Responsibilities to God and His Christ

[jeremiah1five]

Acts 11:
1The apostles and the believers throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. 2So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers criticized him 3and said, “You went into the house of uncircumcised men and ate with them.”

4Starting from the beginning, Peter told them the whole story: 5“I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. 6I looked into it and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles and birds. 7Then I heard a voice telling me, ‘Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.’

8“I replied, ‘Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’

9“The voice spoke from heaven a second time, ‘Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.’ 10This happened three times, and then it was all pulled up to heaven again.

11“Right then three men who had been sent to me from Caesarea stopped at the house where I was staying. 12The Spirit told me to have no hesitation about going with them. These six brothers also went with me, and we entered the man’s house. 13He told us how he had seen an angel appear in his house and say, ‘Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. 14He will bring you a message through which you and all your household will be saved.’

15“As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. 16Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?”

18When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, even to Gentiles God has granted repentance that leads to life.”

Doug

The Jews looked down at Samaritans even saying they were not true Jew because their seed was mixed with non-Hebrews. This mix was the northern kingdom tribes, and Gentiles. Samaria was the capital of the northern kingdom before their exile by the Assyrians.
Later, the same happened to the southern kingdom tribes by the Babylonians. The Jews called the northern kingdom tribes mixed with Gentiles as Samaritan just as Jews called the mixed tribes of the southern kingdom as Gentiles because they were not "true" Jew.
But Jesus declared that as long as one was of the seed of Abraham no matter the dilution with other non-Hebrew races they were still heirs according to the promise. Jews called mixed-race Jews of the northern kingdom "Samaritan" the same attitude against the southern kingdom tribes mixed with non-Hebrews "Gentile."
And there is where you fall short in identifying the tribes.

 

[jeremiah1five]

If you would study in stead of being such a blatherskite you would know no one here adds to the Holy Words. Quoting explanations are not additions and mor then footnote in many translations are. Many need guidance... and you are chief among them.

You are still adding to the Bible.
Under the Law the animal sacrifices were to atone, albeit temporarily, the sins of the children of Israel. Adding Gentiles after this fact is adding to the Bible. You violate simple interpretation in order to violate the Word of God with your false theology.

Now, show me Scripture of the high priest offering sacrifices to atone for the sins of Gentiles.
If you can't provide chapter and verse, then your theology is chatter or worse.

 

[TibiasDad]

The Jews looked down at Samaritans even saying they were not true Jew because their seed was mixed with non-Hebrews. This mix was the northern kingdom tribes, and Gentiles. Samaria was the capital of the northern kingdom before their exile by the Assyrians.
Later, the same happened to the southern kingdom tribes by the Babylonians. The Jews called the northern kingdom tribes mixed with Gentiles as Samaritan just as Jews called the mixed tribes of the southern kingdom as Gentiles because they were not "true" Jew.
But Jesus declared that as long as one was of the seed of Abraham no matter the dilution with other non-Hebrew races they were still heirs according to the promise. Jews called mixed-race Jews of the northern kingdom "Samaritan" the same attitude against the southern kingdom tribes mixed with non-Hebrews "Gentile."
And there is where you fall short in identifying the tribes.

Uncircumcised…non Jewish. Not only mixed Jewish people, but through and through non Jewish people.

Doug

 

[FreeInChrist]

Blatherskite…learned a new word today. Thanks!

Doug

My Grandpap, when I was a tyke would spout that often and I always thought it was cussing until I learned..... LOL

 

[FreeInChrist]

You are still adding to the Bible.
Under the Law the animal sacrifices were to atone, albeit temporarily, the sins of the children of Israel. Adding Gentiles after this fact is adding to the Bible. You violate simple interpretation in order to violate the Word of God with your false theology.

Now, show me Scripture of the high priest offering sacrifices to atone for the sins of Gentiles.
If you can't provide chapter and verse, then your theology is chatter or worse.

I will show you what the bible does.... lest you accuse me wrongly again for what I do not do.

Foreigners Were Allowed to Participate in Atonement Offerings​

Leviticus 17:8


“Whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers which sojourn among you, that offereth a burnt offering or sacrifice…”

God explicitly includes “the strangers (foreigners)” living among Israel.
Their sacrifices were accepted under the same system.

This verse shows that Gentiles were allowed to bring sacrifices to the same altar.
If a Gentile could bring a sacrifice, then the priest had to offer it, which means the priest was offering sacrifices connected to Gentiles.

Leviticus 22:18

“Speak unto Aaron, and to his sons, and unto all the children of Israel, and unto the strangers in Israel, that will offer his

One law for Israel​

Numbers 15:14-16

“And if a stranger sojourn with you, or whosoever be among you in your generations, and will offer an offering made by fire… as ye do, so he shall do.
One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger…”

This passage destroys your claim that sacrifice was only for ethnic Israel.

But to not belabor this point....

Isaiah 56:6-7
“Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD…
Even them will I bring to my holy mountain…
for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.”

God never intended salvation to stop with Israel.

Jesus Himself quoted this in Mark 11:17.

Scripture already answers this.
Leviticus 16:29-30 says the Day of Atonement applied to “the stranger that sojourneth among you.”
Numbers 15:14-16 says a stranger could bring offerings and that “one ordinance shall be both for you and for the stranger.”
Leviticus 17:8 shows strangers bringing sacrifices to the altar.

If a stranger could bring sacrifices, the priest necessarily offered them.

So Scripture itself shows Gentiles were included in the sacrificial system. No one is adding to the Bible you simply overlooked what it says.

Your challenge ignores what the Law actually says.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Uncircumcised…non Jewish. Not only mixed Jewish people, but through and through non Jewish people.

Doug

As long as a person is of the seed of Abraham they are heirs according to [God's] Promises.
The LORD knows they that are His.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I will show you what the bible does.... lest you accuse me wrongly again for what I do not do.

Foreigners Were Allowed to Participate in Atonement Offerings​

Leviticus 17:8


“Whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers which sojourn among you, that offereth a burnt offering or sacrifice…”

God explicitly includes “the strangers (foreigners)” living among Israel.
Their sacrifices were accepted under the same system.

This verse shows that Gentiles were allowed to bring sacrifices to the same altar.
If a Gentile could bring a sacrifice, then the priest had to offer it, which means the priest was offering sacrifices connected to Gentiles.

Leviticus 22:18

“Speak unto Aaron, and to his sons, and unto all the children of Israel, and unto the strangers in Israel, that will offer his

One law for Israel​

Numbers 15:14-16

“And if a stranger sojourn with you, or whosoever be among you in your generations, and will offer an offering made by fire… as ye do, so he shall do.
One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger…”

This passage destroys your claim that sacrifice was only for ethnic Israel.

But to not belabor this point....

Isaiah 56:6-7
“Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD…
Even them will I bring to my holy mountain…
for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.”

God never intended salvation to stop with Israel.

Jesus Himself quoted this in Mark 11:17.

Scripture already answers this.
Leviticus 16:29-30 says the Day of Atonement applied to “the stranger that sojourneth among you.”
Numbers 15:14-16 says a stranger could bring offerings and that “one ordinance shall be both for you and for the stranger.”
Leviticus 17:8 shows strangers bringing sacrifices to the altar.

If a stranger could bring sacrifices, the priest necessarily offered them.

So Scripture itself shows Gentiles were included in the sacrificial system. No one is adding to the Bible you simply overlooked what it says.

Your challenge ignores what the Law actually says.

The "strangers" were the descendants of Ishmael and Esau. They lived in the land of Canaan and in other parts of the ME. God made no covenant with Gentiles. Thus, Gentiles are on the outside. and serve themselves, not Yahweh.

 

[TomL]

You are adding to the Bible.
There is nothing under the Law and under the Ceremonial Law that says the animal sacrifice was made for Gentiles.
The sacrifices were to atone the sins of the children of Israel under the Law. NOT Gentiles.
To add Gentiles after the fact is to add to the Bible things not there in the text.

Your argument is absurd. I quoted both the New and Old Testaments.

T

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Saturday at 2:50 AM

Show me the Scripture truth that the animal sacrifices made under the Law to temporarily atone the sins of the children of Israel for one year included non-Abrahamic peoples (Gentiles.)

Um, in case you forgot, Christ died for all the people of the world.

2 Cor 5:14–15 For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.
1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not...

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T

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Yesterday at 2:54 AM

You are adding to the Bible.
There is nothing under the Law and under the Ceremonial Law that says the animal sacrifice was made for Gentiles.
The sacrifices were to atone the sins of the children of Israel under the Law. NOT Gentiles.

Sorry, I quoted the Bible, and you ignore it, and that includes the Old Testament as well.

Ps 22:27–28 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord, And all the families of the nations will worship before You. For the kingdom is the Lord’s And He rules over the nations.
Ps 86:9 All nations whom You have made shall come...

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You do nothing but ignore both