Amen.


 
true. But that verse can fail in at least two ways. That verse speaks of a capability of him rather than the essence. The other problem has still been the timing of various "fallen" passages people try to apply to him.

He has a specific purpose for God to create him. I think it is most apparent in Revelation 20:7-10 where he attracts the nations in deception to go against the Christians. This is a purging of those who would follow the deceit.
how can anything or anyone appear as an angel if they are not an angel ?
 
how can anything or anyone appear as an angel if they are not an angel ?
something more like a spirit possibly could. How many different types of creatures has God made?

Even if he is in the angelic class of beings, he has had this specific purpose. He also is compared to the beasts of the field -- which is one of the bigger influences about the type of creature of Satan.
 
If you think that Satan is an angel, you have failed to show that here. The problem I see is the timing is off for and the topics unrelated when people try to use verses that say Satan is a fallen angel. His purpose in creation instead is apparent and appears in the passages I shared.
Satan is characteristic. It means "adversary" and the word has been attributed to man at times.
Lucifer is one of the fallen angels God created. He is one of three angels named in Scripture.
The angels that sinned are all locked up awaiting judgment. (2 Peter. 2:4.)

They were locked up before God created man.
 
something more like a spirit possibly could. How many different types of creatures has God made?

Even if he is in the angelic class of beings, he has had this specific purpose. He also is compared to the beasts of the field -- which is one of the bigger influences about the type of creature of Satan.
there are only 2 kinds/categories of spirit- God and angels. There are no others.
 
there are only 2 kinds/categories of spirit- God and angels. There are no others.
That is kind of like saying there are two kinds of four-legged creatures: dogs and horses.

God has Cherubim and Seraphim which may be different from the category of angels. It sort of depends on how angels are defined or how spirits are defined. We see also there are unclean spirits whose origins I have not seen sufficient evidence regarding it. We do see those with the possessed man desiring not to be tormented before the time. (Matt 8:29)

If we are to exclude Satan as an angel for lack of evidence, then we go with the beasts of the field as the closest of his kind.

More important than the category of his created nature is the purpose of his creation. We ought not give him some more highly esteemed sense
 
That is kind of like saying there are two kinds of four-legged creatures: dogs and horses.

God has Cherubim and Seraphim which may be different from the category of angels. It sort of depends on how angels are defined or how spirits are defined. We see also there are unclean spirits whose origins I have not seen sufficient evidence regarding it. We do see those with the possessed man desiring not to be tormented before the time. (Matt 8:29)

If we are to exclude Satan as an angel for lack of evidence, then we go with the beasts of the field as the closest of his kind.

More important than the category of his created nature is the purpose of his creation. We ought not give him some more highly esteemed sense
They are still under the umbrella of created beings known as angels.
 
They are still under the umbrella of created beings known as angels.
The other thing that comes to mind is that Satan is thrown into the lake of fire with the beast and false prophet. This outcome is quite different from those we possibly find for angels
 
You give too much glory to "Satan" if your "Satan" is also "Lucifer."
According to Isaiah, Peter, and Jude, "Satan" one of the angels that sinned is locked up awaiting judgment.

Isaiah:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isaiah 14:14–15.

Peter:
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2 Peter 2:4.

Jude:
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jude vs. 6.

If the "angels that sinned" are 'locked up' awaiting judgment then who is Scripture identifying as "Satan" or the "devil"? If man has a sin nature - which he does - then what use is there of having an "angel that sinned" loose upon the world? And in some places in Scripture the words "Satan" and "devil" are written as adjectives. Is it good grammar to try to make adjectives into a noun or pronoun? But that is what Scripture does. Case in point:

70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.
John 6:70–71.

The word "devil" in this verse, according to Strong, is an adjective. The word is "διάβολος" (diabolos) which means "traducer." What is a "traducer"?
To traduce means to speak maliciously and falsely of someone, to slander, defame, or vilify their reputation.

Now, tell me, how can you change the adjective into a noun?
Are you sure? Beginning in Revelation 12:7, and going forward, the war in heaven that results in Satan being cast down to earth happens before the great tribulation begins. So as far as eschatology goes, and an important question, was the great tribulation in the past or is it a future event?

If the past, the end times are behind us. If the future, the devil is not currently locked up and still has access to heaven.

Are you a preterist by any chance?
 
I think the fall of Satan is basically uncoordinated in the views held my most people. Some see Rev 12:9 as the fall from heaven but Isa 14 would have been earlier if it applied. It would also be out of sync with Genesis 3:1, which, if Satan were an angel, would have seemed to be the fall as well, but long before Revelation events.

In Rev 12:9, there is no mention of Satan as angel but only as the dragon. It may be a presence in the heavens without being an angel or this may be reflecting his influence on the earth without angelic status. It is interesting in Daniel that neither Gabriel nor Michael appear to confront Satan. It seems the main sense is not an actual presence in heaven but rather it is sort of the reach of influence of Satan over the nations in view within the scriptures. His angels then are those nations and people deceived against the Christians. Whatever the exact details are, much of what is in view is the power of Satan over the nations and, as in Rev 12, the conflict with the Christians.
I hope people were able to recognize that the two highlighted references were Revelation not Romans. I have been focused on Romans for a such a long time that it is pretty automatic to use the three letters ROM even when it should be REV. Also, if I'm not careful, every New Testament letter is written by Paul instead of a variety of writers.
 
Are you sure? Beginning in Revelation 12:7, and going forward, the war in heaven that results in Satan being cast down to earth happens before the great tribulation begins. So as far as eschatology goes, and an important question, was the great tribulation in the past or is it a future event?

If the past, the end times are behind us. If the future, the devil is not currently locked up and still has access to heaven.

Are you a preterist by any chance?
The "casting down" occurred once. Since then, the angels that sinned have been locked up.
Stop giving glory to Satan.
In Luke Jesus said, "I saw Satan as lightning fall."

Peter said:

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2 Peter 2:4.

Either the angels that sinned are locked up awaiting judgment of Peter is lying under the anointing and power of the Holy Spirit.

It says, "reserved unto judgment." Revelation 12:7 is not the judgment.

You give glory to Satan. That's disgusting.
 
They are still under the umbrella of created beings known as angels.
Greetings, Civic …
God created Lucifer (Satan) an archangel, but because he had become evil, God sentenced him to death. In numerous biblical passages, such as 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4, which refers to the end times and names Satan as the one being discussed, Satan is referred to as the "son of perdition" or the "man of sin.” So who will it be that comes as the Antichrist? (it’s gettin’ close, by the way) The Antichrist will be none other than that ol’ devil, that ol’ dragon, that man of sin, that son of perdition—Satan. (yeah, Satan has many names).

2 Thessalonians 2:3 (NKJV) Let no one deceive you by any means; for [that Day will not come] unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

s e l a h
 
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Are you sure? Beginning in Revelation 12:7, and going forward, the war in heaven that results in Satan being cast down to earth happens before the great tribulation begins. So as far as eschatology goes, and an important question, was the great tribulation in the past or is it a future event?

If the past, the end times are behind us. If the future, the devil is not currently locked up and still has access to heaven.

Are you a preterist by any chance?
most calvinists are preterists or partial.
 
The "casting down" occurred once. Since then, the angels that sinned have been locked up.
Stop giving glory to Satan.
In Luke Jesus said, "I saw Satan as lightning fall."

Peter said:

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2 Peter 2:4.

Either the angels that sinned are locked up awaiting judgment of Peter is lying under the anointing and power of the Holy Spirit.

It says, "reserved unto judgment." Revelation 12:7 is not the judgment.

You give glory to Satan. That's disgusting.
You seem to be a preterist. Ok, just checking.
 
Greetings, Civic …
God created Lucifer (Satan) an archangel, but because he had become evil, God sentenced him to death. In numerous biblical passages, such as 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4, which refers to the end times and names Satan as the one being discussed, Satan is referred to as the "son of perdition" or the "man of sin.” So who will it be that comes as the Antichrist? (it’s gettin’ close, by the way) The Antichrist will be none other than that ol’ devil, that ol’ dragon, that man of sin, that son of perdition—Satan. (yeah, Satan has many names).

2 Thessalonians 2:3 (NKJV) Let no one deceive you by any means; for [that Day will not come] unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

s e l a h
There is no mention of Satan here or of him being equivalent to a man. We have one possible verse of Satan entering a man, as found with Judas. In that case it was probably that Judas would complete what already was in his heart. We have more of an improper alignment with Satan with Peter in his rejection of Jesus' explanation of what would happen in Jerusalem. In that case, Peter would be telling Jesus not to do what he was sent to do, not that Peter was even influenced by Satan.
It was closer but ambiguous in pointing out that the Pharisees were the offspring of Satan. They were influenced by Satan in their doctrines and practices, especially in opposing Jesus. This is not to reject that 2 Thes 2:3-4 could be a person possessed by Satan, but this is a rejection of the "man" being Satan.
 
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