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jeremiah1five
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If the answer is contained in those passages you cite then point it out to me because I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I mean, those passages I understand but in what way do you understand those passages with regard to my OP?
The Resurrection of Christ stripped death of its potency. Death no longer reigns supreme. A better question to ask is why hasn't God given us resurrected bodies already? Why must our Resurrection be pushed so far into the future? Why the wait?
In Christian theology, the Resurrection is part of a larger redemptive story that unfolds over time. Scripture presents history as moving toward a climax—what the Bible calls the "fullness of time." God is working out a plan that involves patience, mercy, and the gathering of all who will be saved.
While resurrection is the hope, this present life still has value. It’s a time of growth, choice, and transformation. We develop character, faith, love, and perseverance through our struggles—things that may be deeply meaningful in eternity. In that sense, this time isn’t a delay so much as a necessary phase of formation.
jeremiah1five
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In order to bring in the many, many sons and daughters of the Lord.
There is a book of life of the lamb that was "written" with the names of the millions and millions of souls to salvation according to the will of God.
All God is doing is following this "book" and stretching it out in the realm of time to make this happen.
Ah, so we agree.
Complete
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Hello @jeremiah1five,
Yes, we must still die in this life, regardless of the fact that we have believed God regarding the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ, received forgiveness of sins, and the promise of life in Christ Jesus. The reason for that, as far as I can see, is because, as it says in the verses I quoted from 1 Corinthians 15, 'Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God', ''For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
The difference being that death has now no power to retain us any longer, for we have the promise of life in Christ Jesus, and in God's estimation we are not 'dead' (as the unbelieving are at the death of the body) but are reckoned by God to be, 'asleep in Christ,' awaiting the resurrection out from among dead ones. Death for the believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, has lost it's sting, victory is ours in Christ Jesus.
Praise His Holy Name!
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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101G
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Correct. Christ paid that penalty for sin at the cross. again you're correct in that we sleep, for there are "TWO DEATHS". the first death is natural, or Physical death of the Natural or Physical ..... "BODY", for in the resurrection we will get NEW BODIES. the Soul sleeps or is inactive in this natural or creative world. and out spirits returns to God who gave it in the first place.
again, you're correct because we have victory in Christ Jesus, "OVER ETERNAL DEATH", which is eternal separation from God which is the second death. supportive scripture, Romans 6:8 "Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:" Romans 6:9 "Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him." Romans 6:10 "For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God." Romans 6:11 "Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:12 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof."
the whole chapter 6 of the book of Romans is a Good read for this post and this topic, as well of the whole book of Romans.
Good spot there complete, keep up the Good work.
101G.
jeremiah1five
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Death has not lost its "sting."
We are still stung by it at the end of our lives, a reality that shouts that death is the result of a wage we must pay when we die, a debt that Christ did not die for under the Law, for the wages of sin is death.
But is this correct?
Jesus Christ died to atone for the sins of God's elect, a people the Father gave to the Son.
And yet there appears to be one unatoned sin which kills us at the end of our lives.
And "who" has the "promise of life"? To whom was this promise made?
Complete
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'Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ
by the will of God,
according to the promise of life
which is in Christ Jesus,'
(2Tim 1:1)
'But of Him (God) are ye in Christ Jesus,
Who of God is made unto us
wisdom, and righteousness,
and sanctification, and redemption:
That, according as it is written,
He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.'
(1Co 1:30=31))
Hello @jeremish1five,
Your reasoning is way off beam. There is no unatoned sin.
'It is Finished!'
In Christ Jesus
Chris
by the will of God,
according to the promise of life
which is in Christ Jesus,'
(2Tim 1:1)
'But of Him (God) are ye in Christ Jesus,
Who of God is made unto us
wisdom, and righteousness,
and sanctification, and redemption:
That, according as it is written,
He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.'
(1Co 1:30=31))
Hello @jeremish1five,
Your reasoning is way off beam. There is no unatoned sin.
'It is Finished!'
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Complete
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'For from the top of the rocks I see him,
and from the hills I behold him:
lo, the people shall dwell alone,
and shall not be reckoned among the nations.'
(Num 23:9)
Hello @jeremiah1five,
Jews are always distinguished from Gentiles within scripture are they not? So why do you insist that Gentiles who convert in the New Testament must be Jews? Either by birth or by choice? Surely that differentiation that was deemed necessary by God in Numbers 23. should still apply within New Testament times, and also in this present day.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
and from the hills I behold him:
lo, the people shall dwell alone,
and shall not be reckoned among the nations.'
(Num 23:9)
Hello @jeremiah1five,
Jews are always distinguished from Gentiles within scripture are they not? So why do you insist that Gentiles who convert in the New Testament must be Jews? Either by birth or by choice? Surely that differentiation that was deemed necessary by God in Numbers 23. should still apply within New Testament times, and also in this present day.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
jeremiah1five
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The wages of sin is death.
We die at the end of our lives, through sickness, or accident, etc. Even if we are born-again and receive eternal life we still die. Death is the penalty for sin so what sin kills us and why wasn't it atoned by Jesus? We do still die and death is the penalty for sin. What's going on here?
